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The Danger of "Keeping Sabbath."

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from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath.” Leviticus 23:32
Sister, that is only true in Jerusalem and not everywhere like in Eden where it was from morning to morning and not from evening to evening. You are aware that when you do a 360 degree revolution of the Earth you return to where you started. As the Sabbath in Jerusalem shows in the following passage, returning to the "evening" where it started.

And I will destroy anyone among you who does any work on that day (yum). You must not do any work at all! This is a permanent law for you, and it must be observed from generation to generation wherever you live. This will be a Sabbath day of complete rest for you, and on that day you must deny yourselves. This day of rest will begin at sundown (ereb) on the ninth day of the month and extend until sundown (ereb) on the tenth day.” (Leviticus 23:30-32 NLT)​

Just as the Sabbath above returns to where it began, the passage below ends where it began with light. The 360 degree revolution of the Earth on the following first day returns to where it began in the morning light, having begun with something like a morning at first light.

Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day” and the darkness “night.” And evening (ereb) passed and MORNING (boqer) came, marking the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NLT)​

The order given above of "day" before "night" is verified in the following passage where the previous night is the day before and the next night to come is part of the current day.

The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” (Genesis 19:34 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Sister, that is only true in Jerusalem and not everywhere like in Eden where it was from morning to morning and not from evening to evening. You are aware that when you do a 360 degree revolution of the Earth you return to where you started. As the Sabbath in Jerusalem shows in the following passage, returning to the "evening" where it started.

And I will destroy anyone among you who does any work on that day (yum). You must not do any work at all! This is a permanent law for you, and it must be observed from generation to generation wherever you live. This will be a Sabbath day of complete rest for you, and on that day you must deny yourselves. This day of rest will begin at sundown (ereb) on the ninth day of the month and extend until sundown (ereb) on the tenth day.” (Leviticus 23:30-32 NLT)​

Just as the Sabbath above returns to where it began, the passage below ends where it began with light. The 360 degree revolution of the Earth on the following first day returns to where it began in the morning light, having begun with something like a morning at first light.

Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day” and the darkness “night.” And evening (ereb) passed and MORNING (boqer) came, marking the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NLT)​

The order given above of "day" before "night" is verified in the following passage where the previous night is the day before and the next night to come is part of the current day.

The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” (Genesis 19:34 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Yet it says from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath.” Leviticus 23:32

The word Jerusalem is not there and we are not to add what's not there Pro 30:5-6
 
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Yet it says from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath.” Leviticus 23:32 The word Jerusalem is not there and we are not to add what's not there Pro 30:5-6
Sister, the student of God's word must be willing to examine more than one passage.

“Who does the LORD think we are?” they ask. “Why does he speak to us like this? Are we little children, just recently weaned? He tells us everything over and over—one line at a time, one line at a time, a little here, and a little there!” (Isaiah 28:9-10 NLT)​

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Jesus kept every Sabbath John 15:10 Luke 4:16 Mat 2:27 , yet you seem to be promoting not to. So how can we emulate Christ by not following what He taught John 14:15 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19 Mat 5:19-30 and what He Himself kept for our example. 1 John 2:6
When the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship” (Gal 4:4-5)

Jesus was born under the law and lived His entire life under the law but then ushered in the new covanent by His death. The temple vail was not torn in two until Jesus cried, "it is finished." At that time the new covanent was given to us where by faith we recieve Christ the fullfillment of the law and all things are made new in us.

Whether one keeps a day holy or does not is downstream from salvation which is recieved by by those who are drawn to Christ. We no longer offer animal sacrifices, even the ones prescribed by Jesus himself to the lepers He healed. Why? Because our savior is our sacrifice and we are perfected forever by that one sacrifice.

We are not under the law. For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. ~Romans 6:14 In other words, the law has no power to condemn those who are under grace. The law has not been done away with but all of its penalties and condemnation has. It has been placed on Christ. Following the ten commandments does not improve on Christ's perfect obedience which He imputes on those who do recieve him.

The only reason to follow the ten commandments after we have recieved perfection for ever is because we want to express our love to HIm. Who are we to judge how others express their love to God?
This is God's Truth
Jesus is the Truth John 14:6
His Word is the Truth John 17:17
All of His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151
In the OT all of the commandments of God were codeified in written form but now that we are no longer under the written code but under grace it iw written upon our hearts. It is now a walk that we have after the spirit. God's commands are daily, hourly and minute by minute given to us by the Holy Spirit. If you love God and express it by doing what ever it is you do one day a week. Do it with all your heart, but don't judge others who do not. Other;s should also not judge you for doing so.

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
This text does not strictly refer to the ten commandments for right over in the next chapter we read exactly what He meant by "commandments."

And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.~1 John 3:23
We need the whole Truth to set us free.

Not everyone wants to come to the Truth because they prefer darkness John 3:19-21 but those who seek Gods Truth come to the light and are set free. Narrow is the way. Mat 7:13-14
The way is narrow because it is only one man wide. That man is Jesus.
 
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When the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship” (Gal 4:4-5)

Jesus was born under the law and lived His entire life under the law but then ushered in the new covanent by His death. The temple vail was not torn in two until Jesus cried, "it is finished." At that time the new covanent was given to us where by faith we recieve Christ the fullfillment of the law and all things are made new in us.
So we then ignore all the scriptures that Jesus is our example to follow. 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15 and we don't emulate Christ.

Sorry, thats not what this scripture reference means. Jesus was born under the law, the same law we are subject to because in order for Him to be our Savior and the example to follow He had to be tempted just as we are, but yet without sin Heb 4:15 Just like we can overcome through Jesus.
Whether one keeps a day holy or does not is downstream from salvation which is recieved by by those who are drawn to Christ. We no longer offer animal sacrifices, even the ones prescribed by Jesus himself to the lepers He healed. Why? Because our savior is our sacrifice and we are perfected forever by that one sacrifice.
So can we apply this to murder, or worshipping other gods. Where do we draw the line. Perhaps its not a line for us to draw, but what God draws, which is why our righteousness is as fifthly rags and why we need to seek His righteousness Psa 119:172 and not depend on our own. All of His commandments are righteous Psa 119:172 just as He is righteous
We are not under the law. For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. ~Romans 6:14 In other words, the law has no power to condemn those who are under grace. The law has not been done away with but all of its penalties and condemnation has. It has been placed on Christ. Following the ten commandments does not improve on Christ's perfect obedience which He imputes on those who do recieve him.
I can see why those who are seeking their own righteousness would not subject themselves to God's law. Paul tells us these are the lost Rom 8:7-8

Jesus is the one who condemns......and we are Judged based on God's law

Which is why Jesus tells us a head of time....

Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

Only for Jesus to say to them on that Great Day depart from Me, those who practice lawlessness Mat 7:23

So obviously either Jesus is mistaken and didn't mean what He says, that we can break the least of the commandments and we don't have to keep God's commandments in lieu of our own man-made rules and we can enter into the Kingdom of heaven not doing His commandments but as sinners never being changed by Christ. My faith is in Jesus, that He is not mistaken, but are those who take Paul's teaching out of context just as predicted in scripture

2 Peter 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

Because I believe Jesus saying depart from Me those who practice lawlessness is the path to destruction because Jesus says this over and over in scriptures, but do we have faith to hear Him and live by His Word?

This is what God's saints do (His saved) because they have been changed by Jesus and have His righteousness and followed His example.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

So we need the same faith of Jesus. Was Jesus too righteous to keep His own law or keep His own Sabbath. No. He was faithful and kept all of the commandments, taught them and told us to as well. John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Mat 15
The only reason to follow the ten commandments after we have recieved perfection for ever is because we want to express our love to HIm.
You say that like its something bad. Do you think those who do not love God will be in heaven? I do not. Because if we do not love God, we would not have faith in Him, which means we would not do what He asks and therefore would not receive His Spirit and if we do not have His Spirit, we are dead. Both spiritually and eventually literally Rom 6:16 unless ones change their path.
Who are we to judge how others express their love to God?
Love is not a feeling, it is a call to action.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
John 14:15 If you love Me, keep My commandments
Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Love is tied to obedience to God. If we love Him, we would keep His commandments, its that simple.

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Jesus gave us everything and asks for so little in return.

In the OT all of the commandments of God were codeified in written form but now that we are no longer under the written code but under grace it iw written upon our hearts.
Hmmmm, not what the scripture says.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.


Which is why Jesus tells us not to break the least of these commandments quoting from the Ten as one would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat 5:19-30
It is now a walk that we have after the spirit. God's commands are daily, hourly and minute by minute given to us by the Holy Spirit. If you love God and express it by doing what ever it is you do one day a week. Do it with all your heart, but don't judge others who do not. Other;s should also not judge you for doing so.
I judge no one. Just pointing out the scriptures out of love what everyone will be judged by regardless if they accept the clear teachings or not. Just trying to give our a life vest before its too late. James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15. Why the Holy Spirit pleads with us not to be in rebellion to Him Heb 3:7-8 because sin separates us from God Isa 59:2 and Jesus wants us close to Him, why He wrote His law in our hearts Heb 8:10 and as long as we are not hostile to God's law and rebel against it but allow the Holy Spirit work in our hearts so we can keep all of God's commandments through faith and love, this reconciles us back to God Rev 22:14
This text does not strictly refer to the ten commandments for right over in the next chapter we read exactly what He meant by "commandments."

And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.~1 John 3:23

The way is narrow because it is only one man wide. That man is Jesus.
How do we believe in the name of Jesus Christ but not believe in His teachings? Such as Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Isa 56:1-6 Isa 58:13 Exo 20 Mat 19:17-19 John 14:15 Exo 20:6

Jesus in His own Words says many will say Lord Lord on the Great Day (believe in His name) but He won't know them because they did not submit to His Fathers will and practiced lawlessness.
Believing in God and obedience to God go hand in hand John 3:16-21.
 
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So we then ignore all the scriptures that Jesus is our example to follow. 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15 and we don't emulate Christ.
To reduce emulating Christ to just a claim to keep a day holy is not doing Justice to our call to emulate him.

Jesus never lectured people on sabbath keeping so if one keeps sabbath to emulate Christ, good, but make sure you emulate all of Him. Especially the weightier matters of the law.
 
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To reduce emulating Christ to just a claim to keep a day holy is not doing Justice to our call to emulate him.

Jesus never lectured people on sabbath keeping so if one keeps sabbath to emulate Christ, good, but make sure you emulate all of Him. Especially the weightier matters of the law.
Who said only but Jesus kept every Sabbath Luke 4:16 and all of the commandments John 15:10, and He told us to Isa 56:1-6 Mark 2:27 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-15 Mat 19:17-19, so how can we emulate Him if we do not follow His example. 1 John 2:6

Jesus said If we love Him, keep His commandments John 14:15- so I guess it depends on if we love Him or and have faith in His teachings to live by them Mat 4:4

Jesus can help I always pray for more love and faith to Him.
 
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Sorry, thats not what this scripture reference means. Jesus was born under the law, the same law we are subject to because in order for Him to be our Savior and the example to follow He had to be tempted just as we are, but yet without sin Heb 4:15 Just like we can overcome through Jesus.
Actually what I posted is what the text means.
Who said only but Jesus kept every Sabbath Luke 4:16 and all of the commandments John 15:10, and He told us to Isa 56:1-6 Mark 2:27 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-15 Mat 19:17-19, so how can we emulate Him if we do not follow His example. 1 John 2:6
Just a point of order. None of these texts say Jesus kept every sabbath. Now, we by faith know that He did because He was under the law. Keeping it perfectly so that by His one sacrifice, He perfects us for ever. Jesus did a lot of things that you do not try to emulate. He lived a life that I do not think you are prepared to live.
Jesus walked wherever He went. Jesus did not own a home. Jesus lived as a celibate. He healed the sick and cast out demons. He publicly rebuked the religious leaders.

No you have a definition of sabbath keeping that you probably keep to yourself and/or your family. It is the correct one of course or else you wouldn't adhere to it.

The Pharisees had theirs also and believed just as much that it was the correct one. They deemed Christ a sabbath breaker. Now Jesus confronted their erroneous beliefs.

But most sabbath keepers spend copious amounts of time proof-texting keeping the sabbath without ever telling anyone just what that means. They do it because they know that it will cause disagreements and arguments. But Jesus was not afraid to do that.

What good is it to tell someone to keep the sabbath if you don't explain how it is to be done?
Jesus said If we love Him, keep His commandments John 14:15- so I guess it depends on if we love Him or and have faith in His teachings to live by them Mat 4:4
It means hearing Him every day, hour and minute as He communicates His will to you. This includes bible study, prayer and meditation.
Jesus can help I always pray for more love and faith to Him.
Are you eternally saved right now?
 
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That's an interesting way to look at it :heart:
Jesus was the stumbling stone then and He still is now. Most of us push him away in one way or another sayin, "I can do it myself."
 
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So can we apply this to murder, or worshipping other gods. Where do we draw the line. Perhaps its not a line for us to draw, but what God draws, which is why our righteousness is as fifthly rags and why we need to seek His righteousness Psa 119:172 and not depend on our own. All of His commandments are righteous Psa 119:172 just as He is righteous
Are these the things you desire to do? If so, you have no desire to be saved at all. If you do not desire to do these things then why would you need a threat to get you started?

God wants to be your Abba, not a stern shop keeper who makes you pay for the lamp you broke. Had a good day? Run to Abba. Fell into a sin, run to Abba. Do you need to be held and no one seems to care, Run to Abba. Your sins have been wiped clean by Jesus sacrifice and now Abba's door is always open and His light is always on.
 
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I can see why those who are seeking their own righteousness would not subject themselves to God's law. Paul tells us these are the lost Rom 8:7-8
You have it exactly opposite. Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is for their salvation. For I testify about them that they are zealous for God, but not on the basis of knowledge. Because they were ignorant of God’s righteousness and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans 10:1-4

Where does this righteousness of our own come from? The law!

Philippians 3:9
and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith—

If we do not desire God we will be glad to sin but if we desire God the law if fulfilled in us and we will walk after the spirit without fear of anxiety about messing up now and then. Even though we will cease to practice sin, we will still struggle with sin but it has no power over us for it has been condemned in our flesh.
 
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Jesus is the one who condemns......and we are Judged based on God's law
John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
 
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Only for Jesus to say to them on that Great Day depart from Me, those who practice lawlessness Mat 7:23
These people pointed to the things they did as their ticket to heaven. Too many Sabbatarians point to their law keeping in the same way. Neither the supernatural miracle working nor the arduous law keeping will get one to know Christ which is the fact that will get us into heaven.
 
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Love is not a feeling, it is a call to action.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
John 14:15 If you love Me, keep My commandments
Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Love is tied to obedience to God. If we love Him, we would keep His commandments, its that simple.

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Jesus gave us everything and asks for so little in return.
No, love is not a call to action. You can't love God by keeping His commandments. You keep His commands because you love him. Love comes first and is the motivator for turning 180 degrees from your sins to walk after the spirit.

His commands are not limited to the 4th commandment. In fact we are not under the ten commandments, we are under Christ and thus we need to obey Christ. If Christ says, "keep the sabbath" then He will tell you how and you will joyfully do it. But you will not put what God commands you to do on someone else.
 
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John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Keep reading…..Jesus didn't come to condemn He came to save, but there is a condemnation because some people prefer darkness instead of coming to the truth John 3:18-21
 
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You keep His commands because you love him
Exactly
.No, love is not a call to action.
Which love leads to action John 14:15 1 John 5:3 Exo 20:6 John 15:10.
Love comes first and is the motivator for turning 180 degrees from your sins to walk after the spirit.
Agree, but why keep arguing about staying in sin, which is what happens when we do not keep His commandments 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30, 1 John 2:4 we stay in darkness instead of coming to the Truth to God's Word.
His commands are not limited to the 4th commandment.
Amen. but it seems to be the one most people argue about keeping
In fact we are not under the ten commandments, we are under Christ and thus we need to obey Christ.
Christ told us to keep the Ten Commandments so you're argument appears to be with a much Higher Authority than I. Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19 Exo 20:6 John 14:15 John 15:10 etc etc
If Christ says, "keep the sabbath" then He will tell you how and you will joyfully do it.
Amen, He does and I do. :)
But you will not put what God commands you to do on someone else
I guess is you are excluded from everyone and from mankind and those who do not want to do what is righteousness, who does not want to love His name and be His servant and join themselves to Him, and those who don’t want His sanctification or blessing, then I guess it wouldn't apply Isa 56:1-6 Mark 2:27 Eze 20:12

Not everyone believes His Word, which we show through our actions by doing His will, Mat 7:21-23 and we can't force anyone so I will leave it as agree to disagree and I pray that we all seek Truth to God's Word.

Take care.
 
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You have it exactly opposite. Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is for their salvation. For I testify about them that they are zealous for God, but not on the basis of knowledge. Because they were ignorant of God’s righteousness and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans 10:1-4

Where does this righteousness of our own come from? The law!

Philippians 3:9
and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith—

If we do not desire God we will be glad to sin but if we desire God the law if fulfilled in us and we will walk after the spirit without fear of anxiety about messing up now and then. Even though we will cease to practice sin, we will still struggle with sin but it has no power over us for it has been condemned in our flesh.
The law does not make someone righteous otherwise we could save ourselves, but we can’t we need Christ. Only Christ can make someone righteous, but that does not mean God’s law is not holy, righteous and good, Rom 7:12 or that we are not to practice righteousness, lest we be deceived. 1 John 3:7

Our obedience leads to righteousness, sin on the other hand leads one down the wrong path Rom 6:16

Christ never taught not to keep the commandments, He taught not to break or teach other to break the least of these. Mat 5:19 John 14:15 I guess it’s up to us to believe Him or not.
 
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Keep reading…..Jesus didn't come to condemn He came to save, but there is a condemnation because some people prefer darkness instead of coming to the truth John 3:18-21
Jesus does not condemn them. They condemn themselves. If I walk off a cliff against God's physical law of gravity. Does He punish me by dashing me to pieces at the foot of the cliff? In the same way neither does He condemn those who walk off the plateau of life into the depths of darkness. Nothing can live in darkness.
 
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