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Joe Manchin Quits Democratic Party

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There is no longer a Democratic majority in the Senate
I'd leave the liberal party also, if I was Mr. Manchin.

A lot of my ideologies are more centrist, but in the past, I used to be more liberal, before reading the Bible. Now, my beliefs are more Biblical compared to liberal.

For reference, red = conservative, purple = centrist, and blue = liberal. A combination of colors means ideologies overlap.

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He was never much of a Democrat to being with.
Hmmm. Kinda like Mitt Romney for the GOP; yet he's the liberals and the media's favorite "conservative"
 
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I'd leave the liberal party also, if I was Mr. Manchin.
The Democratic Party is only “liberal” when compared to the GOP.
On the world market of the political-spectrum they’re a center-right party.
 
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But now when Chuck Schumer says jump; he won't be required to say: "how high?"
Manchin never said "how high" to anyone in the Senate. For a while he was jokingly called "President Manchin" because nothing, absolutely nothing, could be passed without his OK. Along with Kristin Sinema. he was a power broker courted by everyone, and he reveled in his power.
 
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Hmmm. Kinda like Mitt Romney for the GOP; yet he's the liberals and the media's favorite "conservative"
Because he broke ranks with his own Party?
Like someone who thinks that he cannot allow himself to be a member of the Party that wouldn’t forgive him for losing to Obama?

It’s not the left’s fault the right doesn’t like one of their own [late] and ostracized him out of the Party.
That’s their own doing.

Sure, the left thinks that this Romney is swell, a principled a Republican is worthy of such high praise!
 
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The Democratic Party is only “liberal” when compared to the GOP.
On the world market of the political-spectrum they’re a center-right party.
That is true, or at least compared to Northern Europe. However, the Northern Europeans do not seem to talk about the gender transformer ideology as much as the liberals in US seem to.
 
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That is true, or at least compared to Northern Europe. However, the Northern Europeans do not seem to talk about the gender transformer ideology as much as the liberals in US seem to.
Am I to take away from this is you’re fine with trans-people existing if they just keep quiet and go away so that you don’t have to hear about it?

Here’s the thing, when an issue is being hotly contested as being worthy to have out in the public-sphere, that is precisely when we have to mark the parameters of this (or that issue).

One side seems to be:
Hey there’s these people here who may need us to offer up our support (mostly by not denigrating them for having a condition that they have no choice in the matter of being ‘alien’ in one’s own body, and we can change their body for them, maybe?

And the other side is more alongs the lines of:
If all this talk of genders was a good thing, we would have done it already and been done with it, oh wait, no, we did to that already (and look it’s all we’ve ever known or needed to know, male, female. end of discussion

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yes, Ok I see the bias as it oozeths forth, TYVM, but this is the bare-bones of both “sides”, in my view.
 
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Am I to take away from this is you’re fine with trans-people existing if they just keep quiet and go away so that you don’t have to hear about it?

Here’s the thing, when an issue is being hotly contested as being worthy to have out in the public-sphere, that is precisely when we have to mark the parameters of this (or that issue).

One side seems to be:
Hey there’s these people here who may need us to offer up our support (mostly by not denigrating them for having a condition that they have no choice in the matter of being ‘alien’ in one’s own body, and we can change their body for them, maybe?

And the other side is more alongs the lines of:
If all this talk of genders was a good thing, we would have done it already and been done with it, oh wait, no, we did to that already (and look it’s all we’ve ever known or needed to know, male, female. end of discussion

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yes, Ok I see the bias as it oozeths forth, TYVM, but this is the bare-bones of both “sides”, in my view.
Yes, I am a guy who cares about protecting our bodies. Yes, I am fine with trans people existing, as long as they keep that stuff to the bedroom, and also keep that stuff out of the public sphere. If I had a son or daughter, I would keep him/her away from politics (from both parties), and give him/her the choice to study the Bible, or study God's creation or anything else.

Like, would I tell everyone that I have a crush on a gal or guy? Probably not. But yes, I do pray for the transgender folks, that these folks may slowly realize that it is okay to not want to transition, and remain the sex assigned at birth.


But, I do get your point. My favorite Christian figure of the 20th century, MLK, made changes for the world, for the better, as he spoke out against oppression.

Martin Luther King Jr., the civil rights leader and Baptist minister was a Christian historical figure who experienced rejection and fulfilled God's mission despite facing obstacles. Throughout his career, King advocated for racial equality and social justice through nonviolent means, inspiring millions of people around the world.

However, King also faced fierce opposition from those who opposed his message of unity and equality. He received numerous death threats, was arrested multiple times, and ultimately assassinated at the age of 39. Despite these challenges, King remained committed to his cause and believed that he was carrying out God's will. In his famous "I Have a Dream" speech, he declared, "With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood."

King's unwavering commitment to justice and equality continues to inspire generations of activists and believers today, demonstrating how one person can make a profound impact on the world when they align themselves with God's purposes and remain steadfast in the face of adversity.
 
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Yes, I am a guy who cares about protecting our bodies. Yes, I am fine with trans people existing, as long as they keep that stuff to the bedroom, and also keep that stuff out of the public sphere. If I had a son or daughter, I would keep him/her away from politics (from both parties), and give him/her the choice to study the Bible, or study God's creation or anything else.
If “protecting our children” (by shutting them away until they are old-enough to ”understand”), without seeing how a “good citizen” takes a disappointing election result, like a rational, functional, human being, then maybe I shouldn’t raise children?
 
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Hmmm. Kinda like Mitt Romney for the GOP; yet he's the liberals and the media's favorite "conservative"
He stood up to Trump. The bar is pretty low for a conservative.
 
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