Trump found guilty on all 34 counts

[Pommer]

I disagree. Biden presents as old and Trump doesn't. Biden presents as frail both physically and mentally. Trump presents as robust. Even those who hate Trump like Bill Maher are pointing that out.

Donald J Trump and the Rose Coloured Glasses—by J.K. Rowling would be a title I borrowed from a library, if it existed.

 

[Bradskii]

Not quite. It's he's the best person who's avaliable.

Then you must acknowledge the state that US politics is in if he is literally what you describe as 'the best person available'.

Certainly there are better people for the position.

And that shows the complete and utter disintegration of the Republican party. You are a Republican. It used to be an honest party filled with responsible and respectable men and women of integrity. You should demand better.

And that person working tirelessly...

I read that and all it generated was a snort of derision. You just have to be kidding me. You cannot actually believe that.

 

[ozso]

Then you must acknowledge the state that US politics is in if he is literally what you describe as 'the best person available'.

And that shows the complete and utter disintegration of the Republican party. You are a Republican. It used to be an honest party filled with responsible and respectable men and women of integrity. You should demand better.

I read that and all it generated was a snort of derision. You just have to be kidding me. You cannot actually believe that.

It's a matter of who is vying for the position. There might be a million better people for the job, but if they don't want the job, there's no way to vote for them.

 

[ozso]

Donald J Trump and the Rose Coloured Glasses—by J.K. Rowling would be a title I borrowed from a library, if it existed.

All I'm seeing in that post is a word salad.

 

[Bradskii]

It's a matter of who is vying for the position. There might be a million better people for the job, but if they don't want the job, there's no way to vote for them.

Maybe you can tell us who you think is at fault for that? Who is in charge of the process whereby the very best person for the job is the one that represents you? And quite possibly your country. Because you and I both know that if someone with Trump's character was the Democrat nominee then you would be spending all your forum time denigrating that person on the basis of his character.

If someone said 'Well, hey - we're just voting for his policies, not for his character' then you'd be quite rightly shouting that person down. 'He is meant to represent the US of A! It's shameful that you think a person like that deserves the honour of sitting behind the Resolute Desk'. And if you posted that then I'd be giving it a star. We'd be on the same page.

A person like that shouldn't be anywhere near being considered an option for any position of authority over the people. I swear that if I was American and a Democrat and Trump was nominated as the Democratic nominee I would spend all my time trying to reverse that. I would do everything I could to prevent it. I would feel ashamed that my party had sunk so low as to choose a person I wouldn't even have in my house.

The question is...why don't you feel the same?

 

[ozso]

Maybe you can tell us who you think is at fault for that? Who is in charge of the process whereby the very best person for the job is the one that represents you? And quite possibly your country. Because you and I both know that if someone with Trump's character was the Democrat nominee then you would be spending all your forum time denigrating that person on the basis of his character.

If someone said 'Well, hey - we're just voting for his policies, not for his character' then you'd be quite rightly shouting that person down. 'He is meant to represent the US of A! It's shameful that you think a person like that deserves the honour of sitting behind the Resolute Desk'. And if you posted that then I'd be giving it a star. We'd be on the same page.

A person like that shouldn't be anywhere near being considered an option for any position of authority over the people. I swear that if I was American and a Democrat and Trump was nominated as the Democratic nominee I would spend all my time trying to reverse that. I would do everything I could to prevent it. I would feel ashamed that my party had sunk so low as to choose a person I wouldn't even have in my house.

The question is...why don't you feel the same?

It's not anyone's fault per se. It's a matter of who is vying for the position. A party and a nation can't vote for the very best person, if that person isn't running for president.

As for character, that doesn't matter in comparison to performance. The primary argument against a candidate should be their performance. When people come up with reasons other than performance of why someone isn't a good candidate, then that's a good indication they can't find much wrong with his performance.

 

[Whyayeman]

It's being disputed all the time. It's doubtful there are many men in prison under the same exact details and circumstances.

Many think it doesn't have anything to do with how he will run America. Many think the crimes are basically nonexistent.

I see you dodged the issue there. I asked you for your own view. Here is my post #221 again:

None of what I said is disputed. There are many men in your country (and mine) in prison now that are there for the offences your hero openly brags about.​

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Do you think that a criminal of such moral turpitude is a suitable candidate to 'make America great again'? Or, perhaps you think these crimes are not serious. ​

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I know there are numerous denials but the facts are beyond dispute. I think you know that really.

As for character, that doesn't matter in comparison to performance. The primary argument against a candidate should be their performance. When people come up with reasons other than performance of why someone isn't a good candidate, then that's a good indication they can't find much wrong with his performance.

You describe yourself as a Christian; that is why I have a difficulty with your easy acceptance of Trump's well-documented lies, habitual sexual misconduct and crimes. For a Christian (and no less for anybody with a moral compass) character is important.

 

[ozso]

I see you dodged the issue there. I asked you for your own view. Here is my post #221 again:

None of what I said is disputed. There are many men in your country (and mine) in prison now that are there for the offences your hero openly brags about.​

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Do you think that a criminal of such moral turpitude is a suitable candidate to 'make America great again'? Or, perhaps you think these crimes are not serious. ​

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I know there are numerous denials but the facts are beyond dispute. I think you know that really.

The fact that so many are disputing it, proves that it is indeed disputable.

You describe yourself as a Christian; that is why I have a difficulty with your easy acceptance of Trump's well-documented lies, habitual sexual misconduct and crimes. For a Christian (and no less for anybody with a moral compass) character is important.

That is uncalled for and irrelevant. I am discussing the perception of the issue held by millions of people.

If you want to go all toe to toe personal character attack, either take it to PM or go find someone in a pub to get into a skunk fight with.

 

[Pommer]

All I'm seeing in that post is a word salad.

Trump, as a savior of America, is fictional.

 

[ozso]

Trump, as a savior of America, is fictional.

Biden also is being touted as the one who will save democracy ie America.

Each one accuses the other of being a threat to America that he has to save America from.

 

[Bradskii]

It's not anyone's fault per se.

Bulldust. Someone is responsible. To deny that is to deny that there is a problem.

As for character, that doesn't matter in comparison to performance.

Bulldust. Do you honestly think that he performed better that anyone else could have done? And character has nothing to do with performance. You can be the most honest, upright, genuine salt-of-the earth type of guy and perform atrociously. And be a sleaze bag (no names mentioned) and perform well. They are to be considered separately.

Your consideration of performance is woeful. And you actually deny any responsibility for the consideration of character.

 

[ozso]

Bulldust.Someone is responsible. To deny that is to deny that there is a problem.

Bulldust. Do you honestly think that he performed better that anyone else could have done? And character has nothing to do with performance. You can be the most honest, upright, genuine salt-of-the earth type of guy and perform atrociously. And be a sleaze bag (no names mentioned) and perform well. They are to be considered separately.

Your consideration of performance is woeful. And you actually deny any responsibility for the consideration of character.

The problem so to speak is that those who would make the best president aren't trying to get the job. But even when it comes to that person, there are going to be those who see him as a bad guy. Abraham Lincoln was assassinated for being tyrant according to what John Wilkes Booth shouted.

Of course there are others who can do a better job. But they are not running for president. And I agree that character has nothing to do with performance. And what people want out of a president is performance. So his critics should be talking about his performance more than his character.

 

[Danthemailman]

Biden also is being touted as the one who will save democracy ie America.

Each one accuses the other of being a threat to America that he has to save America from.

Biden could care less about democracy or saving America and Trump can't save America without enough support. It's hard to soar like an eagle as a country when we are working with turkeys. The swamp is just too deep all the way around. Only God can save America.

 

[Bradskii]

The problem so to speak is that those who would make the best president aren't trying to get the job.

Then you have a problem. And you have to solve it.

And I agree that character has nothing to do with performance. And what people want out of a president is performance. So his critics should be talking about his performance more than his character.

This is the man that you want to represent you. That you want to represent your country. You will have to live with that. You will be measured by that.

 

[ozso]

Biden could care less about democracy or saving America and Trump can't save America without enough support. It's hard to soar like an eagle as a country when we are working with turkeys. The swamp is just too deep all the way around. Only God can save America.

Well you know, some folks love hyperbole over a realistic statement like "he will probably do a better job of running the country".

 

[ozso]

Then you have a problem. And you have to solve it.

Oh please elaborate on how I'm supposed to solve the problem of best person not running for president.

This is the man that you want to represent you. That you want to represent your country. You will have to live with that. You will be measured by that.

The real issue is that he's the man whom millions of people want to run the country because they think he will do a better job than the current president. Point out where they are wrong regarding that.

 

[Paulos23]

Biden also is being touted as the one who will save democracy ie America.

Each one accuses the other of being a threat to America that he has to save America from.

Biden happens to be the one who can get enough support right now. Would I vote for someone else who would uphold the Republic? Yes.

Trump is not interested in upholding the Republic. Trump will say and do what his supporters want to get into office again.

And I am sure he is planning to stay there.

 

[ozso]

Biden happens to be the one who can get enough support right now. Would I vote for someone else who would uphold the Republic? Yes.

Trump is not interested in upholding the Republic. Trump will say and do what his supporters want to get into office again.

And I am sure he is planning to stay there.

As to who will get the most support, that's what elections are for.

Doing what the voters want, is why people vote for someone.

Realistically; how can a president stay in office after his term is over?

 

[Paulos23]

As to who will get the most support, that's what elections are for.

Doing what the voters want, is why people vote for someone.

Realistically; how can a president stay in office after his term is over?

By destroying the Republic. Think about it.

Nothing Trump has done has shown me that he will preserve the republic. He will destroy it under his watch because of his desire for power and greed. Even if that is not his intention, that is what will happen. He is not a good leader, even though he is a master at the public relations game, and he does not look far enough forward to see the outcome of his actions.

His business record shows that. He will drive this country into the ground and everyone will cheer because of some painted golden promises, ignoring the flaming wreck this country will become. His followers worry more about how someone acts than if people can afford to feed their kids, or if there is a future as bright as now for them.

And for that painted golden promise, they will let him stay in office, while he steers this country over a cliff for short-term gain.

 

[Bradskii]

Oh please elaborate on how I'm supposed to solve the problem of best person not running for president.

It's your problem. Who else is going to solve it? You want the rest of the world to solve it for you?

The real issue is that he's the man whom millions of people want to run the country because they think he will do a better job than the current president. Point out where they are wrong regarding that.

Are you not listening? Character! The man is the most worthless person ever to run for office. Surely you know that.