Interesting. Never noticed the Psalm was a prayer of Moses before. Is there any record of this prayer apart from this Psalm?
That is pretty much a mexican standoff. So called Christians have proven themselves wrong countless times also. IF you can do all your own research then you can study the evidence for yourself and draw your own conclusions. My dad was a doctor and I learned how to read on medical journals. So it is no problem for me to do all my own research and I do not have to depend on others to do that for me. In fact the Bible is very clear that the Holy Spirit is to guide and lead us into all truth. I can read the Bible for myself. You can read the Bible for yourself and everyone can draw their own conclusions.
No mexican standoff. Do you mean Christian scientists have been proved wrong countless times? Of course many Christinas have been wrong about this or that many times. We are discussing science though. More specifically, I am addressing the unobservable deep time evolutionary speculative theories proposed by many a scientist, not the observable scientific facts which most Christian or not accept. One's that many deep timers claim as scientific fact, which are not. Which includes all of their deep time unobservable speculative and or extrapolated theories. Exactly because they cannot be observed or known as facts without leaning heavily upon certain presumptions. Presumptions which deep timers themselves exhibit a great deal of faith in.
Just as YEC's freely admit of their faith in the fact that the Genesis account is a literal and accurate historical account. Albeit, not a scientific account, or text book if you will. Describing plainly what happened within what time frame it happened, without exact and or scientific details regarding how it happened. Simply that it happened by the power of the word of God. YEC's have not been wrong about their faith, because they do not attempt to scientifically explain how creation took place. Those of the deep timers faith though, are continuously attempting to do just that. Usually demanding at the same time, that their faith is in reality fact. Even though they have been wrong many times over.
That is not true. You are talking about a hypotheses. Science is based on facts and the Bible is based on Truth. Only science has what they call laws. We also read about God's law in the Bible. What does Jesus tell us about people that have no regard for the Law of God. What does Jesus tell us in
Matthew 7:23 "
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knewyou; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’ If you read the verse before this we see that: "Many will say to Me on that day," Many will proclaim what is not true and God will hold them accountable. I was YEC one time but then I studied the evidence and came to the conclusion I have come to.
There are laws of nature of course, which science did not create, but merely identifies and names. The laws themselves came from God of course. We are bound by these laws, God is not. We exist within the box as it were, that they define and or limit, not God. Since you brought up God's law, and the importance of heeding laws, why do you contradict the plain and simple statement of one of God's laws written with His own finger for humanity twice and spoken by His own mouth to the entire nation of Israel?
Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,.............................
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Deep timers do not know what happened billions of years ago, let alone six thousand. Just as YEC's have faith in the holy scriptures, deep timers have faith in the conjectures of certain "scientific" theories. Which are not facts.
We can study geology, we can study the fossils. Clearly God has given us lots and lots of evidence in His Creation. Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." What more is there to say. People who do not study God's creation are without excuse according to Paul. We can look and see with out own eyes. I live in the great lakes area. When the glacers melted they left about 12 feet of muck. Under that you will find conglomerate rock. They cut through all those layers when they build an expressway or build a bridge so you can see all the layers. Also when they build a bridge there are a bunch of hard hat people standing around doing nothing. They are highly educated and if you have questions about the geology you are looking at they will be glad to explain what they know about it. I assume when you drive across a bridge you trust the people that built the bridge. Even though you seem to think they know nothing of the geology and the soil they are working with. You can believe what you want and I can believe what I want and have studied 50 years to learn.
Yes, of course we can all study and believe as we wish. We can all see fossils, and layers laid down one way or another. We can also come to very different conclusions concerning the formation of such, depending upon the faith we have in differing assumptions about the unobservable past events which made or caused the formations. YEC's base their faith upon a literal acceptance of what the Genesis account plainly states as the cause and mechanism of our existence. Christian Deep timers base their faith upon a mixture of symbolic our allegorical interpretation of Genesis I suppose, and the speculations of deep time oriented scientists of the Christian faith or not. The observable evidence is the same for both, the assumptions of faith are not. Each making observations, speculations, theories or what have you, supporting the assumptions of their differing faiths.
How is it a young earth person is talking about how old the earth is?
Not sure what you are addressing here. Of course those of the deep timers faith, and those of the YEC's faith might see the term "of old" very differently, depending on context.
The global flood took place 200 million years ago at the time of Pangea. Noah's flood was a shadow and a type. What some people call a paradigm of the global flood. So the Bible is talking about two different floods at the same time. There are 10,000 islands in the Pacific. My wife is from the Pacific islands. Each island has its own species that you will not find anywhere else in the world. WE all talk about the Kangaroo in Australa. How did the Kangaroo get from where the Ark landed all the way back to Australa? I actually saw one of those little monkeys when I was visiting my mother in law in the Philippines. The eagles are very unique in that country also. Not at all like American Eagles.
Now we have an hypotheses and we have to study what the Bible really says about the flood and where the flood took place. The word is Adamah in Hebrew and this refers to Eden or the land given to Adam. I could write many many books on this because of all the research I have done. I would suggest you do your own research to arrive at your own conclusion. Whatever the evidence leads you personally to believe.
A fine display of deep timers faith, which they try to claim is fact. The ability of life to change and adapt to their surrounding environment, proof of deep time slow progressive evolution is not. A designer such as God, knowing the end from the beginning, would and did no doubt build this ability into the creatures He knew would require such. Recent observations and theories suggest that change can happen much more quickly than once believed, by evolutionists in any case. People may choose to believe deep time scenarios if they wish of course, but such simply is not necessary to explain the evidence we can all observe.
Catastrophism can account for rapid geological formation and layers such as those which we observe, and we have observed such transpire before our very eyes on smaller scales of course, than the global flood.
Fossils may be and are formed far more rapidly than deep timers have suggested. Which we have also not only observed but formed ourselves under proper conditions.
We can now also produce coal, oil, and even diamonds rapidly in the same manner. Lots of heat and pressure involved, such as that a global flood with volcanic activity and the movement of large amounts of earth and materials including rapid burial under extreme pressures.
Cavitation by way of the movement of large amounts of water has been observed as well, easily destroying solid rock and or concrete, creating canyons relative to the size of these watery movements. A global flood therefore obviously effecting much greater sized canyons and or geographical displacement and or formation.
The never ending adjustments to deep time projections further and further back in time due to constantly finding complexity further and further back in time, is highly suggestive of complexity from the beginning as holy scripture plainly states. These projections are not concerning just biological life forms, but most recently our observations concerning cosmology as well. James Webb keeps finding complex galaxy formations too old to fit the 13.8 billion year Big Bang theory.
Archeologists are finding societal complexity further and further back in time as well. This is not to mention the obvious fact, that at a certain point back in time, the technical and building capabilities of humanity become higher or greater further back in time.
This is not to touch upon either, our increasing understanding of the unimaginable complexity of living things, even at the microscopic level. To the effect that there basically were not ever simple life forms, from which other life forms evolved. Shall I go on. Why would you presume I have done no research?
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