Conviction Ensures Trump Victory

[NxNW]

Have you not read that the swing States are swining toward Trump?

Swining? As in pearls before ... ?

 

[Astrid]

This was a fair trial, except …

1. There Was No Crime.
   1. Paying someone not to talk is not a crime.
2. Statute Of Limitations Expired.
   1. Even if there was a crime.
3. Prosecutorial Abuse of Power/Overcharging.
   1. The allegation of business misrepresentations is, at most, a mistake. It should be handled in a civil case, if not merely a misdemeanor.
   2. The rationalization of multiple counts (34) is based on campaign financing reporting, not repeated incidents of a crime.
4. Prosecutorial Abuse of Power/Undercharging.
   1. Campaign finance reporting was made, in part, due to Prosecutors Witness, (Cohen) who testified he stole $50,000.00 from Defendant.
   2. Not only, was he not charged, this makes Defendant the victim in the proceeding.
5. Judge Refused Change Of Venue.
   1. Defendant is political opponent and the district the prosecutor filed charges had the highest % of votes against him in the 2020 election.
   2. It is not reasonable to expect a fair trial with a jury of his peers.
6. Judge Refused To Recuse Himself.
   1. Judge and daughter of judge were donors to the Defendant’s political opponent.
7. Violation of 1st Amendment. Gag Order
   1. Defendant was repeatedly punished for publicly pointing out the political motivations of the officers of the court.
   2. His 1st Amendment rights were deprived when he needed them most – when he was at risk of losing life, liberty and property at the hands of a tyrannical State.
8. Violation of 6th Amendment:
   1. Charge was not specified. It is impossible to defend against an unspecified charge.
9. Violation of 8th Amendment:
   1. Excessive punishment. 4 years in jail per count is a life sentence for a non-crime, a misdemeanor, at most. Such punishment is not merely cruel and unusual, it’s unheard of and unprecedented.
10. Defense Not Allowed To Bring Witnesses.
    1. FEC Commissioner would have explained what a campaign contribution is and what it is not. This expert witness would destroy one of the elements of the complaint.
    2. Another witness would have not corroborated lying witnesses’ testimony.
11. Judge Failed To Dismiss Case With Grounds.
    1. Prosecutions witness lied, leaving Defendant with no credible witnesses against him.
12. Improper Jury Instructions
    1. Normally, jury instructions are about 5 pages and written copies given to the jury.
    2. In this case, the jury instructions were 54 pages and only provided to the jury verbally.
    3. Judge specifically told jury that certain pieces of evidence could be considered sufficient to convict.
    4. The instructions included not having to agree that a crime was committed, which is another 6th Amendment violation.
    5. The instructions included not having to be unanimous on counts for the judge to deem the verdict as unanimous.

I really haven’t been paying attention. If I had and I were a professional attorney, I might be able to compile more arguments why this will be vacated upon appeal. Those involved should be disbarred and convicted themselves.

Being not even an amateur atty, you are easily
misled.

Just remember. America's enemies are real,
they are smart they are many, tireless, and
utterly unsentimental about your so- touted
Democaracy, freedoms, and values.

And why would we be? You people don't
even believe in your institutions yourselves.


Go ahead and grind eachother up.

There will be no angel with flaming sword
guarding the gates to your trailer parks from the
hordes that will take everything you have.


While you blame eachother.

 

[wing2000]

You mean like were there's lots of crime, drugs and people living in squalor?

No, I mean where judges who enforce the law are executed.

 

[Astrid]

Swining? As in pearls before ... ?

Not the swining of America!!
Surely not.

For all that I am a citizen of America's enemy,
I am a fan of the USA, deeply distressed by
the state of the country.

Honestly if Biden, or much more so, Trump
had any sense of decency they'd both have
long since volunteered for the obscurity they
so richly deserve.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

Not a good start to the argument.

Sure it is. This is couched as "hush money" trial. So, we have to start there.

 

[durangodawood]

Sure it is. This is couched as "hush money" trial. So, we have to start there.

Starting with reality is best. Dont fuss about what some people call it.

They say "hush money" just to poke at Trump for his infidelities. But the court doesnt call it that. It could have been a payment for a car as far as the law is concerned, if the car was a campaign expense.

 

[ozso]

No, I mean where judges who enforce the law are executed.

Even RFK Jr. is comparing this to what goes on in a banana republic.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

Starting with reality is best.

I did. Don't confuse a jury verdict with facts. This is like confusing reality with politics. If 51% of the population says Jesus is not the Messiah, do you reply well, you dictate reality?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Even RFK Jr. is comparing this to what goes on in a banana republic.

Yeah, there's a guy known for his reasonable, sensible takes on things.

 

[durangodawood]

I did. Don't confuse a jury verdict with facts. This is like confusing reality with politics. If 51% of the population says Jesus is not the Messiah, do you reply well, you dictate reality?

What are you talking about? That has nothing to do with the question of is this about "hush money" as you claimed.

 

[ozso]

Yeah, there's a guy known for his reasonable, sensible takes on things.

That's good to hear.

 

[ViaCrucis]

And Trump and his supporters gracefully accept those results, just like they did last time, only with much, much more fervor.
Last time was just a practice run at acceptance and humility, I'm sure they'll get it much better this time.
double-down, double-down, double-down... the more you do it, the more it's the only thing you can do

Aggressively accepting defeat. The way that Israel is aggressively seeking peace in Gaza.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[rambot]

You mean like were there's lots of crime, drugs and people living in squalor?

If you actually are asking that, it's clear you've never been to a third world country.

 

[Belk]

I just love the smell of napalm in the morning. Don't you? https://myfox8.com/news/politics/nc...ump-with-independents-in-3-states-poll-finds/

What a time to be alive to experience democracy in action. Does anyone who is not a rabid Democrat think that was a fair trial?

Yes. As do most legal experts.

Let's list here the many reasons this will be overturned on appeal. We've reduced ourselves to a 3rd world banana republic, using the levers of power against political opponents.I suspect poll numbers and donations to Trump will rise after this display, which was a forgone conclusion. This will be glorious.

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The irony of quoting a movie dedicated to showcasing the issues of demagoguery is palpable.

 

[wing2000]

Even RFK Jr. is comparing this to what goes on in a banana republic.

...as if citing RFK Jr lends *any credibility*

edit - I listened to the first 2 minutes of the interview.....JFK is repeating is simply repeating the Trump talking points (weaponization of the justice dept, etc).

JFK Jr, the Op and I suspect many here have no idea what a real banana republic looks like. I will say there are some similarities when a former POTUS verbally attacks our justices system on daily basis. He undermined our election system in 2020. Now, he has his eyes on the justice system.

I and many other Americans will not allow an authoritarian despot ruin our country's institutions.

 

[7thKeeper]

Falsification of records in order to facilitate the use of certain types of funds as the "moneys to be paid", is.

I'm sorry, I'm going to go off topic a little bit but this is a pet peeve of mine.

no.
No.
NO!

There is no such word in the English language as "moneys". It's just "money". It's an abstract concept and not a calculable one. We cannot go: one money, two moneys, three moneys, etc.
There is no amount of money that causes it go from money to moneys. $5 is money, $10 is still money, not 2 moneys.
It's always just money...

Now that I got that out of my system, back to the regularly scheduled programming.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

...as if citing RFK Jr lends *any credibility*

What would lend credibility to this trial being a sham?

 

[wing2000]

What would lend credibility to this trial being a sham?

It was not a sham.

Donald Trump was found guilty by 12 of our fellow citizens after carefully evaluating the evidence presented over the course of 4 weeks.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

I understand Trumps donations website shut down due to too many people giving donations. Great article for those biased away from power and toward Gof given Liberty.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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[Belk]

What would lend credibility to this trial being a sham?

International court watchers calling it a sham.
Large numbers of legal professionals objecting to how it is run.
Non partisan watchdog groups raising concerns.
Legal organizations showcasing the issues with the trials.