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IS 2 COR 3:6 SPEAKING ABOUT THE NEW COVENANT ?
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These ARE from the 10 ... they are commandments of love to be kept out of Love for God (and Love of our fellow man), they have not been changed and/or abolished.
Nothing new .... it is the reason they why they are kept ... out of Love ... willingly ... Love can not be forced. Love is the motivator (the reason) when kept willingly they show Love.
Romans 13:8-10 Paul states that all of the law is wrapped up in loving our neighbors as ourselves; love is the fulfillment of the law. Owe no one anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
If the law is abolished .... so is Love.
John 14:15-31 GNT“If you love me, you will obey my commandments. I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, who will stay with you forever. We receive the Holy Spirit who helps us keep the commandments willingly our of Love (changes our thinking).
Jesus taught from abolished text or text that would be abolished? Non sense. God never changes.
Matthew 5
The Fulfillment of the Law
17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Heaven and earth has not yet passed away ... the Law is alive and well.
If the 10 were abolished .... then they no longer apply to us? Non sense. We will be judged by them ... and we will be deemed innocent (not that we are innocent) those in Christ will be pardoned because of His shed blood. The very definition of sin is transgression of the law ... sin is alive and well on planet earth ... because of God's laws.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the 10 that God should change and/or abolish them.
The law leads us to Jesus (making us aware of sin-transgression of the law) and after we receive Jesus He sends the Holy Spirit to help us (empowering us) to keep the law (out of Love (willingly) and for no other reasons).
No the covenants in the OT were not abolished they were fulfilled through Christ. God (Jesus) Himself is the only one who can keep covenant with God .... man is incapable of doing so .... that doesn't make God's covenants go away (become of non effect - abolished) God keeps all His covenants ... mankind does not.
The Holy Spirit is our helper (helping us to do what?) changing our thinking ... helping us to keep the law .... out of love.
Galatians 5:14-18I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
We are not under the law .... because the law is kept out of love for God and love of mankind. Again ... it's what motivates us .... Love must be the motivator ... otherwise it is works and our works are filthy rags. Love can not be forced.
Covenants (promises from God) in the OT ... you really think any of these were abolished (done away with)? No ... fulfilled through Christ. Everything is fulfilled through Christ not abolished.
A COVENANT WITH ADAM
GENESIS 2-3 | A promise that a Son of Adam would bring victory. (it happened at the cross and comes to complete fruition at His return)
THE COVENANT WITH NOAH
GENESIS 6:9-22, 9:1-17 | A promise to protect mankind and thus the coming Son of Adam. (it happened, and comes to complete fruition at His return)
THE COVENANT WITH ABRAHAM
GENESIS 12:1-3, 15:1-21, 17:1-27 | A promise to bless all nations through a miraculous birth. (it happened) and (is happening and comes to complete fruition at His return.
THE COVENANT WITH MOSES
EXODUS 19-31 | A promise to not forsake His people—a once-for-all sacrifice would come. (it happened) and comes to full fruition at His return.
THE COVENANT WITH DAVID
2 SAMUEL 7:1-16 | A promise that the everlasting King, the Savior, would come from the line of David. (it happened) the everlasting King comes to complete fruition at His return.
THE NEW COVENANT
HEBREWS 8-9 | A promise to redeem forever all who call on the name of Jesus, making them God's chosen people. (abolished ??? -no) comes to complete fruition at His return.
All covenants are fulfilled (filled fully) through Christ ... not abolished - kept fully by Him and through Him out of Love. His love for the Father and His love of mankind.
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 King James Version (KJV)
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
What is Christ using to judge what is good or bad? Judgement is a legal term ... ie requires law.
John 14:15-31 GNT“If you love me, you will obey my commandments. I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, who will stay with you forever. He is the Spirit, who reveals the truth about God.
What commandments?
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And I see that you have 1 John 4:9 at the bottom of your reply .
Your thoughts on 1 John 5:18 We KNOW that whosoever is BORN of God SINNETH NOT // OU is a Disjuncative Particle Negative and that NOT means you can not ever SIN AGAINNNNNNNN ever again , and that Wicked one Toucheth hin NOT // OU and is and other DISJCUATIVE Paticicle Negative , and means Satan can never touch him ever Again !!
Your thoughts ??
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For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. Heb 9:15
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Here is what Christ will do at the JUDGEMENT SEAT OF CHRIST , called the BEMA SEAT , 1 COR 3:6 !!
# 1 In verse , 6 , we are FARMERS , as PAUL has Planted
# 2 And we are to water , means preaching and teaching and being IMITATORS of Paul .
Will try to finish Friday as I have to leave , SORRY !!
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He became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey Him; Heb 5:9-11
Trust in the Lord forever, for the Lord, the Lord himself, is the Rock eternal. Isaiah 26:4
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And Heb 5:11 , says , Of whom we have much to say , and HARD to explain , since you have become DULL of HEARING <
Who is Paul speaking to HERE ?
To Gentiles ?
To Greeks ? To Jews ?
To Foreigners?
To SCYTHIAN ?
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To both Jews and Gentiles who have faith, no explantion is necessary. (1 Cor 12:13)
To those without faith, no explanation is possible. TA (1 Cor 15:33)
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You are not redeemed with your messy shananigans. (1 Peter 1:18-19)
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Lord, You will establish peace for us, [And it shall be an everlasting covenant with them Ezekiel 37:26]
For You have also done all our works in us. Isaiah 26:12 (For we are His workmanship Eph 2:10)
As it is in the gatherings of the saints. 1 Cor 14:33 The Lord's faithful people are the excellent ones; Psalm 16:3
Set your hearts on the gifts of above [James 1:17] to obtain the more excellent way. 1 Corinthians 12:31 For Love never fails. 1 Cor 13:8
Give thanks to the Lord, for He is good; His love endures forever. Psalm 106:1
With a mighty hand and outstretched arm His love endures forever
For the life that has been reborn His love endures forever
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1 John 4:9
It doesn't mean that, as a Christian, we have reached the place where we cannot sin. It means we won't practice sin ... that is ... accepting sin as being OK with God in our lives. Nor does it mean the Lord ignores our sin.
One born of God ... does not continue in sin (does not practice it). Are we still going to sin? Yes, but God abiding in us helps us recognize our sin and gives us the power to overcome it. We ask for forgiveness and repent. If we continue to willing and knowingly to live in sin and ignore the conviction of the Holy Spirit then that is blasphemy and is unpardonable.
The Holy Spirit reveals an area of sin (pride, jealousy, anger, lust, lying, selfishness) for which we need to confess and repent. Conviction by the Holy Spirit leads us to run to God for grace and forgiveness.
If we abide in God the sin that leads to eternal death will not overcome us to that end (can not touch us to that end) ... we are covered by the blood of Jesus ... we are forgiven and will be fully pardoned by Him.
The closer we walk with God and maintain that walk .... weakens the power of the devil over us (he doesn't give up easily) he is a roaring lion intending to devour us ... When we continue in that walk with Jesus the devil will flee (but will return at times) ... those abiding in Christ will not be devoured for eternity. We are in constant battles with sin .... but Jesus has won the war.
The devil can and does touch us ... God allows it at times ... but when we do sin ... if we go to God and ask for forgiveness and repent (turn away from it) the devils touch is of non effect regarding our eternal status in Christ.
Progress .... if Christ be in us our lives should be trending away from sin .... not towards it. We are constantly being sanctified by the Lord throughout our earthly lives. He is always working in our lives to help us overcome sin.
Philippians 3:14
King James Version
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.Will we sin? Yes .... So the question ... How can we go on (continually) sinning? We can not choose to continuously live in sin if indeed the Lord is in us ... as He will bring us to repentance when we do sin ... can we choose not to repent? Yes and if we continue to do so that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and if we are continuously obstinate about it God will remove His Holy Spirit from us and our hearts will become completely hardened. Why would we do that ... knowing eternal life will be forfeited? This is what brings up Pauls question ... why would we choose to go on sinning (knowingly committing blasphemy)? How can we choose do that? This is Pauls point.
1 John 1:8 ESV
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
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Paul was speaking FIRST to Jew // READ Acts 28;25--28 and NOW to Gentiles .
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That He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles;
As He says also in Hosea:
“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.” Rom 9:23-25
Who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. 1 Peter 2:10
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On the contrary, In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, ... 1 John 3:9-10
Since you know that Christ is righteous, you know that all who practice righteousness are God’s children, born of Him. 1 John 2:29
Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. 1 John 3:4-10
So that he would be both just and the one who justifies those of faith in Jesus. Rom 3:26
For if, by the trespass of the one, death reigned; much more shall they that receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through Jesus Christ. Rom 5:17
When you received God’s word, [the good news] you did not receive it as the word of men but as the word of God, which is now at work in you who believe. 1 Thess 2:13
For our Gospel came to you in power, the Holy Spirit gave you full assurance that it was true. (1 Thess 1:5)
Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing by the power of the Holy Spirit. Rom 15:13
That you may know what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, Eph 1:19
For God chose you from the beginning for salvation through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and belief in the truth. 2 Thess 2:13
We have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing power may be seen to be of God, and not of us. 2 Cor 4:7
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I am glad you are able to keep it simple, because it does not look so simple to me.
Reminds me of those who: "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power" 2Timothy3:5 We tend to think the power is in the Blood of Jesus to wash us and to cleanse us of all sin and rebellion. Revelation 7 14 "They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
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Keep things in perspective. Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that the world may be accountable to God. Rom 3:19
Those are the religious zealots who did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own. Rom 10:3-4
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. Rom 3:21-25
For He Himself is our peace Ephesians 2:12-14
For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone; Ephesians 2:18-20
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things; 2 Peter 1:1-3
Yours, O Lord, is the greatness,The power and the glory, The victory and the majesty;
For all that is in heaven and in earth is Yours; Yours is the kingdom, O Lord,
And You are exalted as head over all. Both riches and honor come from You, And You reign over all. 1 Chron 29:10-12
All Your works shall praise You, O Lord, And Your saints shall bless You.
They shall speak of the glory of Your kingdom, And talk of Your power,
To make known to the sons of men His mighty acts, And the glorious majesty of His kingdom. Psalm 145:10-12
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