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Tell me about tolerance as it applies to the teenage kid who was beaten up in a school bathroom in Oklahoma. Tell me about tolerance as it applies to an Oklahoma State Senator who, after the kid committed suicide, described her to that body as "an example of the kind of filth that needs to be removed from Oklahoma Schools."
I'm not claiming to always be perfect at this either, but don't respond to trolling. Not even to "be funny", because they feed off the energy good or bad.
But since gender conventions in language are merely conventions, you are just following conventions. It would be entirely possible to extend the convention such that "he" meant a trans man as well as a biological man and "she" meant trans women as well as biological women.
Your permission is not needed.
It doesn't affirm anything except your willingness to treat them as a member of the opposite sex in social and workplace situations. It doesn't commit you to any affirmation or belief about what their reproductive organs might be.
That's easy. You use male gender for a person who is a biological male or who wishes to be treated like one in social or workplace situations. You use female gender for a person who is a biological female or who wishes to be treated like one in workplace or social situations. In doing so you have made no ontological affirmation at all.
The kid was beaten up in the girls room by a transgender female. One who should not have been in the girls room. Oklahoma law prohibits transgirls from using the girls room in the schools. They may use thier own private bathroom. But the transfemale refused to do so. This boy went into girls room and beat up another member of the LGBT community.
Of course it's possible. But he refers to makes and she refers to females. The pronouns do not refer to trans people because they are NOT the opposite sex. If you change the language to mean the proper sex AND the opposite then those pronouns are actually meaningless. This is all part of the age da to make biological sex meaningless. So that allows men in women's spaces. Because that's the goal.
Yes it is. Men are not women. Boys are not girls and girls are not boys. In order for makes to use women's spaces they need permission to do so. And when you affirm them as female then you have given them the permission.
Yes it dies and I've proven that to you. It's an affirmation of a belief system. A new faith. A faith that seeks to change society by force of law and policy. At least you admit it is treating them as a member of the opposite sex even if they aren't. You do get the point.
Niw we fall back on the definition of man and woman. He refers to a man and she refers to woman. So if you want to change he and she you must also define man and woman.
I already defined it in practical terms for social and workplace situations where pronouns are in use with third persons. A man is a person with male reproductive organs or a person without male reproductive organs who wishes to be treated as a man in social or workplace situations. A woman is a person with female reproductive organs or a person without female reproductive organs who wishes to be treated as a woman in social and workplace situations.
HaHa. No, it's not really the goal. The thing is, progressives have been exceedingly bone-headed about the whole thing of "women's spaces."
You can't give them permission. If it is legal, then there is nothing you can do about it.
I do get the point. It was my main and only point. Because that is all that is being required of you. The thing is, that you gender people, especially in the workplace, by superficial appearance and deportment. You do it in that brief split second as some intuition tells you whether the person in front of you is a man or a woman Dress is one, physical figure is one Or maybe you get a letter signed "Mr." or "Ms" There are many other clues as well. Now, the traditional understanding of what a man is or what a woman is depends heavily (for some of you, entirely) on which set of reproductive organs the person has. But none of the information we commonly used to decide on the gender of another person has anything at all with which reproductive organs the person has. In ordinary situations we take for granted that the person has the usual ones, but it is none of our business, really, and in social and workplace situations of the ordinary kind, it really doesn't make any difference. But what does make a difference is if all the individuals gender-guessing each are doing it roughly in the same way. You could imagine the confusion it would cause in corporate communication if some called a person he and some she. And that was my point.treat them as a member of the opposite sex even if they aren't. Using preferred pronouns really is not making any profound statement on the fundamental nature of man and woman. The next question is, are you validating their behavior by going along with it? Some people say yes because they approve of it. Some people say yes because they disapprove of it. But what is that "validation" really worth, anyway, if the recipient is well aware that it is being bestowed only in accordance with company policy?
It can't be both. Either a man is a human with male biology or he's not. You've just made a non definition. Its like saying water is a substance composed of the chemical elements hydrogen and oxygen and existing in gaseous, liquid, and solid states, except when its not.
He could be a human with male biology who wanted to be treated as a woman at work
No, I gave you four options, not two
A human can be a human person who wishes to be treated as a cat. You can call them a cat without having to believe or endorse the idea that they are anything other than a human person who wishes to be treated as a cat.
Yes it is. If it weren't they wouldn't be demanding it. They would.just leave it as "I wanna dress up like a woman and be called Sally".
That's obvious.
Yes that's rhe goal as I said.
Yes it is.
And our seeing of people was accurate. Now we are being told we can't. We aren't allowed to.do that anymore. We can't believe our eyes, our ears our rationality. We have to enter a pretend world and follow another person's faith.
We never used to gender guess. We still don't. We should do it the same way. It's much easier if we just call a man a be or a female a she. It's as simple as that. It's the gender believers that are confusing things.
Yes.
They may know that, but it is still validating to them.or they wouldn't have demanded it. This is the one mental health I'llness that they claim is cured by other people rather than their own activities.
That's still a man who is pretending to be a woman, but they aren't a woman.
I gave you several analogies to show how your options don't work.
In other words they are not a cat. You can treat them as a cat if you wish, by giving them catnip, and scratching them under their chin if you want, but no.one else should be obligated to change their litter box. You can if you want to.
