Revelation 11 and Revelation 12

[keras]

Why not subtract 1335 days from 2520 days to get the answer?

Because to do that is a contradiction of Daniel 9:27......with one half spent, he will put a stop to the Temple ordinances.......
Has to be at day 1260, then after another 1260 days; the glorious Return of Jesus.

I just can't see why you need to mess around with scripture like this. The extra 30 and 75 days must come after Jesus Returns.
I would happily endorse your charts, provided they did not violate scripture and simple mathematics.

 

[Douggg]

Because to do that is a contradiction of Daniel 9:27......with one half spent, he will put a stop to the Temple ordinances.......
Has to be at day 1260, then after another 1260 days; the glorious Return of Jesus

The REB 1989 has some mis-translations in it.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. kjv

midst of the week means in the middle part, not the exact mid-day point.

There are no "extra" days to the 1290 days and 1335 days of Daniel 12:11-12.

 

[keras]

midst of the week means in the middle part, not the exact mid-day point.

Your opinion, not the logical and correct understanding.
The AoD will happen at 1260 days after the treaty is signed and after another 1260 days: Jesus will Return. Any other ideas, are just twisting and shuffling scripture. Not advisable.

 

[Douggg]

Your opinion, not the logical and correct understanding.
The AoD will happen at 1260 days after the treaty is signed and after another 1260 days: Jesus will Return. Any other ideas, are just twisting and shuffling scripture. Not advisable.

keras, if the abomination of desolation is to be set up on day 1260, then Daniel 12:11-12 would have simply gave that number.

But Daniel 12:11-12 does not because there is the matter of the sign of the Son of Man appearing (at the end of the 1290 days) as what causes panic among the kings of the earth, that they will assemble their armies as Armageddon to make war on Jesus.

In your interpretation, you have no reason for the kings of the earth to take such action. Nor any time that they will have to assemble their armies at Armageddon.

 

[keras]

keras, if the abomination of desolation is to be set up on day 1260, then Daniel 12:11-12 would have simply gave that number.

But Daniel 12:11-12 does not because there is the matter of the sign of the Son of Man appearing (at the end of the 1290 days) as what causes panic among the kings of the earth, that they will assemble their armies as Armageddon to make war on Jesus.

In your interpretation, you have no reason for the kings of the earth to take such action. Nor any time that they will have to assemble their armies at Armageddon.

Your reply is confusion, as it seems you think I meant the second period of 1260 days. Re-read #63, I said: after the treaty is signed.... the first half of the 7 years.

 

[Douggg]

Your reply is confusion, as it seems you think I meant the second period of 1260 days. Re-read #63, I said: after the treaty is signed.... the first half of the 7 years

keras, in post #63. you wrote

"The AoD will happen at 1260 days after the treaty is signed and after another 1260 days: Jesus will Return."

1260 days after the treaty is signed (in your view, but it is not a treaty in Daniel 9:27) is day 1260 on the timeline, the mid-point of the seven years.

You have the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place for the second half of the 7 years.

But you don't understand that the 1290 days from when the abomination of desolation is setup will be the sign of the Son of Man in haven. Which will cause a reaction by the kings of the earth to gather their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus.

In you interpretation, you have no reason for the kings of the earth to gather their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus. And also no allotted time to do it.

Here is the correct understanding... the armies of the kings of the earth will gather 45 days at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus,

 

[keras]

You have the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place for the second half of the 7 years.

Yes, I do.
It refers to the image of the beast, Revelation 13:14-15

In you interpretation, you have no reason for the kings of the earth to gather their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus. And also no allotted time to do it.

Here is the correct understanding... the armies of the kings of the earth will gather 45 days at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus,

Of course there is time and reason for the armies to gather, as Revelation 16:12-14, says.

You do not have the 'correct' understanding. The extra days that Daniel 12 prophesies, must come after Jesus Returns. They fit there with the fulfilment of the Feasts.

 

[Douggg]

You do not have the 'correct' understanding. The extra days that Daniel 12 prophesies, must come after Jesus Returns. They fit there with the fulfilment of the Feasts.

Do you, as a Christian, celebrate Hanukah ? Do you as a Christian, observe the feasts of the Mt. Sinai covenant ? If not, why should a new nation you are calling Beulah comprised of only Christians do so ?

Of course there is time and reason for the armies to gather, as Revelation 16:12-14, says.

And why, what reason, do the beast, the false prophet, and the dragon at that point in time have to convince the kings of the earth to gather their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus ?

 

[keras]

Do you, as a Christian, celebrate Hanukah ? Do you as a Christian, observe the feasts of the Mt. Sinai covenant ? If not, why should a new nation you are calling Beulah comprised of only Christians do so ?

God ordained those 7 Mo'eds, or days of celebration and Jesus fulfilled the spring ones. The Fall ones await their final fulfilment. -
1/ the Day of Trumpets: the Sixth Seal, Lords Day of fiery wrath.

2/ The Day of Tabernacles: the glorious Return of Jesus

3/ the Day of Hanukah: the rededication of the Temple, 75 days after Jesus Returns.

And why, what reason, do the beast, the false prophet, and the dragon at that point in time have to convince the kings of the earth to gather their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus ?

The three 'spirits like frogs', will do that job. Rev 16:13
The reason is that Satan knows Jesus is coming back and his time has nearly run out.

 

[Douggg]

The three 'spirits like frogs', will do that job. Rev 16:13
The reason is that Satan knows Jesus is coming back and his time has nearly run out.

Why should the kings of the earth care if Satan's time was nearly run out ? What makes you think they even are aware that Satan is present within abomination of desolation statue image making it appear alive and speak ?

keras, what you are missing is that there has to be a visible physical threat that scares the kings of the earth to take action to gather their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus.

 

[keras]

Why should the kings of the earth care if Satan's time was nearly run out ? What makes you think they even are aware that Satan is present within abomination of desolation statue image making it appear alive and speak ?

keras, what you are missing is that there has to be a visible physical threat that scares the kings of the earth to take action to gather their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus.

Dougggg; what you are missing is to read and understand Revelation 16:13-14. Those leaders will be motivated by foul spirits.

Interestingly; this is not how Gog/ Magog are motivated to attack Gods people. Ezekiel 38:3-4 The Lord will make them come.

 

[Fisherking]

Why not subtract 1335 days from 2520 days to get the answer?

Because it would be wrong.

The 1290 is not the 1335. You have some incorrect theory set up that does not hold water.

Its simple the 2nd coming is the fulcrum point.

The 1335 = the Two-witnesses who show up 1335 days before the 2nd coming (The get Israel to REPENT)

The 1290 = the False Prophet (Jewish high priest) who forbids Jesus worship and then places an image of the first beast up in the temple as Rev. 13 shows. This happens 1290 days before the 2nd coming.

The 1260 = the Anti-Christ who become the Beast by conquering Israel/and THE MANY countries in the region 1260 days before the 2nd coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS.

What you do is overcomplicate the simple language.

 

[Douggg]

Because it would be wrong.

The 1290 is not the 1335. You have some incorrect theory set up that does not hold water.

Its simple the 2nd coming is the fulcrum point.

The 1335 = the Two-witnesses who show up 1335 days before the 2nd coming (The get Israel to REPENT)

The 1290 = the False Prophet (Jewish high priest) who forbids Jesus worship and then places an image of the first beast up in the temple as Rev. 13 shows. This happens 1290 days before the 2nd coming.

The 1260 = the Anti-Christ who become the Beast by conquering Israel/and THE MANY countries in the region 1260 days before the 2nd coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS.

What you do is overcomplicate the simple language.

Here are all the end times time frames in the bible. Since you don't have the skills to make a similar diagram, from this list which ones end with Jesus's return ? And which ones begin with the start of the seven years ?

 

[Fisherking]

Here are all the end times time frames in the bible. Since you don't have the skills to make a similar diagram, from this list which ones end with Jesus's return ? And which ones begin with the start of the seven years ?

Well, in my E-Mail I got the below in Red which is not fully in the above so I will post it below:

The 1290 days and the 1335 days both begin when the abomination of desolation is set up.

The 1260 days of the two witnesses testimony begins at the start of the 7 years.

Here are all the end times time frames in the bible. Since you don't have the skills to make a similar diagram, from this list which ones end with Jesus's return ? And which ones begin with the start of the seven years ?

So, the 1335 comes 45 days before the 1290 AoD, and the 1290 AoD comes 30 days before the Beast conquers Israel at the 1260, thats why Israel (holy peoples) are scattered for 1260 days.

The 70th week starts with Israel joining the E.U. which also sets off the Pre 70th week Rapture.

The fact you have never been able to grasp that the Tw0-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe and thus in no way could they start at the beginning of the 70th week, its just not possible.

I do not need a simple, kind of silly diagram my friend to count to 2520, 1260, 1290 and 1335.

You miss it all by overthinking, when do ALL THESE WONDERS and ALLTHESE THINGS END? With Jesus' 2nd coming of course. Thus the 1335 comes first, the 1290 next and lastly the 1260.

 

[Douggg]

So, the 1335 comes 45 days before the 1290 AoD, and the 1290 AoD comes 30 days before the Beast conquers Israel at the 1260, thats why Israel (holy peoples) are scattered for 1260 days.

Rewrite whatever it is you are trying to communicate in a understandable form.

I do not need a simple, kind of silly diagram my friend to count to 2520, 1260, 1290 and 1335.

You do not know how to use a graphics program to make such a diagram as I presented.

So I asked you to take those 15 time frames on the diagram that come directly from the bible and make two lists. List the ones that end, the day Jesus returns. Then list the ones that begin when the 7 years begin. Like this.....

time frames that end the day Jesus returns:
xxxxx
xxxxx
xxxxx
xxxxx

time frames that begins when the 7 years begin:
xxxxx
xxxxx
xxxxx
xxxxx

 

[Douggg]

Thus the 1335 comes first, the 1290 next and lastly the 1260.

1335 days + 1290 days + 1260 days = 3885 days, The seven years is only 2520 days long. So try again.

 

[Fisherking]

1335 days + 1290 days + 1260 days = 3885 days, The seven years is only 2520 days long. So try again.

SMH, each are different EVENTS.

So, if I stated the Indy 500 was 270 days before the end of the year, and the Masters golf tournament was 130 days from the end of the year AND the college football semifinal was 1 day away from the end of the year, would you had up 270, 130 and 1 ? LOL, come on man. I could forecast thee sporting events 2000 years ago and call one the 270, one the 130 and the last one the 1. With each pointing unto how many days it was until the end of the year in each case.

 

[Douggg]

SMH, each are different EVENTS.

So, if I stated the Indy 500 was 270 days before the end of the year, and the Masters golf tournament was 130 days from the end of the year AND the college football semifinal was 1 day away from the end of the year, would you had up 270, 130 and 1 ? LOL, come on man. I could forecast thee sporting events 2000 years ago and call one the 270, one the 130 and the last one the 1. With each pointing unto how many days it was until the end of the year in each case.

You did not state the 1335 days, the 1290 days, the 1260 days as being the end of anything in your post #74.

You presented them as a sequence. 1335 days first. The 1290 days second. Then 1260 days third.

Thus the 1335 comes first, the 1290 next and lastly the 1260.

Perhaps you should go back and edit your post.

 

[Oseas]

Revelation 12:17 is after the Jews en-masse have turned to Jesus and the gospel of salvation.

Quite the opposite, GOD shall send them strong DELUSION, that they should BELIEVE A LIE.

12 That they all might be DAMNED who believed not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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I believe that my Lord JESUS is much more truer than you. My Lord JESUS said: Matthew 23:29-33
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Dialogue between Jews and JESUS: John 8KJV

JEWS said: - We be Abraham's seed,...John 8:v.33KJV
- JESUS said: - I know that ye are Abraham's seed...John 8:v.37KJV (Positive, they really are seed of Abraham)

JEWS said: - Abraham is our father.... John 8:v.39KJV
- JESUS said:- If ye were Abraham's children...John 8:v.39KJV (If???? hum!!! Were not they Abraham's children? Are the Jews Abraham's seed, but not Abraham's children?)

JEWS said: - We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even GOD. John 8:v.41KJV
- JESUS said: - If GOD were your Father...John 8:v.42KJV (If???? hum!!!)
-JESUS said to the Jews: Why do ye not understand my speech? John 8:v.43
-And JESUS openly and emphaticaly said to the Jews:Ye are of your father the Devil...,John 8:v.44.(believe in JESUS, Do you believe in Him?

In Revelation 12:v.9KJV:
9 - JESUS said: And the great Dragon (the red Dragon) was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his messengers were cast out with him.
By the way, "red Dragon" is the new name of the Devil -the father of the Jews- in this current time of Apocalypse.

 

[Douggg]

Quite the opposite, GOD shall send them strong DELUSION, that they should BELIEVE A LIE.

12 That they all might be DAMNED who believed not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

God will send strong delusion to them who believe the Antichrist's claim of having achieved God-hood, by bringing the person back alive from the mortal wound he will have received (i.e. assassinated for his outlandish claim).

When the world sees him come back to life - they will be deluded to think his claim of having achieved God-hood as actually being true.