Conviction Ensures Trump Victory

[rambot]

I'm sure you know they're talking about stuff like this which is growing exponentially:

I'm not a fool. I know EXACTLY what is happenning.


I also know that you cannot compare the situations.

America could solve it's homelessness situation with LITERALLY one piece of legislation that sends money to the people who need it. Because there is a LOT of money in the US. The problems are actually EASILY solvable, but for some, the solutions are tasteless.


In the Democratic Republic of Congo, there is no solution to homelessness. Of course, I'm not convinced they would count people living in tents as homeless in the DRC. Because it's that bad.

 

[dzheremi]

So it's about feelings?

Remember when the right's mantra was "Facts don't care about your feelings"? What a load of nonsense that turned out to be...

 

[ozso]

I'm not a fool. I know EXACTLY what is happenning.


I also know that you cannot compare the situations.

America could solve it's homelessness situation with LITERALLY one piece of legislation that sends money to the people who need it. Because there is a LOT of money in the US. The problems are actually EASILY solvable, but for some, the solutions are tasteless.

Do you really think paying them is going to get them to drop their vices and change their lifestyle? Remember when they were moved into nice hotels and they destroyed them? Being enabled by too much liberalism is what's led to such a decline in our society.

In the Democratic Republic of Congo, there is no solution to homelessness. Of course, I'm not convinced they would count people living in tents as homeless in the DRC. Because it's that bad.

You and others keep coming up with inapplicable comparisons to refute the applicable ones.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I understand Trumps donations website shut down due to too many people giving donations. Great article for those biased away from power and toward Gof given Liberty.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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I don't understand how people who call themselves Christians can support Trump no matter what.
I concede that Biden is no optimal choice. But I do not worship him or defend him no matter what.

 

[rambot]

Do you really think paying them is going to get them to drop their vices and change their lifestyle?

Why are you talking about them as if they are a huge monolith? Yes there are DEFINITELY people with "vices" or "lifestyle choices" that keep them on the street.

But the massive recent influx of homelessness isn't due to that. It's due to skyrocketting greedflation, specifically in the housing market.

And yes....I DO think that if you give people a stable home, many of them will straighten out....
Read up on Finland's findings....here's a short vid:

I haven't yet figured out Christians, who should be extending mercy and grace to others, ask questions like this. As if those poor people "aren't even worth trying to help"....because that seems to be the implication.

You and others keep coming up with inapplicable comparisons to refute the applicable ones.

Uh. I used that as an example to show that the US is not like a third world nation. It's perfectly applicable.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

What statute under NY law did President Trump violate

NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov

www.nysenate.gov

x 34.

 

[rambot]

Why is it that people who support Trump and seem to have all the answers as to why he's not guilty....


Have to be told what he's been charged with? Honestly folks, do the people and sources you listen and read not explain these things to you? And, why would you feel informed or righteous in your position if you don't know what he's charged with?

 

[Tinker Grey]

NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov

www.nysenate.gov

x 34.

Perhaps you can help. I absolutely understand convicting Trump on falsifying business records. The part I'm having trouble understanding (and which news outlets have been unhelpful) is what the crime was that there was intent to aid or conceal.

It can't be paying hush money in and of itself; I can give money to anyone anytime if it suits me. It can't be trying to influence an election; every politician does that every day.

What NY law was being broken and thus covered up?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Why is it that people who support Trump and seem to have all the answers as to why he's not guilty....


Have to be told what he's been charged with? Honestly folks, do the people and sources you listen and read not explain these things to you? And, why would you feel informed or righteous in your position if you don't know what he's charged with?

Welcome to Magadonia.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Perhaps you can help. I absolutely understand convicting Trump on falsifying business records. The part I'm having trouble understanding (and which news outlets have been unhelpful) is what the crime was that there was intent to aid or conceal.

It can't be paying hush money in and of itself; I can give money to anyone anytime if it suits me. It can't be trying to influence an election; every politician does that every day.

What NY law was being broken and thus covered up?

I believe it was election interference. I've seen the wording from the DA, something like "promoting or preventing the lawful election of an official through unlawful acts" or something like that. Statute 63(12) I believe? It's a relatively broad law in the vain of RICO statutes. Basically, it's a conspiracy add-on to other criminal acts.

Given that, even if, he hadn't been convicted of violating that statute, the falsifying business records would still be felonies on their own.

Obviously, I'm not a lawyer and I could have something wrong or confused. Just recounting what I've gleaned from multiple sources. I actually haven't been able to find the court docs and indictments themselves, but I admittedly haven't looked too hard for them.

 

[rambot]

Perhaps you can help. I absolutely understand convicting Trump on falsifying business records. The part I'm having trouble understanding (and which news outlets have been unhelpful) is what the crime was that there was intent to aid or conceal.

It can't be paying hush money in and of itself; I can give money to anyone anytime if it suits me. It can't be trying to influence an election; every politician does that every day.

What NY law was being broken and thus covered up?

If I'm reading the statute right, falsifying business records does not require a crime taking place to be illegal (of course I don't see the 2nd degree definition)

§ 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree.

A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree
when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second
degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit
another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.

Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony.

 

[KCfromNC]

It's more in regards to election interference and law enforcement being political.

My understand was that election interference was only one of the possible criminal actions that the jury might have used to decide that Trump's payments were a felony. It could also have been the other illegal activities tied to the payments - falsification of business records or tax law violations.

See more detail here : What was Trump convicted of? Details on the 34 counts and his guilty verdict

 

[BPPLEE]

The election is likely to be won by a single-digit difference this year. The percentages shown in that article should be enough to shift the race in President Biden's favor, especially in some of the swing states. Looking at the current poll numbers in the swing states of Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona, and North Carolina and comparing them to the percentage of those who say a guilty verdict will make them less likely to support Trump; President Biden wins the election.

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That’s why they didn’t worry about reversible errors, they just wanted to be able to say Trump is a convicted felon.

 

[BPPLEE]

If I'm reading the statute right, falsifying business records does not require a crime taking place to be illegal (of course I don't see the 2nd degree definition)

§ 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree.

A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree
when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second
degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit
another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.

Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony.

There had to be a crime allegedly being concealed by the falsification of records to make it a felony. The judge told the jury they could pick one of three and they didn’t have to agree which one it was.


1. Violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act
2. Falsification of other business records.
3. Tax law violations

 

[BPPLEE]

Being not even an amateur atty, you are easily
misled.

Just remember. America's enemies are real,
they are smart they are many, tireless, and
utterly unsentimental about your so- touted
Democaracy, freedoms, and values.

And why would we be? You people don't
even believe in your institutions yourselves.


Go ahead and grind eachother up.

There will be no angel with flaming sword
guarding the gates to your trailer parks from the
hordes that will take everything you have.


While you blame eachother.

The hordes have already crossed the border

 

[rambot]

There had to be a crime allegedly being concealed by the falsification of records to make it a felony. The judge told the jury they could pick one of three and they didn’t have to agree which one it was.


1. Violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act
2. Falsification of other business records.
3. Tax law violations

NO disrespect but could you link to the law that outlines this?

Ok.... A crime had to ALLEGEDLY be concealed which means it doesn't have to be proven (which would require unanimity).

An individual jurour just only needs to understand that there was an alleged crime. That "alleged" crime doesn't need to be proven...because he was charged with covering UP the crime.

As I understand it.

 

[durangodawood]

....
There will be no angel with flaming sword
guarding the gates to your trailer parks from the
hordes that will take everything you have.
....

Estrid, Ive seen you deploy this as part of your routine before. Its pretty great.

 

[BPPLEE]

NO disrespect but could you link to the law that outlines this?

Ok.... A crime had to ALLEGEDLY be concealed which means it doesn't have to be proven (which would require unanimity).

An individual jurour just only needs to understand that there was an alleged crime. That "alleged" crime doesn't need to be proven...because he was charged with covering UP the crime.

As I understand it.

It’s the NY election law that allowed the DA to make the misdemeanor a felony. Doesn’t sound constitutional @RocksInMyHead may be able to point you to it

 

[Astrid]

Estrid, Ive seen you deploy this as part of your routine before. Its pretty great.

Guess I did say it before.

Maybe a different way to say it is in order.

 

[durangodawood]

Routine?

I am 100% sincere.

But maybe a different way to say it is in order.

I believe you.

I just say routine because I feel like Ive seen the exact same thing before. But its worth bringing out again for those who might have missed it the first time.

Americans can be pretty smug. Will be interesting to see how things go when the dollar start to slip as the world finds alternatives. We probably still have a decade to party tho.