SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

[BCP1928]

Yes it is. If it weren't they wouldn't be demanding it. They would.just leave it as "I wanna dress up like a woman and be called Sally".

That's obvious.

Yes that's rhe goal as I said.

You make it sound like they are getting something they don't deserve, some real privilege. They're really not. Have you ever been in a women's rest room? When I was a kid I had a summer job which included cleaning rest rooms. The men's was usually pretty clean ,except for the floor around the urinals. The women's could be counted on to be a right pig sty

Yes it is.

I'm jealous. My pronouns don't have that awesome magical power.

And our seeing of people was accurate.

How do you know? Did you check their genitals?

Now we are being told we can't. We aren't allowed to.do that anymore. We can't believe our eyes, our ears our rationality. We have to enter a pretend world and follow another person's faith.

We never used to gender guess. We still don't. We should do it the same way. It's much easier if we just call a man a be or a female a she. It's as simple as that. It's the gender believers that are confusing things.

Nonsense. We always go by superficial appearance. Genital checking is hardly ever done in workplace settings.

 

[BCP1928]

I gave you several analogies to show how your options don't work.

What about a culture where there are four accepted gender categories, instead of just two like we have? How would you respond to that?

 

[rjs330]

You make it sound like they are getting something they don't deserve, some real privilege.

Yup. The privilege to enter women's spaces and to demand we alter our language just so they can have justification to do just that.

I'm jealous. My pronouns don't have that awesome magical power.

Yes they do. Thats why you get enter men's spaces.

How do you know? Did you check their genitals?

What is with you guys and your obsession with genitalia?

Nonsense. We always go by superficial appearance. Genital checking is hardly ever done in workplace settings.

Again with the genitalia? We've always gone by our eyes, our ears, our rationality. The other day I saw a trans woman. He was about 6'4" was built like a man had complete man features, whiskers, large man hands everything. Except he had long hair and boob's. A man. Now I can't trust any of my senses but have to believe that he is a woman. Why? Because he believes he is. Based on what? Feelings? This that cannot be proven or tested in any fashion. It has to be taken on faith. That's a religion. I dont believe in rhat religion. And I shouldn't be forced to participate in it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

What about a culture where there are four accepted gender categories, instead of just two like we have?

I don't think you understand those cultures half as well as you think.

 

[rturner76]

I don't think you understand those cultures half as well as you think

Sorry ti but in here but YOU don't understand anything about it at all. You only understand your own logic and have no regard for the opinion of the medical or mental health community.

 

[rjs330]

What about a culture where there are four accepted gender categories, instead of just two like we have? How would you respond to that?

I often find rhat those cultures are no different than ours. They still have the binary. They also recognize, just like we do, that the binary does not mean everyone is exactly the same. Not all men are exactly the same and not all women are exactly to same. Some cultures also recognize the realities of mental health issues as well. People are all different and each culture had their own expectations of gender roles. Some men like to cook and clean and sew. Some women like to hunt and fish and build. But none of those personality differences have anything to do with the gender binary. Like I've said for umpteen posts now. It seems that the left are the ones who actually want to pigeon hole people into gender roles.

 

[rjs330]

Sorry ti but in here but YOU don't understand anything about it at all. You only understand your own logic and have no regard for the opinion of the medical or mental health community.

I'm afraid it's you who has no regard for that. That's very evident. Because your opinions aren't matching the discoveries and science.

 

[rturner76]

Like I've said for umpteen posts now. It seems that the left are the ones who actually want to pigeon hole people into gender roles.

It's more like the medical community wants to create criteria that decide how to diagnose someone who believes they are not the gender they were born as. It's conservatives that see this disorder simply as a character defect.

 

[rturner76]

I'm afraid it's you who has no regard for that. That's very evident. Because your opinions aren't matching the discoveries and science.

Back at 'cha. Gender Dysphoria is clearly defined in the DSM-5 criteria as a mental disorder. Being a man and thinking you are a woman is clearly dis-ordered thinking and if they want their treatment of said gender dysphoria, they have to cop to it.

 

[Pommer]

I often find rhat those cultures are no different than ours. They still have the binary. They also recognize, just like we do, that the binary does not mean everyone is exactly the same. Not all men are exactly the same and not all women are exactly to same. Some cultures also recognize the realities of mental health issues as well. People are all different and each culture had their own expectations of gender roles. Some men like to cook and clean and sew. Some women like to hunt and fish and build. But none of those personality differences have anything to do with the gender binary. Like I've said for umpteen posts now. It seems that the left are the ones who actually want to pigeon hole people into gender roles.

Yes, but in some cultures the tiny minority of people who do not conform to the society’s “gender norms” are celebrated and affirmed, not chastised and vilified.
Why is our way better?

 

[rturner76]

Why is our way better?

I'm just guessing but maybe it's better because we get to point the finger at someone else's sin and at the same time magnify our own righteousness thereby confirming our superiority in all things related to not being "normal."

 

[BCP1928]

Yup. The privilege to enter women's spaces and to demand we alter our language just so they can have justification to do just that.

Why do you think they are so eager to enter women's spaces? How do you think your use of their preferred pronouns will help?

Yes they do. Thats why you get enter men's spaces.

Women enter men's spaces, too, even though they don't have my pronouns.

What is with you guys and your obsession with genitalia?

Again with the genitalia? We've always gone by our eyes, our ears, our rationality.

Right, and if you can't come to a workable conclusion that way then it doesn't matter. The only place it matters is at work or at some other professional ocasion, and then the boss will tell you.

The other day I saw a trans woman. He was about 6'4" was built like a man had complete man features, whiskers, large man hands everything. Except he had long hair and boob's. A man. Now I can't trust any of my senses but have to believe that he is a woman.

Men sometimes have boobs naturally, too, and the hair really doesn't tell you anything any more, except in highly structured situations. But if you only saw him how did you know what he wanted you to believe?

Why? Because he believes he is. Based on what? Feelings? This that cannot be proven or tested in any fashion. It has to be taken on faith. That's a religion. I dont believe in rhat religion. And I shouldn't be forced to participate in it.

No, you take him at his word. He says, he believes he feels like a woman. I would take him at his word, that he believes he feels like a woman. I don't even have to believe that it is possible for him to feel like a woman to accept that he believes that he does. I only have to believe that he believes it, and that really does not take very much "faith."

 

[rjs330]

It's more like the medical community wants to create criteria that decide how to diagnose someone who believes they are not the gender they were born as. It's conservatives that see this disorder simply as a character defect.

Lol, no one has said that. First we are blasted.for calling it a disorder now we are being blasted for not calling it a disorder. So which is it?

 

[BCP1928]

I often find rhat those cultures are no different than ours.

How many have you experienced?

They still have the binary. They also recognize, just like we do,

I didn't know you had become a liberal

that the binary does not mean everyone is exactly the same. Not all men are exactly the same and not all women are exactly to same. Some cultures also recognize the realities of mental health issues as well. People are all different and each culture had their own expectations of gender roles. Some men like to cook and clean and sew. Some women like to hunt and fish and build. But none of those personality differences have anything to do with the gender binary. Like I've said for umpteen posts now. It seems that the left are the ones who actually want to pigeon hole people into gender roles.

But you are talking about gender expressed as behaviors, not the interior feelings which lead to those behaviors, A man who likes to cook and sew may be trans, or he may be just a man who like to cook and sew.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Sorry ti but in here but YOU don't understand anything about it at all.

Uh huh.

You only understand your own logic

It's just logic...it's not mine lol. Anyone is free to use it.

and have no regard for the opinion

We're discussing opinions? Not facts?

of the medical or mental health community

 

[BCP1928]

I don't think you understand those cultures half as well as you think.

I think I don't understand them very much at all. But I lived and worked in Samoa for several years where four accepted genders are in play and interacted with them and observed how they functioned in the workplace and casual social situations.

 

[Ana the Ist]

No, you take him at his word. He says, he believes he feels like a woman. I would take him at his word, that he believes he feels like a woman. I don't even have to believe that it is possible for him to feel like a woman to accept that he believes that he does. I only have to believe that he believes it, and that really does not take very much "faith."

Even if you believe it....it doesn't make him a woman.

 

[rjs330]

Back at 'cha. Gender Dysphoria is clearly defined in the DSM-5 criteria as a mental disorder. Being a man and thinking you are a woman is clearly dis-ordered thinking and if they want their treatment of said gender dysphoria, they have to cop to it.

Thats what we say. But somehow we are wrong for saying it. Funny how that works. It's rhe left that continues to try and tell.us that we can't say that. Yet here you are saying it. And you are upset at us? Makes no sense. You agree with us.

Now what do we do about the kids? Because it's rhe treatment of kids that this thread is about.

 

[rjs330]

Yes, but in some cultures the tiny minority of people who do not conform to the society’s “gender norms” are celebrated and affirmed, not chastised and vilified.
Why is our way better?

What culture are you referring g to exactly?

 

[BCP1928]

Even if you believe it....it doesn't make him a woman.

And?