Time frames that end on the day that Jesus Returns

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn, the 1185 day is a day on a timeline. It is not a time-frame. The 1335 days is the time-frame.

I realize that your objective in presenting the 30 day as right before the midpoint was to fit the 1290 days as completed the day that Jesus returns.

But if you to put the 1290 days as ending of the day of Jesus, that would result in the 1335 days extending 15 days past Jesus's return. Such that the 1335 day time frame would be the only time frame that extends beyond the 7 year 70th week.

It can be only speculated what calendar day of the year that the 7 year 70th week begins. So there is now way to project that the 1335 days are completed on some special Jewish holiday - such as Hanukah - beyond the end of the 7 year 70th week. If that is where you are headed.

The day that Jesus returns is the important prophesied event in the bible. If you go with what I say, that the 1290 days ends with the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, that leaves 45 days for the kings of the earth to gather their armies as Armageddon to prepare to make wan of Jesus. Which then in Revelation 19:21, Jesus destroys those armies the day He returns.




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Not quite so. Notice that the 1,290 days begins the time the daily sacrifice is taken away and then finally the temple is cleansed at the end.
This matches with the 2,300 days, (we both agreed on) that will also end with the Temple being cleansed. (Dan. 8: 14)

So, the end point is when the Temple is cleansed as God revealed to Daniel as one of His purposes. (Dan. 9: 24)

Would you like to check those details out, please?

 

[Douggg]

Not quite so. Notice that the 1,290 days begins the time the daily sacrifice is taken away and then finally the temple is cleansed at the end.
This matches with the 2,300 days, (we both agreed on) that will also end with the Temple being cleansed. (Dan. 8: 14)

So, the end point is when the Temple is cleansed as God revealed to Daniel as one of His purposes. (Dan. 9: 24)

Would you like to check those details out, please?

The temple complex will be made desolate from praise and worship of the One True God.

What will make the temple complex desolate is (1) the presence of the abomination of desolation statue image (incarnated by Satan making it appear to come to life and speak) (2) the beast-king (3) the false-prophet.

The temple complex will be cleansed of those three things the day that Jesus returns.

1. the beast-king and the false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire.

2. the statue image turned to ashes, that blow away, and Satan exposed and cast into the bottomless pit.

 

[Marilyn C]

The temple complex will be made desolate from praise and worship of the One True God.

What will make the temple complex desolate is (1) the presence of the abomination of desolation statue image (incarnated by Satan making it appear to come to life and speak) (2) the beast-king (3) the false-prophet.

The temple complex will be cleansed of those three things the day that Jesus returns.

1. the beast-king and the false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire.

2. the statue image turned to ashes, that blow away, and Satan exposed and cast into the bottomless pit.

Actually, the priests of Israel have to perform a ceremony to cleanse the Temple. And that will be after they have mourned for a month when Jesus reveals Himself to them

1,290 is from the time of the daily sacrifice taken away & A/D set up), till the temple cleansed. (Dan. 12: 11)

70th week is finished when the Most Holy is anointed. (Dan. 9: 24)

And that is when the 2,300 days is ended. (Dan. 8: 14)

They are all ending at the same time.

 

[Douggg]

Actually, the priests of Israel have to perform a ceremony to cleanse the Temple. And that will be after they have mourned for a month when Jesus reveals Himself to them

Jesus is the one who will cleanse the temple complex of the Abomination of Desolation statue image, Satan, the beast-king, and the false prophet.

No priests will be able to. The power of Daniel's people will be broken at the time the abomination of desolation is setup.

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

The "he" is that verse is the king back in Daniel 11:36, that will claim to be above every so-called god, and speak against the One True God.

1,290 is from the time of the daily sacrifice taken away & A/D set up), till the temple cleansed. (Dan. 12: 11)

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Nothing about cleansing in that verse.

Daniel 12:11 is actually open-ended as it does not say 1290 days to what. The what is the sign of the Son of Man appearing in heaven.

The closure of the abomination of desolation time frame is in Daniel 12:12 at the end of the 1335 days. The day that Jesus returns.

 

[Marilyn C]

Jesus is the one who will cleanse the temple complex of the Abomination of Desolation statue image, Satan, the beast-king, and the false prophet.

No priests will be able to. The power of Daniel's people will be broken at the time the abomination of desolation is setup.

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

The "he" is that verse is the king back in Daniel 11:36, that will claim to be above every so-called god, and speak against the One True God.



Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Nothing about cleansing in that verse.

Daniel 12:11 is actually open-ended as it does not say 1290 days to what. The what is the sign of the Son of Man appearing in heaven.

The closure of the abomination of desolation time frame is in Daniel 12:12 at the end of the 1335 days. The day that Jesus returns.

Dan. 12: 11 reveals that the A/D is only for 1,290 days. Then we know that the temple will be cleansed.

 

[keras]

Any attempt to make the period between the AoD, as per Daniel 9:27 and the glorious Return, more or less that 1260 days, is wrong and is false teaching.
Revelation 12:6, has the 'woman', who is the Christian peoples kept safe for 1260 days.
Revelation 11:3 The two Witnesses work for 1260 days.
These are exact time periods, and simply do not allow for an extra 30 or 75 days. Those extra days cannot be before , as the starting point is the Anti-Christ sitting in the Temple, 2 Thess 2:4

They come AFTER Jesus Returns and they fit perfectly with the fulfilment of the fall Feasts.

 

[Douggg]

@Marilyn C and @keras

On what day of the 2520 day seven years...

1. Does the sixth seal event take place ?
2. Does the sign of the Son of Man appears in heaven ?

 

[keras]

@Marilyn C and @keras

On what day of the 2520 day seven years...

1. Does the sixth seal event take place ?
2. Does the sign of the Son of Man appears in heaven ?

The Sixth Seal is the next Prophesied event, some years before the final 7 years of this age.
Proved by how the 7th Seal comes immediately after that worldwide disaster, the time of about 20 years from the SS to the glorious Return.

The sign of the Son of Man, Matthew 24:30, is the glorious Return of Jesus, as that verse plainly says. Matched by Revelation 19:11-16
On day 2520, exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated.

Attempting to shoehorn the extra days of Daniel 12, within the 7 years, simply doesn't fit.

 

[Douggg]

The Sixth Seal is the next Prophesied event, some years before the final 7 years of this age.

Revelation 6:
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Matthew 24:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

keras, Matthew 24:29 indicates the sixth seal event is at the very end of the great tribulation - not before the 7 years begin.

The sign of the Son of Man, Matthew 24:30, is the glorious Return of Jesus, as that verse plainly says. Matched by Revelation 19:11-16
On day 2520, exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated.

In the sixth seal event, why do the inhabiters of the earth say....."hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:" ?

 

[keras]

keras, Matthew 24:29 indicates the sixth seal event is at the very end of the great tribulation - not before the 7 years begin.

Others here have this wrong idea, proved wrong by the fact of the moon shining bright red at the SS and giving no light at the Return.
That false idea also means you have shuffled the given sequence of Revelation. Not good for you.

In the sixth seal event, why do the inhabiters of the earth say....."hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:" ?

In the same way as godless people use profanity now. They will just curse and swear as they see disaster approaching.

 

[Douggg]

Others here have this wrong idea, proved wrong by the fact of the moon shining bright red at the SS and giving no light at the Return.

How many times are you going to have the stars fall from heaven ?

Others here have this wrong idea, proved wrong by the fact of the moon shining bright red at the SS and giving no light at the Return.
That false idea also means you have shuffled the given sequence of Revelation. Not good for you.

In the same way as godless people use profanity now. They will just curse and swear as they see disaster approaching.

No one says what is in that particular verse because of an approaching disaster. It is not a common thing said. It is unique to that event.

Who is the Lamb being referred to in that verse ?

"hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:" ?

 

[keras]

How many times are you going to have the stars fall from heaven ?

Meteorites and space debris fall on the earth all the time.
But Revelation 6:13 refers to our many satellites. They will be pushed out of orbit by the massive pressure wave of a Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude.

No one says what is in that particular verse because of an approaching disaster. It is not a common thing said. It is unique to that event.

Who is the Lamb being referred to in that verse ?

"hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:" ?

Those sayings are purely examples of the thinking of the godless peoples as this Mass approaches. Basically: they will curse God, as their doom strikes. Jeremiah 25:33

I don't answer stupid or provoking questions.

 

[Douggg]

Those sayings are purely examples of the thinking of the godless peoples as this Mass approaches. Basically: they will curse God, as their doom strikes. Jeremiah 25:33

I don't answer stupid or provoking questions.

But they are saying...

"hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

So they have to be seeing a throne, and also some person who is the Lamb. Who do you think that Lamb is ? Who is the Lamb of God ?

 

[keras]

But they are saying...

"hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

So they have to be seeing a throne, and also some person who is the Lamb. Who do you think that Lamb is ? Who is the Lamb of God ?

You are typically deceived and confused, thinking some things are literal and others as metaphorical, when the opposite is true.

Has everyone learnt to quote Rev 6:16b? Tell me how many , of the millions of the godless peoples; will say those exact words.
Jesus will be the One who break the nations with His rod of iron and shatter them like a clay pot. Psalms 2:9

All that everyone will see on the terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, will be the approaching mass of superheated Hydrogen Plasma, that will take 24 hours to arrive to the earth; after the initial flash of a massive explosion on the sun, that will destroy every electrical system.
Alse causing tectonic plates to shift and a pole reversal.

Ezekiel 7:16-19 is a good Bible Prophecy of what people will do on that terrible Day .
Verse 17 says : their knees will be weak as water, but the original Words mean - they will wet their pants with fright.

 

[Douggg]

Has everyone learnt to quote Rev 6:16b? Tell me how many , of the millions of the godless peoples; will say those exact words.

I don't know that exact number. But the reason for them saying...

"hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

...but what they will see Jesus sickle in hand, before the throne of God. The sign of the Son of Man in heaven.

All that everyone will see on the terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, will be the approaching mass of superheated Hydrogen Plasma, that will take 24 hours to arrive to the earth; after the initial flash of a massive explosion on the sun, that will destroy every electrical system.

Which does not match the event of the sixth seal - which the inhabiters of the earth, specifically the wicked, will say...

"hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

 

[keras]

"hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

...but what they will see Jesus sickle in hand, before the throne of God. The sign of the Son of Man in heaven.

You simply fail to see the several Prophesies that make it clear the Lord will not be seen on His Day of wrath Psalms 18:11, Hab 3:4, Jeremiah 25:30, +

Which does not match the event of the sixth seal - which the inhabiters of the earth, specifically the wicked, will say...

"hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

You seem to have no compunctions about shifting the Words of Revelation around and adding to them, suit your private interpretations.
Something you may bitterly regret.

 

[Marilyn C]

@Marilyn C and @keras

On what day of the 2520 day seven years...

1. Does the sixth seal event take place ?
2. Does the sign of the Son of Man appears in heaven ?

Good question there Douggg.

1. The 6th seal is the great earthquake with sun and moon darkened and all mankind trying to hide themselves from the wrath of God. The prophet Joel gives us more detail -

`Let the nations be wakened, and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; for there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations. Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come. go down; for the winepress is full, the vats overflow - for their wickedness is great.

Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the Day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. The sun and moon will grow dark, and the stars will diminish their brightness. The LORD also will roar from Zion, and utter His voice from Jerusalem; the heavens and the earth will shake; but the LORD will be a shelter for His people, and the strength of Israel.` (Joel 3: 12 - 16)

Thus the 6 seal is just before the Lord returns to earth to judge the nations and deliver Israel. That will be on the month before the 70 th week as the trib. is shortened. (Matt. 24: 22)

2.The sign of the Son of Man.

`Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven and the powers of the heaven will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Matt. 24: 29 & 30)

The sign is the great light emanating from the Lord, His great glory in the heavens and coming towards the earth.

`Thus the LORD my God will come, and all the Holy ones with You. It shall come to pass in that day that there will be no night; the lights will diminish. It shall be one day which is known to the LORD - neither day nor night. But at evening time it shall happen that it will be light.` (Zech. 14: 5 - 7)

 

[Douggg]

Thus the 6 seal is just before the Lord returns to earth to judge the nations and deliver Israel. That will be on the month before the 70 th week as the trib. is shortened. (Matt. 24: 22)

The 70th week is not all tribulation. For much of the first part of the 70th week, the world will be saying peace and safety thinking it has entered the messianic age.

The great tribulation is not shortened in terms of changing the 1290 days and 1335 days of Daniel 12:11-12, but shortened from all life on earth being wiped out.

Jesus is the Lamb in Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

The sixth seal event will be on day 2475 of the 2520 day 7 years.

 

[keras]

Thus the 6 seal is just before the Lord returns to earth to judge the nations and deliver Israel. That will be on the month before the 70 th week as the trib. is shortened. (Matt. 24: 22)

The sixth seal event will be on day 2475 of the 2520 day 7 years.

Two Christians who read the Bibe and study Prophecy, but who feel free to mess around with the given sequence of Revelation.
It is really obvious to anyone, that the seals on a scroll must be removed before the scroll can be read or actioned.

Does anyone think the Anti-Christ person will rise to power without some kind of dramatic event, which will make the nations cede sovereignty to a One World Govt? That we are told; will soon be taken over by one powerful man?

 

[Marilyn C]

The 70th week is not all tribulation. For much of the first part of the 70th week, the world will be saying peace and safety thinking it has entered the messianic age.

The great tribulation is not shortened in terms of changing the 1290 days and 1335 days of Daniel 12:11-12, but shortened from all life on earth being wiped out.

Jesus is the Lamb in Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

The sixth seal event will be on day 2475 of the 2520 day 7 years.


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I find it difficult to accept your numbers - 1185 & 2475 when God has given us the exact numbers.