Exodus 31:17 "in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth"

[Diamond72]

The Sabbath Day according to Moses is a 24 hour day.

NOTHING is more clear in the Bible than that the 1,000 year reign of Christ is a Sabbath. Many verses point to that.

 

[Platte]

The Bible could not be more plain that the 1,000 year reign of Christ is a Sabbath where man will rest from his works. This could be why Moses tells us a day is 1,000 years.

Silly

 

[Diamond72]

Silly

You do not believe in the 1,000 year reign of Christ? This is also known as the Kingdom Age.

 

[Vambram]

I'm also a dispensationalist. However, I completely and totally reject the notion that humans have existed upon the earth for more than 10,000 years. Also, I completely reject Old Earth Creationism and Theistic evolution. I reject interpretation of scientific evidence that disagrees with clear and easily understood passages of Scriptures.

 

[Diamond72]

I reject interpretation of scientific evidence that disagrees with clear and easily understood passages of Scriptures.

You can reject all you want, but there is no contradiction between science the the Bible. Even if science does not agree with your interpretation of the Bible. For me TE does a lot to honor God. Almost all of the Bible talks about the last 6,000 years. The only exception is Genesis chapter one. So if you believe in a young or old earth does not matter nearly as much as living your life in a way that pleases God.

The real challenge is in Job 39 "“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand."

Job 15 7 “Are you the first man ever born? Were you brought forth before the hills?

What is this? The first man was brought forth before the hills? How can that be?

 

[Vambram]

You can reject all you want, but there is no contradiction between science the the Bible. Even if science does not agree with your interpretation of the Bible. For me TE does a lot to honor God. Almost all of the Bible talks about the last 6,000 years. The only exception is Genesis chapter one. So if you believe in a young or old earth does not matter nearly as much as living your life in a way that pleases God.

The real challenge is in Job 39 "“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand."

Job 15 7 “Are you the first man ever born? Were you brought forth before the hills?

What is this? The first man was brought forth before the hills? How can that be?

Job is being spoken to by God Himself as you know. Also, the Book of Job is well known to be a book with lots of poetical verses and expressions done in poetry. Rhetorical questions ought not form a foundation for understanding the Scriptures.
For me, Theistic evolution directly contradicts the Bible and therefore Theistic evolution does not honor the Lord God at all. That is my perspective as well as the perspective of the majority of Young Earth creationists.

 

[Vambram]

Also, please notice that I said that I reject .... interpretation.... of scientific evidence that contradicts clear and easily understood passages of the Bible.

 

[Diamond72]

For me, Theistic evolution directly contradicts the Bible and therefore Theistic evolution does not honor the Lord God at all.

Close but no cigar. Evolution directly contradicts the Bible. Theistic evolution does not because we can define it anyway we want. Evolution theory has gone through constant change from the beginning and continues to be revised and changed. Theistic evolution has remained the same unchanged from the beginning.

Look at Wiki: "Theistic evolution alternatively called evolutionary creationism, is a view that God acts and creates through laws of nature"

"In biology, evolution is the change in the characteristics of a species over several generations and relies on the process of natural selection."

Big difference, huge difference between evolution and theistic evolution.
Evolution tries to define the laws. Theistic does not attempt to define them.

Usually by the time something becomes a law it is difficult to argue against.
You have to come up with something a whole lot better.
For example Einstein had a better understanding of gravity than Newton.

Exactly what is your problem with the natural laws of science and physics?

 

[Vambram]

Exactly why do you use science and the man made interpretation of evidence by human scientists to help you understand the Bible?

 

[Diamond72]

Exactly why do you use science and the man made interpretation of evidence by human scientists to help you understand the Bible?

There is hypothesis, theory and law. I use this approach to understand the Bible. I form a hypothesis and then I test that hypothesis to see if it is true or not. Evolution is a theory and a law. Theistic evolution rejects the theory and accepts the laws of Science as coming from God. IF God did not create the laws of science than where did they come from?

Where did the laws come from and where are they? Science does not know.

Scientific laws are conclusions that are generally accepted by the scientific community after years of repeated observations and experiments. Some say that the laws of physics are stored in the framework of particles, while others say they are stored within matter itself.

There is also facts but they come and go. The half life of facts is said to be about 50 years before they are replaced. This maybe the reason why people have a problem with science if they are looking at facts and theory rather than the well established laws of Science. Even laws can change. Isaac Newton's description of gravity was considered a scientific law until Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity was published over 200 years later.

I do not use man made interpretations I use the Bible. I was recently challenged to find the word DAY used to mean age or era. That is difficult to do. There are different words used for age or era. A day usually means a 24 hour day.

 

[Vambram]

As the omnipotent and omniscient Creator, the Lord God easily supercedes the natural laws of science, physics, biology, chemistry, quantum physics, geology, astronomy and all of the rest of the sciences whenever and wherever the Lord God Almighty desires to do so.

 

[Diamond72]

As the omnipotent and omniscient Creator, the Lord God easily supercedes the natural laws of science, physics, biology, chemistry, quantum physics, geology, astronomy and all of the rest of the sciences whenever and wherever the Lord God Almighty desires to do so.

I have never seen Him do that. Perhaps you would like to give me an example.
God works though natural laws and He would not work against Himself.
Can you show me where omnipotent and omniscient are in the Bible?

God can not lie, cheat, steal and so on. There is a LOT God can not do. He is always consistent with Himself.

 

[Vambram]

I believe evolutionists expect the natural laws of science to have always been the same from the beginning of time until today and also in the far future.


As for Biblical evidence of God's supernatural omnipotent power, all I need to do is read any of the miracles which is in the Scriptures.

 

[Diamond72]

all I need to do is read any of the miracles which is in the Scriptures.

My personal experience is that everything is restored and you can not tell that a miracle was ever needed. Even when faced with the impossible the mind will just adjust and accept the currently reality. Lazarus was dead for five days. People are not going to question that he is alive and talking to them. They are going to question that he was dead and needed a miracle. Someone, somewhere must have made some sort of a mistake.

Look at the people that are healed from aids. People say there must have been some sort of a mistake. There must have been an error on your test. They can not accept the miracle and they deny that the person ever needed a miracle. If this violation ever took place why do people deny that it ever happened? Where is the evidence that laws were violated and a miracle was needed?

For some everything is a miracle, for some nothing is a miracle. For me a miracle has to go beyond science and beyond the placebo effect. Science, doctors and pastors all do what they can to help people and they try not to get in each others way because they all have the same goal. If they really want to help and not just stuff money in their pocket. I personally have no memory of ever accepting any money to serve God. So no one could ever accuse me of that.

There is nothing wrong with the power of suggestion, positive thinking and the placebo effect. But you have to go beyond science if you want to show a miracle took place. Most people do not even know how to test for that. Because there is nothing to test.

 

[Platte]

You do not believe in the 1,000 year reign of Christ? This is also known as the Kingdom Age.

Has nothing to do with the Sabbath Day

 

[Diamond72]

Has nothing to do with the Sabbath Day.

The seventh day is always the sabbath. We work 6 days and rest on the seventh day.

 

[Platte]

The Bible could not be more plain that the 1,000 year reign of Christ is a Sabbath where man will rest from his works. This could be why Moses tells us a day is 1,000 years.

That’s really silly

 

[Diamond72]

I reject interpretation of scientific evidence that disagrees with clear and easily understood passages of Scriptures.

How can someone reject overwhelming evidence for something, anything? Or perhaps you never studied the evidence. The irony is that what you claim is more difficult to prove. The age or era we live in began 13,000 years ago if a day is 1,000 years. You can ignore anything that happened before that if you want. The vast majority of the Bible is a history of the last 6,000 years. Does not really matter what you think did or did not take place before Adam and Eve and before God breathed life into them. That is pretty much the beginning of the story. The time line is not really that much of an issue in Genesis one. Unless you want to align the Bible with Science. Which is pretty easy to do.

I have repeated many times. Adam and Eve lived in the Garden in Eden (Mesopotamia) 6,000 years ago. There had to have been a week before we find them in Eden. It is up to you to prove that all of the events in Genesis chapter one took place in that week. Could be it is just more difficult to prove than I am willing to try to do. a DAY almost always means a 24 hour day. So I do understand in a literal sense that does seem to be what the Bible is saying. Also everything in genesis chapter one has to be fine tuned to pave the way for Eden to exist.

We are told in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth. That is pretty much all we need to know. The rest of the Bible pretty much deals with WHY did God do what He did when He did it?

 

[Platte]

How can someone reject overwhelming evidence for something, anything? Or perhaps you never studied the evidence. The irony is that what you claim is more difficult to prove. The age or era we live in began 13,000 years ago if a day is 1,000 years. You can ignore anything that happened before that if you want. The vast majority of the Bible is a history of the last 6,000 years. Does not really matter what you think did or did not take place before Adam and Eve and before God breathed life into them. That is pretty much the beginning of the story. The time line is not really that much of an issue in Genesis one. Unless you want to align the Bible with Science. Which is pretty easy to do.

I have repeated many times. Adam and Eve lived in the Garden in Eden (Mesopotamia) 6,000 years ago. There had to have been a week before we find them in Eden. It is up to you to prove that all of the events in Genesis chapter one took place in that week. Could be it is just more difficult to prove than I am willing to try to do. a DAY almost always means a 24 hour day. So I do understand in a literal sense that does seem to be what the Bible is saying. Also everything in genesis chapter one has to be fine tuned to pave the way for Eden to exist.

We are told in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth. That is pretty much all we need to know. The rest of the Bible pretty much deals with WHY did God do what He did when He did it?

I agree 6000 years ago Adam and Eve lived in the garden of Eden. But they were placed there at creation. Which was also 6000 years ago. A day does not equal 1000 years. A day is one rotation of the earth which is about 24 hours.

The Bible gives a very detailed account of creation including what was created in each day which God clearly illustrates that a day is an evening and morning in case people like you want to make a day to be something different (thank you God). The Bible also states that everything - everything was created in 6 days and then sets aside a single day of the week to be a sabbath day of rest just like a day the God rested on. Again just to clearly note a single day is a single day and not a silly 1000 years. Alluding to a verse describing Gods patience by saying a 1000 years is as a day implies nothing about a day is equal to 1000 years. Put your focus on the truth of the Bible. Explain how creation was 6000 years ago and how it was created in 6 - 24 hour days. That is the truth you need to get to others that is written in the Bible. Show how scientifically and Historical that is the truth of the Bible

 

[Diamond72]

A day does not equal 1000 years.

The first day was around 8 billion years. IF you know Hebrew the first letter in day is a Yud. That is a little that represents a lot. You can do a little research on the Hebrew language if you want. Most main line denominations require a degree in science before you can go on to seminary to become a pastor. It is usually the independent church where the pastor has an associate degree that they tend to be YEC.