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'Fire of Revival' Spreads in Europe as Thousands Pack Stadiums in Hungary and Italy

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Agreed. Just read in the news that Europe is starting to go far-right, just as America started to, over half a decade ago. This is bad stuff for the continent of Europe. :(
Let us ignore labels like far-right, what policies exactly do you think are bad stuff for the continent of Europe?

For the record, I did not vote, I did not find a party having the mixture I would like for my country in the context of the EU.
 
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Let us ignore labels like far-right, what policies exactly do you think are bad stuff for the continent of Europe?

For the record, I did not vote, I did not find a party having the mixture I would like for my country in the context of the EU.
Well, here is what the AfD has done: Germany's AfD: How right-wing is nationalist Alternative for Germany?

Alexander Gauland drew criticism for declaring that Germans should be "proud" of their soldiers in both world wars.

Sounds like racism, if you ask me.
 
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Its a bbc article. Do you have something from their program, as an example of what is bad for Europe or Germany?
What is wrong with the BBC? The only thing wrong with the BBC is the fact that the company partnered with Disney to destroy Doctor Who and turn it into a woke show in 2023 and 2024. The news side is a bit more balanced.

From Reuters:
In 2021, the [AfD] party decided to seek outright departure from the EU "by negotiation", Boehringer told Reuters, adding that so-called "Dexit" would look something like Brexit - years of discussion with Brussels until the process could be finalised.
It acknowledges, however, that this goal collides with the pro-EU attitudes of Germans: the latest Eurobarometer poll shows 68% of them have a positive perception of the EU - much higher than the 33% support it had in Britain just ahead of Brexit in 2020.

 
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What is wrong with the BBC? The only thing wrong with the BBC is the fact that the company partnered with Disney to destroy Doctor Who and turn it into a woke show in 2023 and 2024. The news side is a bit more balanced.
BBC is not the AfD official website. Its a British leftist far-liberal online opinionated news website, if we want to label things.
 
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BBC is not the AfD official website. Its a British leftist online opinionated news website.
I just added Reuters to it. For rulekeeping, I will not post any links directly to far-right (or far-left) organizations, to comply with forum SOP.
 
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I just added Reuters to it. For rulekeeping, I will not post any links directly to far-right (or far-left) organizations, to comply with forum SOP.
So you rely on the secondary sources and opinions of others, then. You do not need to post links, just give me an example what from their program is bad. I am not familiar with it.
 
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So you rely on the secondary sources and opinions of others, then. You do not need to post links, just give me an example what from their program is bad. I am not familiar with it.
Some of their stuff is okay, but then the AfD supports fracking, and banning Muslims. At least it acknowledges that some Muslims are good. Yes, immigration is getting out of hand, but the AfD is a little heavy handed.
 
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Well, I need to go to bed, but quickly searching their official program, I see things like Swiss-style referendums, the EU reform, stopping illegal immigration to Europe, to strengthen Europe and its diversity...

Their anti-islamic focus I see on their page can be seen as problematic, its probably not possible to discriminate against one specific religion in a democratic country.
 
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Some of their stuff is okay, but then the AfD supports fracking, and banning Muslims. At least it acknowledges that some Muslims are good. Yes, immigration is getting out of hand, but the AfD is a little heavy handed.
You can remove the link, if you wish, its not necessary.
 
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Well, I need to go to bed, but quickly searching their official program, I see things like Swiss-style referendums, the EU reform, stopping illegal immigration to Europe, to strengthen Europe and its diversity...

Their anti-islamic focus I see on their page can be seen as problematic, its probably not possible to discriminate against one specific religion in a democratic country.
And the leaders of the AfD downplay WW2 and the Holocaust. But hey, have a good night, stay away from the political extremes.
 
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They are actually quite specific (see dictionary definitions below). Unfortunately, many Christians on this forum (and elsewhere) tend to see (or want to see) atheism as a belief system - like a religion. They have difficulty in understanding that atheism is simply a lack of belief in gods - full stop. Atheist numbers tend to be small and fairly static,
Not quite as specific as we perhaps would like. These words are not nailed to the wall for ever. But I agree about the loose usage you refer to.
 
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And include admirers of the Third Reich.
Yeah. I have no idea why my brother Trophy33 would support such a racist party. I hope the AfD gets shut down, and the leaders go to jail. It is not 1944 anymore, it is 2024.
 
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BBC is not the AfD official website. Its a British leftist far-liberal online opinionated news website, if we want to label things.

You might think the BBC is a leftist far-liberal website, but the BBC is actually the British state broadcaster. It's positions are quite statist and monarchist, neither of which fits any traditional "leftist" position. The rest of your evaluation is just a diagnosis of your politics.
 
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You might think the BBC is a leftist far-liberal website, but the BBC is actually the British state broadcaster. It's positions are quite statist and monarchist, neither of which fits any traditional "leftist" position. The rest of your evaluation is just a diagnosis of your politics.
Hey, thanks for having my back. :) I used the BBC for a source sometimes.
 
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Yeah. I have no idea why my brother Trophy33 would support such a racist party. I hope the AfD gets shut down, and the leaders go to jail. It is not 1944 anymore, it is 2024.
I do not live in Germany. However, I manytimes noticed that people are just repeating media and pinpointing errors of individuals, without actually checking the official programs. I see this "dirty" tactics often, in politics, in media. Its always best to actually go to the primary source.

That was my only request here - to understand why it has so much support in Germany, in the context of their actual official program.

Voting is frequently not about some perfect adherence to a specific party or to people in it, but more about if there is a better alternative or not. I can imagine that if Germans do not see any other party offering solution to their serious daily problems, they are willing to tolerate some things (at least temporarily) they do not agree with, to get their priorities solved. Its similar to the US and Trump.

If more centrist/balanced parties want to get these voters back, they must stop ignoring their problems, in some cases even lying to them and come with better solutions than the parties they criticize. If they will not do that, the political market will create balance from opposing extremes.
 
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You might think the BBC is a leftist far-liberal website, but the BBC is actually the British state broadcaster. It's positions are quite statist and monarchist, neither of which fits any traditional "leftist" position. The rest of your evaluation is just a diagnosis of your politics.
The BBC ids not what most people would consider to be a state broadcaster. It has a Royal Charter, which makes it independent of the government of the day. It is financed entirely by an annual licence fee levied on all households with a television receiver.

The Royal Charter is the constitutional basis for the BBC. It sets out the BBC’s Object, Mission and Public Purposes. It must:

1. provide impartial news and information to help people understand and engage with the world around them​
2. support learning for people of all ages​
3. show the most creative, highest quality and distinctive output and services​
4. reflect, represent and serve the diverse communities of all of the United Kingdom’s nations and regions and, in doing so, support the creative economy across the United Kingdom​
5. reflect the United Kingdom, its culture and values to the world​

This last one is defined as follows:

The BBC should provide high-quality news coverage to international audiences, firmly based on British values of accuracy, impartiality, and fairness. Its international services should put the United Kingdom in a world context, aiding understanding of the United Kingdom as a whole, including its nations and regions where appropriate. It should ensure that it produces output and services which will be enjoyed by people in the United Kingdom and globally.

I hope this is useful.
 
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1. "More than a thousand" will not move the needle at all, its statistically insignificant, compared to the population of Europe. Its no revival. An average soccer match is being visited by tens of thousands people every weekend.

2. These bombastically marketed stadium evangelizations are overblown. The visitors return to the "world" in 90%+ in the first few years. If not, they have mostly already been Christians and just visited the action to see the show.

Football is practically a religion in Europe, at least it was when I lived in England.
 
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