Trump found guilty on all 34 counts

[ozso]

By destroying the Republic. Think about it.

Nothing Trump has done has shown me that he will preserve the republic. He will destroy it under his watch because of his desire for power and greed. Even if that is not his intention, that is what will happen. He is not a good leader, even though he is a master at the public relations game, and he does not look far enough forward to see the outcome of his actions.

His business record shows that. He will drive this country into the ground and everyone will cheer because of some painted golden promises, ignoring the flaming wreck this country will become. His followers worry more about how someone acts than if people can afford to feed their kids, or if there is a future as bright as now for them.

And for that painted golden promise, they will let him stay in office, while he steers this country over a cliff for short-term gain.

"Destroying the Republic" is too vague to think over.

That's a lot of hyperbole without specifics.

He's most likely going to do what he did the last time he was president. That's what the people can weigh out. They can clearly decide whether or not it was a good idea to replace Trump with Biden based on Trump’s performance as president vs Biden’s performance as president.

 

[ozso]

It's your problem. Who else is going to solve it? You want the rest of the world to solve it for you?

Okay I'll get right on solving why the best person for the job isn't running for president. I understand the world is depending on me. Major news outlets are already asking me for interviews.

Are you not listening? Character! The man is the most worthless person ever to run for office. Surely you know that.

The voters care about performance more than character. He's a great guy, but does a lousy job, doesn't cut it for them.

 

[Tinker Grey]

The voters care about performance more than character.

What about you? Do you care more about performance than character? Do you care about character?

 

[Whyayeman]

That is uncalled for and irrelevant. I am discussing the perception of the issue held by millions of people.

If you want to go all toe to toe personal character attack, either take it to PM or go find someone in a pub to get into a skunk fight with.

The question is relevant because Trump has enjoyed a great deal of support from avowed Christians and it is a puzzle for many people. I am not attacking your character. It is a real question and I would like an honest answer. I cannot ask 'the millions of people' but I can ask you.

Why do you ignore Trump's moral failings?

 

[FaithT]

I disagree. Biden presents as old and Trump doesn't. Biden presents as frail both physically and mentally. Trump presents as robust. Even those who hate Trump like Bill Maher are pointing that out.

LOL!

 

[ozso]

The question is relevant because Trump has enjoyed a great deal of support from avowed Christians and it is a puzzle for many people. I am not attacking your character. It is a real question and I would like an honest answer. I cannot ask 'the millions of people' but I can ask you.

Why do you ignore Trump's moral failings?

What you're really asking is why some Christians don't evaluate Trump the same way as those who hate him do. That since they don't see him in the same light as those who hate him, that's somehow contrary to them being Christians.

 

[ozso]

What about you? Do you care more about performance than character? Do you care about character?

If a president is a really sweet wonderful virtuous guy, but he's doing a really lousy job of running the country, the latter is going to be more important to me than the former when it comes to him being the president.

 

[Brihaha]

What you're really asking is why some Christians don't evaluate Trump the same way as those who hate him do. That since they don't see him in the same light as those who hate him, that's somehow contrary to them being Christians.

True believers who actually read and believe our bibles understand. Some of these Trump "Christians" are just like the Jewish folks whom Moses liberated in Egypt. They simply don't trust the word of God. They probably wouldn't listen to Jesus if He was sent down again, which is likely why there's no reason for Jesus's return until judgment day. We see how "Christians" revere God's spokesmen. We can go see threads here with disrespect and insults to the Pope for daring to show compassion, forgiveness and love for other sinners of a different persuasion. This behavior is most certainly contrary to the word of God. We are not to worship anyone but God. We are not to associate with folks like Mr Trump. etc. Denial of faith seems as powerful as the denial of addiction. It is just as cunning too.

I need to wear boots when I post here nowadays. As Trump continues his humiliating fall from "grace", the muck of denial on these forums is nearly impassable. At least we will get to hear some entertaining new excuses and rationalizations for why folks choose to ignore the truth about Donald Trump.

I'd rather ignore these threads altogether but I am an optimist. I believe some Christians will eventually begin to eschew the words of Donald Trump. And return to heeding the word of God again. And God does love to find His lost sheep return to the flock. The world is overwhelmed with goats.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

What matters is what two sides of society wants to see done about it.

So you don't have a recommendation but think Trump can do better? I guess separating children from their parents can be dissuasive.
Only, it wasn't

 

[ozso]

So you don't have a recommendation but think Trump can do better? I guess separating children from their parents can be dissuasive.
Only, it wasn't

Here in the the States citizens of the US who are parents are put into an adult holding facility and their children are put into a juvenile holding facility, is that wrong? Is there a holding facility in your city or county that houses adults and children together? Do you think there should be?

 

[Whyayeman]

What you're really asking is why some Christians don't evaluate Trump the same way as those who hate him do. That since they don't see him in the same light as those who hate him, that's somehow contrary to them being Christians.

No, I am really asking you.

Why do you ignore Trump's moral failings in the light of your professed Christianity (which I respect).

 

[Whyayeman]

Here in the the States citizens of the US who are parents are put into an adult holding facility and their children are put into a juvenile holding facility, is that wrong?

Of course it is wrong. Children should be with their parents.

 

[rambot]

"Character isn't important" I'm pretty sure was one of the lines the Israelites used before they took Saul as their king. Another tough guy.

And he was well liked by Israel in the end.

What you're really asking is why some Christians don't evaluate Trump the same way as those who hate him do. That since they don't see him in the same light as those who hate him, that's somehow contrary to them being Christians.

No.
The unchristian failings of Trump are public knowledge.
His supporters ignore them.

You yourself are adamant that character isn't important as a president and use that as justification foe supporting him.
OK.

Use that justification.

But as a Christian there are implications in knowing his moral failings...and dismissing them as unimportant.


I'm not going to say they are bad Christians but I am going to say that they are showing no spiritual discernment.


Remember it's Trump that's making people turn away from Jesus teachings. It's NOT Biden doing that.

 

[ozso]

No, I am really asking you.

Why do you ignore Trump's moral failings in the light of your professed Christianity (which I respect).

What is it that you think I'm ignoring? "Moral failings" is too vague (not to mention subjective) be more specific about what you think I'm ignoring and why you think I'm ignoring it.

 

[ozso]

Of course it is wrong. Children should be with their parents.

Really you think children should be in your city/county adult detention facility and juvenile detention facilities should be done away with.

 

[MrMoe]

The question is relevant because Trump has enjoyed a great deal of support from avowed Christians and it is a puzzle for many people. I am not attacking your character. It is a real question and I would like an honest answer. I cannot ask 'the millions of people' but I can ask you.

Why do you ignore Trump's moral failings?

I don't think we ignore them. We accept that they are moral failings and pray he does better in the future. Just like Joe Biden's Christian supporters don't ignore his moral failings. Joe Biden is a Catholic. He is pro gay marriage and pro abortion. Two things that the Catholic Church apposes.

Also, Biden is a racist. You know that thing that left wingers use to screech about Christians ignoring that no longer seems to be a big deal with Biden.

 

[MrMoe]

LOL!

What's so funny? Everything he said is true. Biden looks like he could drop dead at any second.


He thinks the phrase "Made in America" is two words.

He can't even speak coherently.

 

[childeye 2]

The question is relevant because Trump has enjoyed a great deal of support from avowed Christians and it is a puzzle for many people. I am not attacking your character. It is a real question and I would like an honest answer. I cannot ask 'the millions of people' but I can ask you.

Why do you ignore Trump's moral failings?

I think Trump's moral failings are his self-adoration and that without any proof he accuses and slanders others, particularly all those who openly disagree with him.

 

[ozso]

"Character isn't important" I'm pretty sure was one of the lines the Israelites used before they took Saul as their king. Another tough guy.

And he was well liked by Israel in the end.

If a president is an outstanding Christian, a really moral guy, a total peach, but is doing a really lousy job of running the country, should his character matter more than his performance? The correct answer is, no of course not.

No.
The unchristian failings of Trump are public knowledge.
His supporters ignore them.

Too vague.

You yourself are adamant that character isn't important as a president and use that as justification foe supporting him.
OK.
Use that justification.

Incorrect. I said if a president is the most wonderful guy in the world, but is doing a really lousy job of running the country, his performance matters more than his character in regard to him being president.

But as a Christian there are implications in knowing his moral failings...and dismissing them as unimportant.

It's a matter of perception and subjectivity. First of all the often repeated buzz-term "moral failings" is too vague to define.

I'm not going to say they are bad Christians but I am going to say that they are showing no spiritual discernment.

Too vague.

Remember it's Trump that's making people turn away from Jesus teachings. It's NOT Biden doing that.

Too vague.

 

[MrMoe]

True believers who actually read and believe our bibles understand. Some of these Trump "Christians" are just like the Jewish folks whom Moses liberated in Egypt. They simply don't trust the word of God.

It's ironic that you bring up Moses. Moses killed an Egyptian and hid his body. Exodus 2:12. And yet God chose him to lead his people out of Egypt.
Trump's trespass is far less worse than this and yet you question Trump's Christian supporter's Christianity by putting the word Christians in quotation marks.