Trump found guilty on all 34 counts

[ozso]

Yup. He lost, of course he's going to disagree with the way the trial turned out. He's not exactly unbiased in that.


Yeah? Any crime is adjudicated in the jurisdiction where it occurred. That's normal. Trump's team tried to move for a change of venue, but they were denied. There are many valid reasons for a change of venue, but not liking the demographics isn't one of them.


You'd have to prove that was the case...and since Trump's team had a say in the jury selection process, it's highly unlikely. Don't forget, while Trump's team did have a very limited number of people they could strike, the same applies to the prosecution.

Jury selection consists of weeding out a group of the people who got a jury summons for that case. If they all had bias against the defendant, then jury selection becomes moot.

Also I've heard of cases in the news where the trial was held elsewhere because it was decided the defendant couldn't get a fair trial where the incident took place. I heard a couple of people in the news saying it should have been held in Stanton Island, NY.

Don't forget, 85,185 people in Manhattan voted for Trump in the last election. More voted for Biden, sure...but not everyone.

Surely some of those people were available for jury duty.


You posted the video. What did he say?

-- A2SG, not gonna make your claims for you...you have to do some of the work yourself, bud....

I tracked down how it went down:

For those who think this was a just case. Oh yea did I mention this was a liberal. Don’t ask me why this case was flawed, just listen to a true scholar.

Only 1 minute in and Dershowitz is already lying. He claimed the jury was hand picked by the judge and the prosecutor. Trump's lawyers had just as much power to select as the prosecutors and it was the lawyers from both sides that did all of the questioning.

I think what Dershowitz is saying is basically what Blanche said. That he only had a room full of people who had a negative opinion of Trump to choose from. So while Blanche was involved in selecting the 12 people for the jury, he didn't choose all the people summoned who made up the entire jury pool.

 

[ozso]

I identified each link as I posted them.

First, I posted the link to the letter, after which I said "This is a letter from Trump's attorney..."

The second link was in my sig, and it said: "if you want a full trial transcript, it's freely available...."

And even if you did go to the main transcript page, the link to the letter is there. It's labeled: "Juror Questionnaire with Cover Letter"

-- A2SG, I don't know how I could have been clearer.....

Sorry, I have neurological issues and sometimes things get mixed up in my head.

Here's an old post from 2022 just in case anyone thinks I just made that up:

I've never expected anything from God other than being fed and clothed. I've never expected him to heal me of my neurological problems. But I feel he has accommodated them. I'm not homeless like others whose brain doesn't work right.

 

[Whyayeman]

Sorry, I have neurological issues and sometimes things get mixed up in my head.

Here's an old post from 2022 just in case anyone thinks I just made that up:

I am really sorry about that. (And no, I don't think you have just made it up.)

I won't be contributing further to this thread.

 

[A2SG]

Jury selection consists of weeding out a group of the people who got a jury summons for that case. If they all had bias against the defendant, then jury selection becomes moot.

What makes you think they ALL had a bias against Trump? What do you base that conclusion on? A guess?

It can't be based on the facts, because you know absolutely nothing about any single juror.

I tracked down how it went down:

I think what Dershowitz is saying is basically what Blanche said. That he only had a room full of people who had a negative opinion of Trump to choose from. So while Blanche was involved in selecting the 12 people for the jury, he didn't choose all the people summoned who made up the entire jury pool.

Of course he didn't. Neither side gets to do that.

But here's what Dershowitz said: he claimed the jury was "hand picked by the judge and by the prosecutor to be anti-Trump."

We know that's false. The defense isn't excluded from jury selection. Blanche admitted that in his letter, and he admitted it on the air in the clip you presented earlier. So the judge and the prosecutor didn't "hand pick" the jury all by themselves.

And Dershowitz, for all his legal expertise and courtroom experience, knows this full well.

So, again, lie proven.

-- A2SG, and we're right back where we started, all over again....

 

[Postvieww]

The words of Jesus:

Greater love has no one than this, that a person will lay down his life for his friends.

And now the words of Donald J. Trump (with context, reference = https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ho-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/)

When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery, near Paris, in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.

Nothing more need be said........

This is old news proven false. Is it so much easier to recycle trash than to actually deal with the topic at hand?

 

[Postvieww]

"Doctor, do you think we should inject bleach or drink Lysol?" isn't really better - any reasonable person would know that that's an idiotic question.

Another diversion to avoid the facts.

 

[Postvieww]

For comparisons sake, according to Politifact's Truth-o-meter: Trump has 390 false statements, 189 "pants on fire." Biden has 63 false, 7 "pants on fire."

Read into that what you will.

-- A2SG, all politicians lie, but some lie more than others....

And who fact checks Politifact’s “truth “ meter? Just one more diversion.

 

[ozso]

What makes you think they ALL had a bias against Trump? What do you base that conclusion on? A guess?

It can't be based on the facts, because you know absolutely nothing about any single juror.

It's based on what Blanche said in that video I just posted which perhaps you didn't watch.

Of course he didn't. Neither side gets to do that.

Then who does?

But here's what Dershowitz said: he claimed the jury was "hand picked by the judge and by the prosecutor to be anti-Trump."

We know that's false. The defense isn't excluded from jury selection. Blanche admitted that in his letter, and he admitted it on the air in the clip you presented earlier. So the judge and the prosecutor didn't "hand pick" the jury all by themselves.

And Dershowitz, for all his legal expertise and courtroom experience, knows this full well.

So, again, lie proven.

-- A2SG, and we're right back where we started, all over again....

The judge may have selected the jury pool and Blanche was left with selecting from that jury pool.

I'd say logic dictates that it's less likely that a Harvard law professor with 60 years of experience would tell a blatant lie most any novice would pick up on, and more likely that the novices aren't getting it right.

 

[A2SG]

And who fact checks Politifact’s “truth “ meter? Just one more diversion.

They detail what they base their analysis on. If you'd care to double check the basis for their conclusions, feel free.

-- A2SG, have fun!

 

[Postvieww]

Yeah mock him rather than refute him.

Typical liberal play to avoid dealing with actual truth.

 

[ozso]

I am really sorry about that. (And no, I don't think you have just made it up.)

I won't be contributing further to this thread.

Most of the time I don't think it affects me when doing this alone. But when I'm multi tasking sometimes wires get crossed.

 

[A2SG]

It's based on what Blanche said in that video I just posted which perhaps you didn't watch.

I did watch it. I even commented on it.

Then who does?

The judge doesn't hand pick the jury pool, neither does the prosecution or the defense.

The judge may have selected the jury pool and Blanche was left with selecting from that jury pool.

Nope, not how it works. A fact that Dershowitz, as an experienced defense attorney knows full well.

I'd say logic dictates that it's less likely that a Harvard law professor with 60 years of experience would tell a blatant lie most any novice would pick up on, and more likely that the novices aren't getting it right.

So show me how a judge and prosecutor can "hand pick" a jury when the defense has just as much input into the selection of that jury, a fact Blanche fully admits to and details in the letter I gave you.

I proved him wrong, but feel free to try and prove him correct. If you can.

-- A2SG, again...have fun!

 

[Postvieww]

Oh good grief. Ben Shaprio has not special expertise or experience to add. He's just another commentator with an annoying voice. Are we moving on from that liar Dershowitz?

You would love to move on so you don’t have to deal with facts. Dershowitz did not lie about the case that is your flawed opinion of what was said. Label him a liar then feel justified in ignoring everything else he said.

 

[Postvieww]

In what world is Merrick Garland a “liberal”?

In what world is that a serious question?

 

[ozso]

I did watch it. I even commented on it.

Then you should have known what I said was based on what Blanche said.

The judge doesn't hand pick the jury pool, neither does the prosecution or the defense.

I don't know what the process is aside from my experience in being summoned for jury duty. (Which I always get out of due to my brain issues. To every cloud there's a silver lining haha).

How do you know how it works?

Nope, not how it works. A fact that Dershowitz, as an experienced defense attorney knows full well.

And how do you know how it works?

So show me how a judge and prosecutor can "hand pick" a jury when the defense has just as much input into the selection of that jury,

I'm not sure about that. But I think Dershowitz most likely knows what he's talking about.

a fact Blanche fully admits to and details in the letter I gave you.

We already covered that. Blanche most definitely was able/allowed to choose 12 Trump haters out of the room full of Trump haters.

I proved him wrong, but feel free to try and prove him correct. If you can.

He knows a way lot more than I ever will about how those things work. And I think it's highly unlikely that a novice can out knowledge him. So obviously there's a wording issue involved.

-- A2SG, again...have fun!

Okay!

 

[Postvieww]

Huh. Strange how you decry a "Police state' but then revert back to Trump. A police state going after just one man is it? Most consolidated police state in history apparently.

Do you need a list of all the people connected with Trump targeted and another list of all of the people connected with Biden given a pass?

 

[Postvieww]

Nothing has been pointed out about the jury selection. Apart from Dershowitz lying about it. Is there another thread of which I'm unaware? Give me the details please and we'll examine them.

Leading up to this trial a motion for change of venue was denied, Judge chose the jury pool. With a biased jury pool it is irrelevant which individual jurors are selected, finding a Trump supporter in Manhattan is highly unlikely. Defense only gets so many strikes for cause and even some of those can be overruled. When the pool is tainted individual jurors are not the issue.Many times a change of venue is granted so the defense will have a fair shot at a fair trial, this was denied by the Judge therefore he picked the jury pool. No Merchan did not chose each individual juror and Dershowitz did not imply that he did. Even the verdict was directed by the corrupt judge through his faulty jury instructions. They got a choice of multiple federal crimes to elevate the past statute of limitation misdemeanors. The jury did not even have to agree on which one. This case was a farce and a political hit job. No self respecting, credible law scholar has supported this sham trial.

 

[A2SG]

You would love to move on so you don’t have to deal with facts. Dershowitz did not lie about the case that is your flawed opinion of what was said. Label him a liar then feel justified in ignoring everything else he said.

I provided documented proof that Dershowitz lied earlier. Did you miss it?

-- A2SG, it wasn't that long ago....

 

[ozso]

Leading up to this trial a motion for change of venue was denied, Judge chose the jury pool. With a biased jury pool it is irrelevant which individual jurors are selected, finding a Trump supporter in Manhattan is highly unlikely. Defense only gets so many strikes for cause and even some of those can be overruled. When the pool is tainted individual jurors are not the issue.Many times a change of venue is granted so the defense will have a fair shot at a fair trial, this was denied by the Judge therefore he picked the jury pool. No Merchan did not chose each individual juror and Dershowitz did not imply that he did. Even the verdict was directed by the corrupt judge through his faulty jury instructions. They got a choice of multiple federal crimes to elevate the past statute of limitation misdemeanors. The jury did not even have to agree on which one. This case was a farce and a political hit job. No self respecting, credible law scholar has supported this sham trial.

Nah Dershowitz outright lied about something every novice would pick up on and say "ah ha!" just for kicks

 

[ozso]

I provided documented proof that Dershowitz lied earlier. Did you miss it?

-- A2SG, it wasn't that long ago....

Keep holding onto that even though it's highly unlikely and doesn't make any sense.