• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Swastikas found in Oxford University lavatories

Landon Caeli

I ♡ potato pancakes
Site Supporter
Jan 8, 2016
17,465
6,701
48
North Bay
✟790,685.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others

Palestinians against Fascism

Thousands of Palestinian Arabs volunteered to fight against Germany and Italy during World War II, serving alongside Jewish volunteers from Mandate Palestine.
Interesting... Though their involvement was only on account of how the Libyans were treated by the fascists and the Nazi's. Not because they cared about Jews, as the title points out, and the article explains.

1000004056.jpg
 
Upvote 0

essentialsaltes

Fact-Based Lifeform
Oct 17, 2011
41,949
45,063
Los Angeles Area
✟1,003,804.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Legal Union (Other)
Interesting... Though their involvement was only on account of how the Libyans were treated by the fascists and the Nazi's. Not because they cared about Jews, as the title points out, and the article explains.
I hate to break this to you, but the United States did not get involved in WWII because we cared about Jews.
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,846
8,376
Dallas
✟1,087,415.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
The incident comes as pro-Palestinian protests at the university intensified this week.
Seventeen activists were arrested by police after occupying an administrative office on Wellington Square on Thursday. All 17 have been released on conditional bail.

Fascism isn't gaining strength only in the U.S. DEI, CRT, and other hateful and racist philosophies are thriving in Europe as well. Will the U.S. citizens continue to accept tyranny?
Gaining strength? Based on the actions of 17 college kids? I think that’s an exaggeration. Fascism is not gaining strength in the US, it was much more common in the 90s than it is now. Back then you’d see skinhead nazi all the time which were really mostly poser wannabes because it was a fashion trend. But nowadays they’re extremely rare. Kids that age do all sorts of stupid things like this, then they grow up and mature and grow out of it.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Whyayeman
Upvote 0

Whyayeman

Well-Known Member
Dec 8, 2018
4,626
3,133
Worcestershire
✟196,801.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
It is wrong to conflate Pro-Palestine sentiments with Nazism.

Who says the seventeen students were anything to do with the Nazi symbols found in the college toilets? Actually, nobody in Oxford. This is got up here. There are fascists everywhere but they have absolutely no significance in the UK.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Hans Blaster
Upvote 0

Landon Caeli

I ♡ potato pancakes
Site Supporter
Jan 8, 2016
17,465
6,701
48
North Bay
✟790,685.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
It is wrong to conflate Pro-Palestine sentiments with Nazism.

Who says the seventeen students were anything to do with the Nazi symbols found in the college toilets? Actually, nobody in Oxford. This is got up here. There are fascists everywhere but they have absolutely no significance in the UK.
Nobody says the 17 student's were responsible for the Nazi symbols. It could have been any other Pro-Palestinian trouble-maker.

But you're right, Pro-Palestinian sentiment is not the same as Nazism... It's Nazi-Lite, since it lacks the killing of Jews.

...But the college kids are smart! They won't be doing it themselves, they're counting on persuading policy, so that others do all the killing for them... Kind of like how Adolf had everyone else do his dirty work for him.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Pommer

CoPacEtiC SkEpTic
Sep 13, 2008
22,388
13,840
Earth
✟241,009.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Democrat
Nobody says the 17 student's were responsible for the Nazi symbols. It could have been any other Pro-Palestinian trouble-maker.

But you're right, Pro-Palestinian sentiment is not the same as Nazism... It's Nazi-Lite, since it lacks the killing of Jews.

...But the college kids are smart! They won't be doing it themselves, they're counting on persuading policy, so that others do all the killing for them... Kind of like how Adolf had everyone else do his dirty work for him.
While the Holocaust was a major component of the Nazi regime in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s, there were other “wrongs” (or are we to supposed that the Allies were only there to save the Jews)?

The main “wrong” with fascist-run governments is that they require the citizenry to champion their (own) homeland as the best of all possible countries.
With the leadership entrusted with such faith, they’re free to do all sorts of reprehensible things, and frequently do.
 
Upvote 0

Landon Caeli

I ♡ potato pancakes
Site Supporter
Jan 8, 2016
17,465
6,701
48
North Bay
✟790,685.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
While the Holocaust was a major component of the Nazi regime in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s, there were other “wrongs” (or are we to supposed that the Allies were only there to save the Jews)?

The main “wrong” with fascist-run governments is that they require the citizenry to champion their (own) homeland as the best of all possible countries.
With the leadership entrusted with such faith, they’re free to do all sorts of reprehensible things, and frequently do.
Do you think some countries actually are better than other countries? I do. I'm sure we all do. But I don't think that the notion of this automatically leads to fascism... Rather, Fascism is a culture-flaw, similar to many other basic flaws seen in various cultures.

We should be able to acknowledge certain traits as "better" than others without becoming monstrous or vile towards those which are lesser in that understanding. That’s what Fascism isn't.

On the same token, what business does a lesser culture have, taking pot shots at a superior culture anyway? It's at this point, we have to seperate traditional notions of classical Fascism, as a more powerful nation attacking a weaker one, and take a closer look at how a lesser, weaker nation can in fact adopt Fascism, which might seem backwards at first, but given the evidence of it being just a basic culture-flaw, isn't impossible at all.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Pommer

CoPacEtiC SkEpTic
Sep 13, 2008
22,388
13,840
Earth
✟241,009.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Democrat
Do you think some countries actually are better than other countries? I do. I'm sure we all do. But I don't think that the notion of this automatically leads to fascism... Rather, Fascism is a culture-flaw, similar to many other basic flaws seen in various cultures.
One place where the following of a Nation’s National Mythos led directly to fascism was the place we were talking about. I did not mean that all nationalism winds up as fascist, eventually, but only where it is actively encouraged to grow.


We should be able to acknowledge certain traits as "better" than others without becoming monstrous or vile towards those which are lesser in that understanding. That’s what Fascism isn't.
Fascism requires the State to be paramount over the individual citizen, which is usually seen as “okay” in fascist states because the mythos demands that “good citizens” agree with whatever comes forth from the Leader, no matter the issue.

On the same token, what business does a lesser culture have, taking pot shots at a superior culture anyway? It's at this point, we have to seperate traditional notions of classical Fascism, as a more powerful nation attacking a weaker one, and take a closer look at how a lesser, weaker nation can in fact adopt Fascism, which might seem backwards at first, but given the evidence of it being just a basic culture-flaw, isn't impossible at all.
Just because we in the USA have had it mostly our own way since 1945, it does not follow that this is the natural order of things nor that we’re the de facto “good guys”.
 
Upvote 0

Whyayeman

Well-Known Member
Dec 8, 2018
4,626
3,133
Worcestershire
✟196,801.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
Nobody says the 17 student's were responsible for the Nazi symbols. It could have been any other Pro-Palestinian trouble-maker.
Or anybody at all, really. There is no established connection between the graffiti and the demonstrations. We don't even know when the graffiti appeared.
But you're right, Pro-Palestinian sentiment is not the same as Nazism... It's Nazi-Lite, since it lacks the killing of Jews.
It is not Nazi at all.
...But the college kids are smart! They won't be doing it themselves, they're counting on persuading policy, so that others do all the killing for them... Kind of like how Adolf had everyone else do his dirty work for him.
This is just nonsense. There is no killing going on in Oxford, just a peaceful demonstration against the current warfare waged by Israel. The same opposition can be seen everywhere, even in Israel.

In my opinion loose talk about Nazism is irrelevant to the issues in general and to the demonstrations in Oxford in particular.
 
Upvote 0

rjs330

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2015
28,127
9,051
65
✟429,970.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Pentecostal
Just because we in the USA have had it mostly our own way since 1945, it does not follow that this is the natural order of things nor that we’re the de facto “good guys”.
We are the good guys. The good guys with Grey hats. A flawed nation who at times has done the wrong things for tge right reason. A nation who has done too much sometimes and done to little sometimes. A nation governed by the people of individual states. Where ideas flourish and each state can determine its own culture and governance. We aren't a dictatorship. We are not imperialist. We try to balance taking care of our citizens without over burdening others who don't want to be. We are a wild and whacky place filled with wild and whacky people. We gave so many different cultures within our own it's a wonderful place where people will do anything to get here. People don't do that when a country is the bad guy.
 
Upvote 0

rjs330

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2015
28,127
9,051
65
✟429,970.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Pentecostal
In my opinion loose talk about Nazism is irrelevant to the issues in general and to the demonstrations in Oxford in particular.
Nazism has always been a part of the Palestinian movement. It nay not be as overt as waiving red and white flags with a swastika, but they have always had a tie with it.


Now I have no idea if any of these protesters drew those swastikas or why. Maybe they drew it just as a prank to get everyone worked up. Maybe they drew it because they believed in it. Maybe they drew it so they could point to it and make it sound like there were white supremacists around and we all know how dangerous they are. Could be be anything. Did a protestor do it?

We don't know and probably never will.

But ee do know tge protesters gave broken the law and trespassed in the area.

 
Upvote 0

Whyayeman

Well-Known Member
Dec 8, 2018
4,626
3,133
Worcestershire
✟196,801.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
Now I have no idea if any of these protesters drew those swastikas or why. Maybe they drew it just as a prank to get everyone worked up. Maybe they drew it because they believed in it. Maybe they drew it so they could point to it and make it sound like there were white supremacists around and we all know how dangerous they are. Could be be anything. Did a protestor do it?
Or maybe it was nothing to do with them. They have just been linked arbitrarily.
 
Upvote 0

rjs330

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2015
28,127
9,051
65
✟429,970.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Pentecostal
Or maybe it was nothing to do with them. They have just been linked arbitrarily.
Exactly that's why I Saif I have no idea who did it. Maybe it was anyone else but them. Maybe it was one of them.

It's nothing but speculation at this point and since it is. I'm out on this thread.
 
Upvote 0

Landon Caeli

I ♡ potato pancakes
Site Supporter
Jan 8, 2016
17,465
6,701
48
North Bay
✟790,685.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
I'm comfortable with thinking it was probably a Pro-Palestinian supporter, whether it is or not, because I see them as supporters of Islamofascism.

I place them at the same level of respect as a KGB supporter, or Nazi supporter in general... Which is a very low level.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

essentialsaltes

Fact-Based Lifeform
Oct 17, 2011
41,949
45,063
Los Angeles Area
✟1,003,804.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Legal Union (Other)
I'm comfortable with thinking it was probably a Pro-Palestinian supporter, whether it is or not, because I see them as supporters of Islamofascism.

I place them at the same level of respect as a KGB supporter, or Nazi supporter in general... Which is a very low level.
Haha, yes, the KGB, those notable fascists of the Soviet Union.

A few years ago all the protestors were antifa. Now they are all fa.
 
Upvote 0

Landon Caeli

I ♡ potato pancakes
Site Supporter
Jan 8, 2016
17,465
6,701
48
North Bay
✟790,685.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
A few years ago all the protestors were antifa. Now they are all fa.
That's because many protesters aren't very informed. All they know is wealthy = bad and poor = victim, 100% of the time always and everywhere... And that's the extent of it for many of them, making up their entire worldview.

...It's not their fault though, as that's how they've been trained to think.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Landon Caeli

I ♡ potato pancakes
Site Supporter
Jan 8, 2016
17,465
6,701
48
North Bay
✟790,685.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Wow! Sweeping generalisation alert!
They're mostly immature, young adults... You really expect sophisticated, highly developed insight coming from them?
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Whyayeman

Well-Known Member
Dec 8, 2018
4,626
3,133
Worcestershire
✟196,801.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
They're mostly immature, young adults... You really expect sophisticated, highly developed insight coming from them?
I don't think 'sophisticated, highly developed insight' always comes with maturity. But, as you say, they are adults and so must be given appropriate respect - not dismissed as if they were, say, children - or fools.

Young people are often very well informed, especially those who take the trouble to protest.
 
Upvote 0