Trump found guilty on all 34 counts

[loveofourlord]

So what happens now? I know he will appeal, but lets assume july 11th he gets sentence to 5 months in jail or 2 years or what. What happens from now till then? Is he free, does he go to jail? And is he in jail till appeals court overturns the sentence or what?

 

[Chesterton]

 

[ozso]

I don't think this is going to change things politically. Those who thought this was a sham trial from the beginning will still see it that way.

Those who thought Trump was guilty from the beginning will of course still see it that way.

Mainly it gives the Biden campaign the salvo of being able to call him a convicted felon. But that's likely to just work on those who weren't going to vote for Trump anyways. And will probably encourage others who think this was done for political purposes, to vote for Trump to show that tactic doesn't work.

 

[crixus]

Good. Now maybe he will shut up.

Trump shut up, that's impossible. But I'm glad the Judge and jurors weren't intimidated by Trump and his cronies. And justice for ALL.

 

[ralliann]

by default I do not think Trump could have gotten a fair trial.

Judge Canon seemed just. But was smeared by Trump haters.

 

[That Guy 11200]

by default I do not think Trump could have gotten a fair trial.

Do you believe he shouldn't have been put on trial for his crimes then?

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Do you believe he shouldn't have been put on trial for his crimes then?

I kind of wondered the same thing. What does this poster think should happen people like this? Should polarizing people just get away with crime? Are they just supposed to be immune? Seems like a good argument for everyone to just start treating everyone else like garbage so if they ever have to face charges they can plead "innocent by polarization" and walk.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Judge Canon seemed just. But was smeared by Trump haters.

Judge Cannon has done more to actively aid convicted felon Trump's defense in that case than his own attorneys.

 

[rjs330]

I would love to see him not be rhe candidate. I'm tired of the drama and hatred spewed across rhe media for him.

No matter who rhe republicans choose they won't be as polarizing and whole they still be be attacked I don't think it will be to the same level. I could be wrong.

 

[Bradskii]

I don't think this is going to change things politically. Those who thought this was a sham trial from the beginning will still see it that way.

From here: What Trump's guilty verdict means for the 2024 election

'In exit polls conducted during the Republican primaries this winter, double-digit numbers of voters said that they would not vote for the former president if he were convicted of a felony.

An April survey by Ipsos and ABC News found that 16% of those backing Trump would reconsider their support in such a situation.'

Let's face it. Anyone who says 'This is going to strengthen my resolve to vote for him' was going to vote for him anyway. There is only a negative result for Trump. As the 16% figure above shows. There's no net gain. There is only a net loss.

And watch the rhetoric being cranked up by some in the Republican party. Time for payback! But that again will only fuel those who were going to vote GOP and lose more independents.

I can't see that it's anything but downhill all the way to November for the RCF (recently convicted felon).

 

[ozso]

From here: What Trump's guilty verdict means for the 2024 election

'In exit polls conducted during the Republican primaries this winter, double-digit numbers of voters said that they would not vote for the former president if he were convicted of a felony.

An April survey by Ipsos and ABC News found that 16% of those backing Trump would reconsider their support in such a situation.'

Let's face it. Anyone who says 'This is going to strengthen my resolve to vote for him' was going to vote for him anyway. There is only a negative result for Trump. As the 16% figure above shows. There's no net gain. There is only a net loss.

And watch the rhetoric being cranked up by some in the Republican party. Time for payback! But that again will only fuel those who were going to vote GOP and lose more independents.

I can't see that it's anything but downhill all the way to November for the RCF (recently convicted felon).

I think there's a chance that this might motivate more people to actually go out and vote. Whereas they wouldn't have bothered if what they consider election interference trials hadn't taken place this close to election time.

Also it seems to me that 16% wouldn't vs 84% would isn't much of a negative impact. And of course as always, that's 16% of probably 800 people who responded to the poll.

 

[Jamdoc]

I've heard it's unlikely he sees a day in prison, just a fine, and it doesn't even prevent him from running or holding office

 

[Bradskii]

I think there's a chance that this might motivate more people to actually go out and vote. Whereas they wouldn't have bothered if what they consider election interference trials hadn't taken place this close to election time.

Also it seems to me that 16% wouldn't vs 84% would isn't much of a negative impact.

Out of all the people who were going to vote for Trump, 16% is a huge margin.

And of course as always, that's 16% of probably 800 people who responded to the poll.

I guess you don't know how polls work. If they ask everyone it's not called a poll. It's what they then call 'an election'.

 

[ozso]

I've heard it's unlikely he sees a day in prison, just a fine, and it doesn't even prevent him from running or holding office

It's class E felony (lowest) with no criminal record, so yes pretty unlikely he'll get more than a fine and maybe though unlikely probation. It'll be interesting to see if the fine is jacked up to a stratospheric amount.

 

[FaithT]

There is a difference. Obama and Biden have not been accused of felonies.

I am sorry that already the trial is being dismissed as unfair. I have seen no evidence of anything wrong in the legal process. I thought the judge treated Trump's contempts of court with great patience and forbearance.

I have seen Trump making the allegation, along with many contemptuous utterances about the judge, officials and witnesses. (No change there. That is what he has done in every confrontation.)

I think the gag order is still in place. How long will it take him to violate the gag order?

 

[ozso]

Out of all the people who were going to vote for Trump, 16% is a huge margin.

I guess you don't know how polls work. If they ask everyone it's not called a poll. It's what they then call 'an election'.

Yes I do know how polls work. That's why I know it's out of probably 800 polled rather than of all the people who were going to vote for him. So it's just a guessing game prediction.

Multiple polls asking the same question of multiple demographics offers more accuracy. So it'll be interesting to see if his popularly across the board drops, stays the same, or gets bigger.

 

[Whyayeman]

Yes I do know how polls work. That's why I know it's out of probably 800 polled rather than of all the people who were going to vote for him. So it's just a guessing game prediction.

Multiple polls asking the same question of multiple demographics offers more accuracy. So it'll be interesting to see if his popularly across the board drops, stays the same, or gets bigger.

Polls can be inaccurate, it is true, but the figure of 16% is significantly high. Even if the true figure was well below 16% - say half that - it is still a catastrophic loss of support. Trump was well behind in the popular vote in 2020 and even a small decline would ensure he lost again. Now that the question asked is no longer hypothetical we might well see a steeper decline in support.

I don't see how he can recover from this. In a sane Republican Party he would lose the nomination. Loyal Republicans would recognise that they cannot win under the convicted felon Trump and choose an honest candidate.

 

[ozso]

Polls can be inaccurate, it is true, but the figure of 16% is significantly high. Even if the true figure was well below 16% - say half that - it is still a catastrophic loss of support. Trump was well behind in the popular vote in 2020 and even a small decline would ensure he lost again. Now that the question asked is no longer hypothetical we might well see a steeper decline in support.

I don't see how he can recover from this. In a sane Republican Party he would lose the nomination. Loyal Republicans would recognise that they cannot win under the convicted felon Trump and choose an honest candidate.

I think the fact that so many, like the Biden campaign itself, have made this thing look so much like election interference, the opposite effect of what you're predicting is going to take place.

 

[Whyayeman]

I think the fact that so many, like the Biden campaign itself, have made this thing look so much like election interference, the opposite effect of what you're predicting is going to take place.

Why would you come to that conclusion? Biden has said nothing about the trial as far as I know.

It has been Trump who has made that claim over and over again, even after the Guilty verdict. Why do you believe it?

 

[mindlight]

Donald Trump found guilty in historic New York hush money case

The jury’s verdict is the first time a former president has been convicted of a crime.

www.nbcnews.com

It is clear he was guilty on all counts and is by extension unfit for the presidency. That said the timing of this and the other trials is politically motivated as they could have destroyed Trump in the courts two years ago. The political calculation here seems to have been:

1) First let the Republican Party appoint him as their candidate
2) Then show the American electorate who Trump is.

It was an entirely predictable trap that the Republicans walked right into. Now the calculation is that the Americans will not elect a criminal to be president.