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Money Offered For The Holy Spirit

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It is interesting during Philip's ministry in Samaria where there was a mighty revival, and Peter and John came to impart the Holy Spirit to the converts. Simon the Sorcerer offered money to the Apostles for the power of the Spirit, but Peter turned him down flat, and gave him a severe rebuke, saying that basically that he was a false convert.

I reckon that if it were Benny Hinn instead of Peter, he would have taken the money from Simon as a "seed offering" for the filling of the Holy Spirit and the power that went with him.
 

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It is interesting during Philip's ministry in Samaria where there was a mighty revival, and Peter and John came to impart the Holy Spirit to the converts. Simon the Sorcerer offered money to the Apostles for the power of the Spirit, but Peter turned him down flat, and gave him a severe rebuke, saying that basically that he was a false convert.

I reckon that if it were Benny Hinn instead of Peter, he would have taken the money from Simon as a "seed offering" for the filling of the Holy Spirit and the power that went with him.
While I probably don't disagree with you much, let's look a little closer at it. Simon Magus didn't offer money to receive the Holy Spirit, but offered money for the power to impart the Holy Spirit to others. That tells us two things. One, Phillip did not have that power. Two, the Apostles did.

With that knowledge, how is the Holy Spirit conveyed?
 
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In the first place, no one is offering money to Benny Hinn to receive any power from him.

From their own eyes, they know there is no power for him to give.
He is certainly receiving truckloads of money as seed offerings with the promise of healing and prosperity. It doesn't matter that people may not be offering money, because he is certainly receiving it. Peter said that it was a sign that Simon had nothing to do with Christ and was still bound in his own iniquity because the power of the Holy Spirit can not be bought with money.
 
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While I probably don't disagree with you much, let's look a little closer at it. Simon Magus didn't offer money to receive the Holy Spirit, but offered money for the power to impart the Holy Spirit to others. That tells us two things. One, Phillip did not have that power. Two, the Apostles did.

With that knowledge, how is the Holy Spirit conveyed?
There is the general principle that people who offer or receive money for anything to do with imparting or receiving the Holy Spirit is a sign of hypocrisy. This is not to say that a pastor or full time worker can't receive a salary for his ministry, because the Scripture says that a workman is worthy of his hire.

There is nothing wrong with free will offerings given in Benny Hinn or any other Word Faith conferences, and it is quite okay for the preachers and workers to receive salaries for what they do. If Benny Hinn was satisfied with just receiving his normal salary and expenses for conducting his ministry, there would be no complaint. What the problem is, however, is him appearing on television soliciting for people's seed offering in return for guaranteed healing or prosperity. This is extorting money from vulnerable and suffering people, promising things he knows he can't deliver.
 
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There is the general principle that people who offer or receive money for anything to do with imparting or receiving the Holy Spirit is a sign of hypocrisy.

Indeed, this is why all traditional churches prohibit Simony (which is seeking to purchase any kind of ecclesiastical office or authority).
 
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I don't want to condemn or defend the guy, but just a bit of research about Benny Hinn, brings several results, of testimonies of people on places you would think are not to promote Hinn, that tells testimonies about healing and other stuff.

I even read a testimony about a healing in one of Hinn crusades, and this person, actually was against him, even when he was healed.

People say things like 'God uses everyone' that is not true, God not uses just everyone for miracles, Jesus said believe by the miracles i am doing.
 
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I don't want to condemn or defend the guy, but just a bit of research about Benny Hinn, brings several results, of testimonies of people on places you would think are not to promote Hinn, that tells testimonies about healing and other stuff.

I even read a testimony about a healing in one of Hinn crusades, and this person, actually was against him, even when he was healed.

People say things like 'God uses everyone' that is not true, God not uses just everyone for miracles, Jesus said believe by the miracles i am doing.

God doesn't use everyone, but He can use whomever He chooses to use.
However, God does not charge us a dollar amount$ for the blessings He chooses to give to us.

I do not believe that Benny Hinn has some kind of special healing power.
I actually believe his ministry proves to be Biblically false.
So does his nephew, Costi Hinn, who use to be on Benny's ministry team.
Costi has since repented, and left the team.

Now, Costi is out telling all who have ears to hear the truth about his uncle's ministry.


If persons were healed in a Hinn services, it was because of their faith in God, not Benny.
God is a Rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
 
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God doesn't use everyone, but He can use whomever He chooses to use.
However, God does not charge us a dollar amount$ for the blessings He chooses to give to us.

I do not believe that Benny Hinn has some kind of special healing power.
I actually believe his ministry proves to be Biblically false.
So does his nephew, Costi Hinn, who use to be on Benny's ministry team.
Costi has since repented, and left the team.

Now, Costi is out telling all who have ears to hear the truth about his uncle's ministry.


If persons were healed in a Hinn services, it was because of their faith in God, not Benny.
God is a Rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
There is a greater likelihood of a person being healed by the power of God while praying in their bedroom or study at home, than in a Benny Hinn meeting.
 
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There is a greater likelihood of a person being healed by the power of God while praying in their bedroom or study at home, than in a Benny Hinn meeting.
:oldthumbsup:

Years ago, my late husband and I went to a Benny Hinn service, to see for ourselves what it was all about. It was abit of an effort for us to get there, but we did not stay long. Benny knows how to work a crowd, especially if persons are open and receptive to him. My husband and I were not; we got out of there.
 
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Indeed, this is why all traditional churches prohibit Simony (which is seeking to purchase any kind of ecclesiastical office or authority).

Though it happened anyways, indirectly, at times. That's one of the complaints of the Puritans. In the Church of England at the time, it wasn't too rare that you got into the clergy because you were looking for a cushy job and did favors for the king (fortunately this is less of a problem than in the past, with greater separation of Church and State).
 
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While I probably don't disagree with you much, let's look a little closer at it. Simon Magus didn't offer money to receive the Holy Spirit, but offered money for the power to impart the Holy Spirit to others. That tells us two things. One, Phillip did not have that power. Two, the Apostles did.

With that knowledge, how is the Holy Spirit conveyed?

I think that's jumping to conclusions. This verse in itself doesn't prove a specific theory of apostolic succession. Philip doesn't condemn Simon because he lacks the authority, but because his motivation is wrong. He doesn't want to be a disciple, but a conjurer.
 
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Though it happened anyways, indirectly, at times. That's one of the complaints of the Puritans. In the Church of England at the time, it wasn't too rare that you got into the clergy because you were looking for a cushy job and did favors for the king (fortunately this is less of a problem than in the past, with greater separation of Church and State).

Actually simony was a major problem in the Church of England until the 19th century, with benefices being bought and sold as recently as the 18th century, and also ecclesiastical obligations being attached to some real estate to this day. In the 18th and 19th century, legislative reforms were initiated, but it was not until the 19th century the problem was resolved, and this was a legitimate complaint on the part of the Puritans, and the Roman Catholics alike, in that after the dissolution of the monasteries, which had a disastrous effect on social services in England and Wales, since all hospitals until that time were operated by the religious orders, who did a very good job, unlike the Royal Hospitals that followed, under whose tenure most hospitals such as the Savoy Hospital fell into ruin, and others, such as Bethlehem Hospital, became synonymous with depravity (“Bedlam” being derived from the Cockney pronunciation of Bethlehem). This also happened in Russia when Czar Peter “the Great” as I prefer not to call him sided with the “non-Posessor” faction in the Russian Orthodox Church and laicized a huge amount of church property, closing large numbers of monasteries and church run-hospitals.

Thankfully, nowadays, there are Anglican monasteries and Russian Orthodox hospitals, and in the US the Episcopal Church runs some universities, although not on the scale of the Roman Catholics or Methodists. And simony has of course been eradicated in the Church of England, which is one of the best managed churches in the world when it comes to avoiding various forms of abuse through its comprehensive Safeguarding initiative.

But the Orthodox Church, aside from occasional lapses in the Byzantine Empire and other governments which involved themselves in ecclesiastical affairs which were none of their business, has never had, while functioning autonomously, a major problem with simony, and at present given how poorly most of our clergy are paid the idea is laughable. We have priests making $900/mo or working for free, so if anything, we are guilty of going over to the other extreme in terms of making it impossible for our clergy to make a living as the Apostles said should be the case, and it is a real problem getting cradle Orthodox in some particular churches to donate sufficiently, since they became accustomed to not having to pay for this due to state tithing systems in Europe and due to the ecclesiastical government becoming an ethnarchy under the Millet system of the Ottoman Empire, wherein churches and synagogues became involved in providing courts for Christians and Jews, and the Patriarchs and Chief Rabbis would represent their respective churches and Jewish communities at the Sublime Porte (sometimes unofficially, for example, the Syriac Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East and Yazidis lacked official recognition, but had ethnarchs, who were not, in the case of the Assyrians and Yazidis, the same person as the hierarchs (the Assyrian ethnarch would be the uncle of the Catholicos-Patriarch of the East, and the Yazidi ethnarch was separate from Baba Sheikh, their religious leader.*

* I was just saddened to learn that Khurto Hajji Ismail, who served as Babba Sheikh during the worst of the Syrian Civil War and provided religious leadership to the Yazidis, who have historically been allies of the Christians and hid Armenians during the genocide in 1915, which is why they were allowed to settle in Armenia and represent the largest ethnic minority in that country, died in 2020 - I had not realized he had reposed as I had been distracted by the pandemic, and after al-Baghdadi was killed and Mosul retaken, I was not following the progress of the Yazidis as closely. They suffered the most severe genocidal act in the war, during the massacre of the adult men of Sinjar and the abduction and sexual enslavement of the women and children, who have since been freed, but much harm was caused. It was a genocidal rape, the worst kind of war crime, and one which has happened all too often in recent years. Likewise, while apparently the Antiochian Orthodox nuns abducted by Al Qaeda in the Syriac speaking village of Maaloula in Syria were unharmed, that was a gross violation, and we know that the terrorists regarded nothing as sacred, given their wanton destruction of icons and other acts of vandalism of the local churches.
 
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