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[RileyG]

I am finding that the left just does not wish to say transgenders are delusional if they really believe they are the opposite sex. It may be just because they want to be polite.

But let's say that's true, that they know, but don't want to say.

I wonder what they are really afraid of if they admit it? What's the downside of admitting that? How does that change anything? Will that change that:
1. Trans people should be referred to with the pronouns they desire?
2. Trans people should be allowed into the bathrooms they want?
3. Transpeople should be allowed into the locker rooms they want?
4. Trans people should be allowed into women's sports?

According to the left, so-called “trans women” (biological males) are “real women,” so they can do everything a biological woman can do, except:

Menstruate, have female breasts, have ovaries, have a uterus, have Fallopian tubes, be able to conceive and carry a child, not have a prominent Adam’s apple,

Just not basic biological woman’s functions, apparently.

 

[RileyG]

What's so bad about a tranas person being mentally ill?

Mental illness comes in all kinds of shapes. And they all deserve to be treated for it.

Is rhe real argument here rhat they aren't mentally ill?

Or is rhe real argument that they are, but we have a disagreement on how they should be treated?

I have clinical depression, a panic disorder, an anxiety disorder, mood disorder, and alcohol use disorder.

I’ve been in psych wards and have been hospitalized because of my mental health on more than one occasion.

I, for all intents and purposes, am mentally ill.

I’m not ashamed or embarrassed.

 

[BCP1928]

I believe you said it mire than once that you definition of woman is different than mine.

Let's just say that in certain contexts I expand my usage to include trans woman as well as biological women.

That's a statement that clearly implies that we all can have a different definition of woman and it's valid. When you give the power to define a word in a language to individuals and they can define it anyway they want you have just made the word meaningless.

No, we can't all have a different one. A definition is only valid if people use it to communicate.

A woman is an adult human female. Science has defined what a male and female is based upon biological and provable objective realities.

And in a scientific context, that is the definition you use. It does not preclude other definitions in other contexts and in fact such multiple usages are quite common.
Take the word "theory" for instance. In science, a theory is a well-evidenced proposition. In popular speech it generally means a conjecture or a speculation. If I look out the window and say, "I have a theory that it will rain tonight" nobody concludes that I am claiming to have conducted research with meteorological instruments, I'm just speculating. In a laboratory, I'd better have evidence if I say I have a theory.

Which defies the wild assertion that you can define woman any way you want to and it's just as valid as how any one else wants to define woman.

As I've said, definitions must be shared for words to be communicative.

Can you define cat anyway you want and it's a valid definition? Can everyone define it any way they want and it's valid?

Sure, but you might not be able to communicate with anybody about it unless they know your definitions.

What about human?
Or perhaps five?

The question still remains on the table fir you to answer. What IS a woman?
I believe you answered this with a biological answer but then tossed in something about what someone wants to be identified as in the workplace and in the social area. But what IS that thing they want to be seen as?

Ask them. I don't mean listen to trans activists or right-wing polemicists. I don't think rando media of any kind will give you the answer. You won't really have a dog in this fight until there are trans people around you, at work or at school and you have to start worrying about pronouns. Get to know a trans work or school colleague as a person, eventually they'll open up and tell you what they feel. It's easy.

 

[RileyG]

Let's just say that in certain contexts I expand my usage to include trans woman as well as biological women.

No, we can't all have a different one. A definition is only valid if people use it to communicate.

And in a scientific context, that is the definition you use. It does not preclude other definitions in other contexts and in fact such multiple usages are quite common.
Take the word "theory" for instance. In science, a theory is a well-evidenced proposition. In popular speech it generally means a conjecture or a speculation. If I look out the window and say, "I have a theory that it will rain tonight" nobody concludes that I am claiming to have conducted research with meteorological instruments, I'm just speculating. In a laboratory, I'd better have evidence if I say I have a theory.

As I've said, definitions must be shared for words to be communicative.
Can you define cat anyway you want and it's a valid definition? Can everyone define it any way they want and it's valid?
Sure, but you might not be able to communicate with anybody about it unless they know your definitions.

Ask them. I don't mean listen to trans activists or right-wing polemicists. I don't think rando media of any kind will give you the answer. You won't really have a dog in this fight until there are trans people around you, at work or at school and you have to start worrying about pronouns. Get to know a trans work or school colleague as a person, eventually they'll open up and tell you what they feel. It's easy.

A woman is an adult female human. It’s been that way since time immemorial, until the trans activist demand we accept their delusion.

Even if I knew a trans person, which I do, it doesn’t change the fact they are truly their own biological sex, and any claim they are the other gender is just a delusion, fantasy, or fetish.

No. A biological man has no idea what it’s like to be a woman. If he says he’s a woman, then he’s a liar.

 

[rjs330]

According to the left, so-called “trans women” (biological males) are “real women,” so they can do everything a biological woman can do, except:

Menstruate, have female breasts, have ovaries, have a uterus, have Fallopian tubes, be able to conceive and carry a child, not have a prominent Adam’s apple,

Just not basic biological woman’s functions, apparently.

But what is the downside of admitting the problem? Why is that so bad?

 

[RileyG]

But what is the downside of admitting the problem? Why is that so bad?

I think 99.999% involved in the LGBT “community” know what they are doing is inherently wrong. Which is why they get so angry when others don’t approve of their choices.

It’s their own guilty conscience that is bothering them.

They made their own hell.

They choose to create hell for others who don’t accept their hypocritical views.

 

[BCP1928]

I think 99.999% involved in the LGBT “community” know what they are doing is inherently wrong. Which is why they get so angry when others don’t approve of their choices.

It’s their own guilty conscience that is bothering them.

They made their own hell.

They choose to create hell for others who don’t accept their hypocritical views.

On whose authority is it inherently wrong?

 

[RileyG]

On whose authority is it inherently wrong?

Their own conscience. They know it’s wrong. They’re just too prideful (pardon the pun) to actually admit it to themselves.

 

[BCP1928]

Their own conscience. They know it’s wrong. They’re just too prideful (pardon the pun) to actually admit it to themselves.

Now they have guilty consciences? You certainly seem to know quite a bit about people you have never met.

 

[rjs330]

Let's just say that in certain contexts I expand my usage to include trans woman as well as biological women.

Your usage depends on your definition.

No, we can't all have a different one. A definition is only valid if people use it to communicate.

You distinctly said your definition cam be different than mine. So we can't really communicate if all definitions are different. And if yours I'd different than mine we can't communicate.

And in a scientific context, that is the definition you use. It does not preclude other definitions in other contexts and in fact such multiple usages are quite common.

You are referring to usage not definition.
Some words have definitions that are set in objective reality. Like woman. Can you use it when referencing a man or a male child? If you want to I suppose. But if you do you have just lost the meaning and made rhe word meaningless.

As I've said, definitions must be shared for words to be communicative.

Can you define cat anyway you want and it's a valid definition? Can everyone define it any way they want and it's valid?

Sure, but you might not be able to communicate with anybody about it unless they know your definitions.

Yeah anyone can define any word any way they want. There is nothing to prevent it. As you say communication requires definitions that we all understand for communication. Can I use rhe word woman when referring to a male child? Yes I could. Would we be communication and understanding
what we are talking about? No.

If I asked you to buy me an apple you would know exactly what I meant. You wouldn't go to the store and buy me a gallon of milk, or a loaf of bread or a grape. But somehow if I asked you to find a woman, you wouldn't have any idea what to find. Might be a biological woman or I. Might me a trans woman or it might be a man who says he's a woman. You have lost rhe meaning of woman.

Ask them. I don't mean listen to trans activists or right-wing polemicists. I don't think rando media of any kind will give you the answer. You won't really have a dog in this fight until there are trans people around you, at work or at school and you have to start worrying about pronouns. Get to know a trans work or school colleague as a person, eventually they'll open up and tell you what they feel. It's easy.

Im not going to let you dodge that. When you say to ask them, then you just have done what I claimed you have done. Made word based upon am individuals personal definition. Asking means I don't really know what the definition is. In otherworld there is no definition except what each individual defines.for themselves. You've made rhe word meaningless.

The word cat is not meaningless. If everyone in my town has a different meaning for cat, then it's meaningless.

But car does have a meaning doesn't it. When I use rhe word cat you know what I am talking about. You know what a cat is. If I said my neighbor has a cat named whiskers, would.you ask me what a cat is?
What kind of nonsense would be for me.to.say I dint know what a cat is, you'll have to ask my neighbor what his definition of cat is.

 

[RileyG]

Now they have guilty consciences? You certainly seem to know quite a bit about people you have never met.

Why would they be so angry? They know it’s wrong.

Trans people get angry when people “misgender” them because they know they truly aren’t the opposite gender and their fantasy isn’t real.

If a biological woman is called sir, she’ll laugh it off.

If a “trans woman” is called sir, he’ll get angry because he can’t accept reality.

Simple.

 

[BCP1928]

Your usage depends on your definition.
You distinctly said your definition cam be different than mine. So we can't really communicate if all definitions are different. And if yours I'd different than mine we can't communicate.
You are referring to usage not definition.
Some words have definitions that are set in objective reality. Like woman. Can you use it when referencing a man or a male child? If you want to I suppose. But if you do you have just lost the meaning and made rhe word meaningless.

Yeah anyone can define any word any way they want. There is nothing to prevent it. As you say communication requires definitions that we all understand for communication. Can I use rhe word woman when referring to a male child? Yes I could. Would we be communication and understanding
what we are talking about? No.

We would if everybody agreed that in certain limited contexts the word "woman" could sometimes mean male child.

If I asked you to buy me an apple you would know exactly what I meant.

You would have to tell me what kind of apple you wanted. "apple" can mean many different things, depending on the context. You might have wanted the apple of your eye.

You wouldn't go to the store and buy me a gallon of milk, or a loaf of bread or a grape. But somehow if I asked you to find a woman, you wouldn't have any idea what to find. Might be a biological woman or I. Might me a trans woman or it might be a man who says he's a woman. You have lost rhe meaning of woman.

Again, you might have to specify what kind of woman you wanted . But we're only talking about the pronouns we use in the workplace for a specific individual at the insistence of the boss. What kind of woman (biological, trans, straight, pretending, whatever.) is not a determination you have to make in that context.

Im not going to let you dodge that. When you say to ask them, then you just have done what I claimed you have done. Made word based upon am individuals personal definition. Asking means I don't really know what the definition is. In otherworld there is no definition except what each individual defines.for themselves. You've made rhe word meaningless.

The word cat is not meaningless. If everyone in my town has a different meaning for cat, then it's meaningless.

But car does have a meaning doesn't it. When I use rhe word cat you know what I am talking about. You know what a cat is. If I said my neighbor has a cat named whiskers, would.you ask me what a cat is?

I drove a cat once. It was big and yellow and made clanking sounds when it moved.

What kind of nonsense would be for me.to.say I dint know what a cat is, you'll have to ask my neighbor what his definition of cat is.

The question was not about definitions, but about how they feel about being trans.

 

[BCP1928]

Why would they be so angry? They know it’s wrong.

Trans people get angry when people “misgender” them because they know they truly aren’t the opposite gender and their fantasy isn’t real.

Maybe they're just tired of being hassled about it.

If a biological woman is called sir, she’ll laugh it off.

If a “trans woman” is called sir, he’ll get angry because he can’t accept reality.

Simple.

How many trans women have you personally had that experience with?

 

[RileyG]

Women literally never means male child. A woman is an adult human female. A male child is a young boy, not yet a man.

Good grief.

 

[RileyG]

Maybe they're just tired of being hassled about it.

How many trans women have you personally had that experience with?

#1. They’re obviously their biological sex. They shouldn’t be a angry with others, but accept the fact they are truly men and NOT women.

#2. You mean men PRETENDING to be women? At least four.

 

[BCP1928]

Women literally never means male child. A woman is an adult human female. A male child is a young boy, not yet a man.

Good grief.

We were discussing how word definitions are formed, and how they might change. No ontological statements were being made.

 

[BCP1928]

#1. They’re obviously their biological sex. They shouldn’t be a angry with others, but accept the fact they are truly men and NOT women.

#2. You mean men PRETENDING to be women? At least four.

You've managed to anger at least four trans women just by using a male pronoun? That may be some kind of a record.

 

[RileyG]

You've managed to anger at least four trans women just by using a male pronoun? That may be some kind of a record.

No. I haven’t had any contact with them for a very long time.

And, they’re men.

 

[RileyG]

We were discussing how word definitions are formed, and how they might change. No ontological statements were being made.

Fair enough. I don’t know how that particular change would occur, but ok.

 

[BCP1928]

Fair enough. I don’t know how that particular change would occur, but ok.

No, it was an over-the-top example, but it showed, I think, that word definitions must be shared or they are meaningless.