Gods sabbath rest

[davetaff]

No, I do not believe that Creation was a 1000 years, but was just the way God said it was. He spoke it and it was so. It was a literal week, just like the Sabbath is the seventh day, not 1000 days. Just as God said it was. Exo 20:10 And why almost all ancient languages the Sabbath translates into Saturday. Why would God give a commandment to keep the Sabbath day holy if man doesn't even barely live 100 years yet alone 1000 years. That would be pointless and that's not the God we serve,

Otherwise we can't believe the stories of the scriptures. for example, in the wilderness for 40 years God supplied manna every day with a double portion on the sixth day for the Sabbath. So the way you interpret scripture would have the Israelites living over 1000's of years and not eating during that time, which is impossible.

God kept the Sabbath Exo 20:11 Jesus kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16, the apostles kept the Sabbath Acts 18:4 and His faithful followers kept the Sabbath Luke 23:56. Nothing about only keeping it in the future and we can profane today. That didn't work out so well for the Israelites Eze 20:13 Eze 20:21 Something we are warned not to follow their example of disobedience Heb 4:11

Guess we will have to agree to disagree. I wish you well in seeking Truth to God's Word.

Hi Sabbathblessing thank you for your reply we can agree to dis agree but please do not misquote me I have never said creation was a 1000 years long what I have said is creation of man in Gods image is 7 days long and each day is a 1000 years long.
Everything God created before the flood was destroyed in the flood the only thing missing after the flood was man in the image of God so God set about rectifying it the first man in his image he created was Israel which did not work out so God began a new creation with Jesus Christ which is not yet completed.
Our Sabbaths are only a mirror image of Gods sabbath rest which we can enter into

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

So Gods rest is something we can enter into so it must be a future event and the only be Christ millennium when everything is handed over to Christ to finish the creation of man in the image of God.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Diamond72]

creation was a 1000 years long what I have said is creation of man in Gods image is 7 days long and each day is a 1000 years long.

Creation happened in an instant in one thousand of a thousand of a thousandth of a second. In a very brief moment of time, at the beginning nothing has been added. At the beginning all the laws of physics existed. We also reads in Genesis Chapter one about creation taking place in six 24 hour days. The mystery is how all the days can be created in a single 24 hour day. Also a day is 1,000 years. Then a day is also 8 billion years. You have to look at the Hebrew and the different words used in the different creation accounts. From their own perspective all the different accounts are true. Evolution talks about how we began as pond scum. A sexual reproduction became sexual. We see this in the story of God created Eve from the side of Adam.

 

[davetaff]

Hi Diomond7 thank you for your reply not much of what you say can be backed up by scripture and everything created before the flood was destroyed in the flood except for everything on the ark.
The first Adam was destroyed in the flood there was no man in the image of God so God began to creat one it would take 6 days 1000 years long the end result Jesus Christ and his body of believers this is man in the image of God.

‭1 Corinthians 15:45-49 ESV‬
[45] Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. [46] But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. [47] The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. [48] As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. [49] Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:45-49 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. The first | English Standard Version

Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. The first

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So its the natural man that comes first that would be Israel then comes the spiritual man that is Jesus Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hi Sabbathblessing thank you for your reply we can agree to dis agree but please do not misquote me I have never said creation was a 1000 years long what I have said is creation of man in Gods image is 7 days long and each day is a 1000 years long.

I apologize, I meant to says 1000's of years, but as shown through the scripture if creation was 7000 years instead of 7 literal days than it makes most of the stories fictional like the Israelites depending on God for their daily manna and not eating for a 1000 years which would be impossible.

Everything God created before the flood was destroyed in the flood the only thing missing after the flood was man in the image of God so God set about rectifying it the first man in his image he created was Israel which did not work out so God began a new creation with Jesus Christ which is not yet completed.
Our Sabbaths are only a mirror image of Gods sabbath rest which we can enter into

I believe our Sabbaths are exactly how God commanded them to be Exo 20:8-11 Isa 58:13-14 Isa 56:1-6, the question is do we believe God to live by His every Word.

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

So Gods rest is something we can enter into so it must be a future event and the only be Christ millennium when everything is handed over to Christ to finish the creation of man in the image of God.

There's a few issues with the theory that the "rest" being referred to is only a future Sabbath rest instead of following the context of the passages.
Hebrews was written decades after the Cross. At the Cross Jesus ratified His Covenant- nothing could be added or subtracted from it- It Is Finished. So no new doctrine can be added.

After the Cross- the Sabbath rest remained according to the commandment Luke 23:56 Exo 20:8-11

Jesus in His own Words said the Sabbath would be kept decades after the cross at the destruction of Jerusalem Mat 24:20- was Jesus wrong here? He also said not a jot or tittle can be pass from God's law Mat 58:13 because God said He would not alter His Words Psa 89:34

It's why the apostles kept every Sabbath decades after the Cross Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44 because they were servants of Christ and Christ in His own Words said the Sabbath is something man does Isa 56:1-6 rest according to the commandment Luke 23:56 Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27, not the Sabbath is some future event and we can profane it now.

You need to read Hebrews 4 in its proper context, which starts in Hebrews 3 which is mainly quoting OT scripture, so we would need to be familiar with the story of Joshua in the wilderness before leading the Israelites into Canaan (their rest) Hebrews 4 is referring to rebellion and disobedience to God Heb 4:6 Heb 4:11 and why many of the Israelites did not enter their rest in Canaan, which is a type of heaven. It mentions David because it is a direct quote of what David said in Psalms 95 so this is not anything new, nor changing the Sabbath. The passage is warning us not to also disobey God and be in rebellion to Him Heb 3:7-8 Heb 4:6 Heb 4:11 so we can enter our rest in Christ. In Christ rest there is no rebellion to Him or His commandments Isa 48:18. This passage refers to the Israelites disobediences in the wilderness (which is where we are now) they rebelled against God, His commandments and in particular the Sabbath Eze 20:13 Eze 20:21 and why we are told the Sabbath rest remains for God’s people Heb 4:9NIV, the Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke 23:56. Hebrews is a tough passage to understand because there are two rests mentioned not one- Christ rest and the Sabbath rest which is the seventh day Exo 20:10 Heb 4:4 Gen 2:1-3, Jesus in His own Words says He is Lord OF the Sabbath. Mat 2:28 He also says not a jot or tittle can be edited from His law Mat 5:18 -30 because no one is above God. Only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20 so one would need a thus saith the Lord to change the Word that proceed from the mouth of God- God said He won’t change them Psa 89:34 Hebrews 4:11. The apostles kept every Sabbath as the day they preached God’s Word to Jews and Gentiles alike Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42, this is 30 some years after the cross, thats a lot of Sabbath day keeping,

Love and Peace
Dave

Same.

 

[Diamond72]

Hi Diomond7 thank you for your reply not much of what you say can be backed up by scripture and everything created before the flood was destroyed in the flood except for everything on the ark.

I use to believe that. Until I did a little research and found out otherwise. Noah was a real person with a real ark and a very real flood. But your suggestion that it was world wide is simply not true. It was Noah's world to be sure. This was when the Persian Gulf was formed so it was a very real and very severe flood. We need to study the Hebrew if we want to really understand our Bible.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I had a good friend who was a seventh day and had strong beliefs about what not to do on the Sabbath. He admitted that he was not fully able to keep the sabbath but they do the best they can and limit themselves. For example when he was a truck driver he would not drive his truck for 24 hours. I would think it would be boring to sit there and do nothing for 24 hours but he was use to it.

The Sabbath is about honoring God. Isa 58:13. God knows we need both physical rest from works and spiritual rest in Him, which is what the Sabbath provides. If people spend time on thinking about all the things they can't do on the Sabbath instead of all the things we can do by the examples of scriptures- spending time in His Word, praying, going to church, fellowship with other Christians, preaching and sharing His Word, ministering to others in need etc., they miss out on the blessing it is meant to be. It's about our relationship with Christ unplugging from the world for one full day on the day God set aside, sanctified and made for mankind so God can bless and sanctify us, because we can't sanctify ourselves, we need God Eze 20:12

 

[davetaff]

I use to believe that. Until I did a little research and found out otherwise. Noah was a real person with a real ark and a very real flood. But your suggestion that it was world wide is simply not true. It was Noah's world to be sure. This was when the Persian Gulf was formed so it was a very real and very severe flood. We need to study the Hebrew if we want to really understand our Bible.

Hi Diomond7 thank you for your post but I prefer to believe the word of God over the word of man and Gods word says

Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Seams pretty clear to me the flood was world wide

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Diamond72]

Gods word says

Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Seams pretty clear to me the flood was world wide

Yes by all means I studied this verse extensively long before we are having our conversation about it. The word here for Earth does mean Earth, not just Eden or Ground. Only we do NOT see all of the earth as you suggest. Nor do we see ALL in front of high hills as you suggest. We do see all of heaven or all of the sky. So they were not afraid to use the word all. Which is a very powerful word in Hebrew.

I am going to sum this up for people who do not like long posts. The creation in Genesis one is not the same as the creation account in Genesis chapter two. You think He destoryed in Chapter two what He created in chapter one and I do not agree with you on that. In chapter one God created mankind. In chapter two God created Adam a Patriarch for the Hebrew people. Later on the descendants of Abraham in the Middle East.

From my study this was a close call and almost a gray area. The reason for this is what we call a paradigm. What we use to call shadow and type. There was a world wide flood at the time of Pangea. There have been 6 times when all of the world went extinct. The most recent was 13,000 years ago when wholly mammoth and saber tooth tigers went extinct because of global warming at the time.

Still we are not to add words and you are adding the word all to Earth and that word is not there in the Bible. Of course our main evidence is our study of Creation itself. People do not realize in Genesis chapter one God created the animals first. In Genesis chapter two God created Adam first.

18The LORD God also said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make for him a suitable helper.”

Genesis 19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and He brought them to the man to see what he would name each one. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20The man gave names to all the livestock, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adame no suitable helper was found.

Beast of the field is important because these are the animals that Noah saved on the ark. Not the animals we read about in Genesis 1. This was when man went from being a hunter food gather to a food producer. Lots of research and study has gone into understanding what was going on 6,000 years ago because this was the beginning of civilization and recorded history.

Chapter one talks about the whole earth. Chapter two talks about hā-’ă-ḏā-māh, or the ground or Eden. There is no doubt Eden is a world onto itself and we would not be here if Noah had not preserved Eden and the plants and animals of Eden on the Ark. Noah saved civilization. Civilization that spread to the whole world after the flood.

God takes the future very serious: Jeremiah "For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." Thanks to Noah God does just that. He gives us a future and hope.

He says: Genesis 9 "I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

So God destroyed what He had created in Genesis chapter two. The creation in Gensis one is not the same as the creation account in Genesis chapter two.

 

[Studyman]

I had a good friend who was a seventh day and had strong beliefs about what not to do on the Sabbath. He admitted that he was not fully able to keep the sabbath but they do the best they can and limit themselves. For example when he was a truck driver he would not drive his truck for 24 hours. I would think it would be boring to sit there and do nothing for 24 hours but he was use to it.

I have not adopted the religious philosophies of the 7 day adventist, nor am I a member of their religious business. And you are missing the point of my post, in my view. There is nowhere in the Scriptures where God prohibits the activities of Jesus and His Disciples in the Scriptures referenced. This is simply undeniable Biblical fact.

The Pharisees had rejected God's Sabbaths and had gone about establishing their own sabbath, much like the religious sects and businesses of our modern world, who call Jesus Lord, Lord do.

There is no command from God to "Do nothing" on God's Holy Sabbath either. But you have been convinced by this world's religions that God wanted men to sit around and do nothing for 24 hours on His Holy Day.

What I advocate for is that men "Beware" of this world's religions, regardless of the name above the door of their manmade shrines of worship built of wood and stone, and study for yourself, "Seek God's Truth" for yourself. After all, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad".

Had those "Christians" in Matt. 7:22 sought the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness, as opposed to living in religions which Transgress God's Commandments by their own religious traditions, Christ would have known them just as HE knew Zacharias and Simeon.

 

[Diamond72]

What I advocate for is that men "Beware" of this world's religions, regardless of the name above the door of their manmade shrines of worship built of wood and stone, and study for yourself, "Seek God's Truth" for yourself. After all, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad".

What does good or bad mean? I have heard that people will suffer loss. They will not receive rewards if they have not earned them.

 

[Studyman]

What does good or bad mean? I have heard that people will suffer loss. They will not receive rewards if they have not earned them.

I don't want to be re-directed from the point of Scriptures I'm trying to make. Neither Jesus, nor His Disciples broke God's Sabbath Commandment according to what is actually written in Scriptures. This is an important Biblical Fact that I think should be established. With this truth firmly planted in our mind, we can move on to other messages from the Jesus "of the bible".

Jesus gives us a glimpse into the judgment day I posted about in Matt. 7:22.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

These are self-proclaimed "Christians". They are talking to Jesus face to face as it is written; ""For we must "all appear" before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad".

This judgment is inevitable according to the Holy Scriptures.

Rev. 22: 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man "according as his work shall be".

Paul teaches in Rom. 2 "5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous "judgment of God"; 6 Who will render to every man "according to his deeds":

7 To them who by patient continuance "in well doing" seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

But these "Christians" who were talking to Jesus face to face in Matt. 7, were not part of this group. They were of a different mindset as Paul defines.

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

This is the "Them" that Jesus was addressing in Matt. 7. Here is what HE said about this group of "Christians".

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, "ye that work iniquity". (Transgress God's commandments by our own religious traditions)

Therefore, the entire Bible agrees with the Scripture; ""For we must "all appear" before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad".

I think Paul describes this perfectly. But you won't hear this teaching from this world's religions and is the reason, in my view, that Jesus said in Matt. 6:8 "Be not ye therefore like unto them" and again in REV 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

 

[Diamond72]

I don't want to be re-directed from the point of Scriptures I'm trying to make.

Yes, that is fine, you can keep us focused. I have been known to jump around because people do not see the connection.

REV 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

This is a very nice study but how do we "come out of her"? I did attend a church like that once. They thought they were the true church and other churches were in error. I am not convinced that is the case tough,

The grace of God works in us to restore us to God's plan and purpose. But they teach something different from that.

 

[HIM]

Yes by all means I studied this verse extensively long before we are having our conversation about it. The word here for Earth does mean Earth, not just Eden or Ground. Only we do NOT see all of the earth as you suggest. Nor do we see ALL in front of high hills as you suggest. We do see all of heaven or all of the sky. So they were not afraid to use the word all. Which is a very powerful word in Hebrew.

Why do you see that? That is not true. Who told you that? The word is most definitely used twice.

Gen 7:19 וְהַמַּ֗יִם And the waters
גָּ֥בְר֛וּ prevailed
מְאֹ֥ד more מְאֹ֖ד and more
עַל־ upon
הָאָ֑רֶץ the earth
וַיְכֻסּ֗וּ were covered
כָּל־ all הֶֽהָרִים֙ hills
הַגְּבֹהִ֔ים the high
אֲשֶׁר־ after
תַּ֖חַת that [were] under
כָּל־ everywhere
הַשָּׁמָֽיִם׃ the heaven

 

[Diamond72]

That is not true.

Earth does not mean earth? Then what does it mean?

 

[Studyman]

Yes, that is fine, you can keep us focused. I have been known to jump around because people do not see the connection.

You asked me a question and I answered it. Now you are jumping around the Scriptures I posted regarding your question. In a discussion it is a courtesy to acknowledge and address an answer to a question you ask of others. Here is the answer given to you regarding your question.


Here is your question.

"What does good or bad mean? I have heard that people will suffer loss. They will not receive rewards if they have not earned them."

Here is my answer.

I don't want to be re-directed from the point of Scriptures I'm trying to make. Neither Jesus, nor His Disciples broke God's Sabbath Commandment according to what is actually written in Scriptures. This is an important Biblical Fact that I think should be established. With this truth firmly planted in our mind, we can move on to other messages from the Jesus "of the bible".

Jesus gives us a glimpse into the judgment day I posted about in Matt. 7:22.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

These are self-proclaimed "Christians". They are talking to Jesus face to face as it is written; ""For we must "all appear" before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad".

This judgment is inevitable according to the Holy Scriptures.

Rev. 22: 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man "according as his work shall be".

Paul teaches in Rom. 2 "5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous "judgment of God"; 6 Who will render to every man "according to his deeds":

7 To them who by patient continuance "in well doing" seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

But these "Christians" who were talking to Jesus face to face in Matt. 7, were not part of this group. They were of a different mindset as Paul defines.

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

This is the "Them" that Jesus was addressing in Matt. 7. Here is what HE said about this group of "Christians".

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, "ye that work iniquity". (Transgress God's commandments by our own religious traditions)

Therefore, the entire Bible agrees with the Scripture; ""For we must "all appear" before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad".

I think Paul describes this perfectly. But you won't hear this teaching from this world's religions and is the reason, in my view, that Jesus said in Matt. 6:8 "Be not ye therefore like unto them" and again in REV 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

So these are the God Inspired Scriptures speaking about salvation, and how the Christ and His Father judge men. I only used a few verses which detail this process, there are many more in both New and Old Testament that confirms this.

It would be good if you would actually address the post.

This is a very nice study but how do we "come out of her"? I did attend a church like that once. They thought they were the true church and other churches were in error. I am not convinced that is the case tough,

How would a person know if a religion was of God? If they "Professes to know God" but walked in and promoted traditions which caused men to "Transgress God's Commandments", would this "church" be of God?

What if the "church" transgressed God's Commandments by their own religious traditions, but called Jesus Lord, Lord, taught in His Name, had "I Jesus" bumper stickers on their car.

Does that make them a Church of God?

This is why I posted what Jesus said about "many" Christians when they appear before Him on the judgment seat of Christ.

The grace of God works in us to restore us to God's plan and purpose. But they teach something different from that.

It seems prudent to consider what Jesus actually teaches, as opposed to adopting the doctrines and philosophies of the many religious sects and businesses which exist in this world God placed us in.

There is no doubt those Christians in Matt. 7:22 believed they were being restored to God's plans and purpose. Doesn't "Deceived" mean to believe something that isn't true? And who is the most deceived person? That would be the person who doesn't believe they can be or are deceived, Yes?

This is why it is important to not only hear God's sayings, but to be "doers" of God's sayings as well. as it is written.

James 1: 22 But be ye doers of the word, (Which is a man's reasonable service) and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a "doer of the work", this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Why?

"For we must "all appear" before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad".

 

[HIM]

Earth does not mean earth? Then what does it mean?

Reread the post and the your quote. Your question doesn’t make any sense and respect to what was posted to you and quoted from you. Take care.

 

[Diamond72]

Reread the post and the your quote. Your question doesn’t make any sense and respect to what was posted to you and quoted from you. Take care.

Every post has to be a new beginning. I am 72 years old and I am not going to go back to see what we are talking about. So for now enjoy having this conversation with yourself.

 

[Diamond72]

How would a person know if a religion was of God?

I became a Christian because I needed answers and solutions. So for me I want to see miracles, wonders, and signs. I want to see people rescued, saved, healed and delivered from sin, sickness and disease. I attended a church were there were hundreds even thousands of miracles.

John 4 48 So Jesus said to him, “Unless you see signs and wonders you will not believe.”

God told me in the beginning. He wants us to see after the Giver of the gifts and not the gifts themselves. The gifts of God show us how amazing God is so we can praise, honor and worship Him. Which is better than any gift He could give us. Although the Gifts of God are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control.

 

[Studyman]

I became a Christian because I needed answers and solutions. So for me I want to see miracles, wonders, and signs. I want to see people rescued, saved, healed and delivered from sin, sickness and disease. I attended a church were there were hundreds even thousands of miracles.

It seems important to believe what the Scripture actually says. That's why I posted them, but clearly you are not interested in discussing them. Religions of this world have been doing wonders and signs since before Pharoh's wizards brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt, just as Moses did. The Jesus "of the bible" addresses this very thing.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied "in thy name"? and "in thy name" have cast out devils? and "in thy name" done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

John 4 48 So Jesus said to him, “Unless you see signs and wonders you will not believe.”

God told me in the beginning. He wants us to see after the Giver of the gifts and not the gifts themselves. The gifts of God show us how amazing God is so we can praise, honor and worship Him. Which is better than any gift He could give us. Although the Gifts of God are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control.

Whose Love? Whose Goodness? Kenneth Copeland's? Joel Osteen's? The Popes? Or do we "Turn to God" and "yield ourselves" servants to His Righteousness, His Love, His Goodness?

It seems we should seek God's Truth, not self-justification.

 

[ralliann]

Hi Sabbathblessing thank you for your reply we can agree to dis agree but please do not misquote me I have never said creation was a 1000 years long what I have said is creation of man in Gods image is 7 days long and each day is a 1000 years long.
Everything God created before the flood was destroyed in the flood the only thing missing after the flood was man in the image of God so God set about rectifying it the first man in his image he created was Israel which did not work out so God began a new creation with Jesus Christ which is not yet completed.
Our Sabbaths are only a mirror image of Gods sabbath rest which we can enter into

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

So Gods rest is something we can enter into so it must be a future event and the only be Christ millennium when everything is handed over to Christ to finish the creation of man in the image of God.

Love and Peace
Dave

Yes, it was a future rest when Moses declared "the rest" which the book of Hebrews speaks of.

Ex 33:14 And he said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.
De 12:9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.

***Joshua (Hebrews, Jesus) to the 2 1/2 tribes inheriting their land on the other side of the Jordon, to go and fight with their brethren until they REST, also.

Jos 1:13 Remember the word which Moses the servant of the LORD commanded you, saying, The LORD your God hath given you rest, and hath given you this land.

Jos 1:15 Until the LORD have given your brethren rest, as he hath given you, and they also have possessed the land which the LORD your God giveth them: then ye shall return unto the land of your possession, and enjoy it, which Moses the LORD’S servant gave you on this side Jordan toward the sunrising.

****The rest Joshua, (Jesus) gave them
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 22:4 And now the LORD your God hath given rest unto your brethren, as he promised them: therefore now return ye, and get you unto your tents, and unto the land of your possession, which Moses the servant of the LORD gave you on the other side Jordan.

Jos 23:1 And it came to pass a long time after that the LORD had given rest unto Israel from all their enemies round about, that Joshua waxed old and stricken in age. {stricken … : Heb. come into days }

Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
Jos 23:14 And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof.

They rested from all their enemies round about.
The rest we enter into with Christ never ends
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.