the myth of flat earth debunked again

[d taylor]

I'm still waiting for an apology from one of the flat earthers in this thread who claimed this image of Jupiter I took is a fake unless I could prove to him it moved across the sky which is problem since it was taken with a clock driven equatorial mount!

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As i stated in the past, show this moving across the sky. If not then you can forget any more reply's to this.

 

[d taylor]

And how limited is that vision at ground level versus human vision at a higher elevation?

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It is a simple understanding the closer an observer is to the flat plane of the earth, the less distance they can observe. Go lay on the ground, eyes looking out over the earth and see how far you can see.

 

[Phil G]

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It is a simple understanding the closer an observer is to the flat plane of the earth, the less distance they can observe. Go lay on the ground, eyes looking out over the earth and see how far you can see.

That’s because the earth is spherical & the nearer you are to the ground the less you can see over the bump of the earth’s curve. What proof do you have that this happens on a flat plane, other than your false claim that the earth is flat of course!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

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It is a simple understanding the closer an observer is to the flat plane of the earth, the less distance they can observe. Go lay on the ground, eyes looking out over the earth and see how far you can see.

You didn't answer the question:
And how limited is that vision at ground level versus human vision at a higher elevation?

 

[d taylor]

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Post a link to just one recording from a space agency, producing actual photographic video of a rocket leaving the earth. Where as the rocket leaves the earth, the earth is seen like in this video. Getting smaller and smaller till the whole globe earth is in view.
Do not bring up this, that is not how a rocket leaves the earth, it travels around the earth till it breaks free of earths atmosphere. Just post the video.

 

[Phil G]

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Post a link to just one recording from a space agency, producing actual photographic video of a rocket leaving the earth. Where as the rocket leaves the earth, the earth is seen like in this video. Getting smaller and smaller till the whole globe earth is in view.
Do not bring up this, that is not how a rocket leaves the earth, it travels around the earth till it breaks free of earths atmosphere. Just post the video.

Still not answering the question, you’re merely obfuscating & trying to distract from your obvious inability to rationally explain your irrational statements

 

[Hans Blaster]

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As i stated in the past, show this moving across the sky. If not then you can forget any more reply's to this.

What are you talking about? On any night when Jupiter is seen in the sky, if you just go out a few hours later it will have moved. The image of Jupiter can be seen instantaneously in a modest telescope.

To repeat: That's what Jupiter looks like and it moves across the sky. It can be easily confirmed by anyone with a couple of observations by eye a few hours apart and a brief look with a telescope.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Post a link to just one recording from a space agency, producing actual photographic video of a rocket leaving the earth. Where as the rocket leaves the earth, the earth is seen like in this video. Getting smaller and smaller till the whole globe earth is in view.
Do not bring up this, that is not how a rocket leaves the earth, it travels around the earth till it breaks free of earths atmosphere. Just post the video.

How about reentry?

 

[sjastro]

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As i stated in the past, show this moving across the sky. If not then you can forget any more reply's to this.

Clearly you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.
As explained it was taken with a clock driven equatorial mount which tracked Jupiter so you will not see a video of it moving across the sky.
The final image are the best still images taken from a video of a stationary Jupiter.

Implying I need to provide a video of a moving Jupiter in order to prove the image is authentic, is a cowardly personal attack.

 

[prodromos]

I have, everyday i look outside, proves human vision is limited.

By the same standard, the guy who never left his Mum's basement proved human vision was limited to a around forty feet.

 

[Phil G]

How about reentry?

Fake! Only joking.

It seems to me that FE proponent arguments generally end up along the lines of the earth is flat because it is. And any evidence provided by spherical earth proponents is evidence of a flat earth because the earth is flat. Therefore the inability to see beyond 3 miles to the horizon when standing at sea level happens because the earth is flat. The fact that equatorial mounts work the way they do is because the earth is flat. The fact that Polaris is never seen in the southern hemisphere is because the earth is flat. The fact that the moon and Orion, for example, are inverted in the southern hemisphere compared to the northern hemisphere is because the earth is flat. The fact that star trails circle around two celestial poles happens because the earth is flat. The fact that nobody can prove to me that the earth is a sphere is because all of their evidence is because the earth is flat.

So it doesn't matter what clear and logical evidence is presented to FE proponents for a spherical earth, they won't accept it because, according to them, the earth is flat and that's all there is to it.

 

[prodromos]

Fake! Only joking.

It seems to me that FE proponent arguments generally end up along the lines of the earth is flat because it is. And any evidence provided by spherical earth proponents is evidence of a flat earth because the earth is flat. Therefore the inability to see beyond 3 miles to the horizon when standing at sea level happens because the earth is flat. The fact that equatorial mounts work the way they do is because the earth is flat. The fact that Polaris is never seen in the southern hemisphere is because the earth is flat. The fact that the moon and Orion, for example, are inverted in the southern hemisphere compared to the northern hemisphere is because the earth is flat. The fact that star trails circle around two celestial poles happens because the earth is flat. The fact that nobody can prove to me that the earth is a sphere is because all of their evidence is because the earth is flat.

So it doesn't matter what clear and logical evidence is presented to FE proponents for a spherical earth, they won't accept it because, according to them, the earth is flat and that's all there is to it.

That about sums it up.

 

[Phil G]

That about sums it up.

It's my honest experience on this forum. I've dabbled in debating with FE proponents on and off here every so often. But while the evidence for a spherical earth is clear, rational and consistent, any evidence put forward for a flat earth is always changing and often contradictory. That fact alone proves that FE proponents really have no evidence whatsoever, all the while accusing spherical earth proponents of lacking proof.

The fact that @d taylor actually contradicts the normal FE accusation of only being able to see hundreds of miles on a flat earth proves that FE proponents just invent something when confronted with clear rational evidence. Now it's a case of having to prove that you should be able to see large distances on a flat earth (which is at least a consistent claim FE proponents have been saying all along) in order to prove that the earth is a sphere! What kind of pathetic nonsense is that?

 

[prodromos]

I'm still waiting for an apology from one of the flat earthers in this thread who claimed this image of Jupiter I took is a fake unless I could prove to him it moved across the sky which is problem since it was taken with a clock driven equatorial mount!

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I've seen similar with my own telescope. Unfortunately I don't have a camera mount, nor do I have a motor drive on my equatorial mount, so I had to constantly adjust the telescope mount to keep Jupiter in view as it would quickly move off to one side. At that level of zoom it doesn't take long for it to move out of view.
Got some lovely views of Saturn and its moon's too.

 

[prodromos]

As i stated in the past, show this moving across the sky. If not then you can forget any more reply's to this.

How exactly is he supposed to show this? At that level of zoom there is nothing else in view to function as a stationary reference point in order to see Jupiter's relative movement, and if there was, it would be so out of focus as to be utterly useless.
Your requests for evidence need to be reasonable and that one isn't.

 

[Phil G]

How exactly is he supposed to show this? At that level of zoom there is nothing else in view to function as a stationary reference point in order to see Jupiter's relative movement, and if there was, it would be so out of focus as to be utterly useless.
Your requests for evidence need to be reasonable and that one isn't.

That’s his whole idea, set unreasonable requests for proof which he knows are not feasible to produce so that he can say no proof was given.

I’m convinced that if he actually saw the spherical earth from space, he would claim that it has the appearance of being spherical because it’s flat!

 

[d taylor]

How exactly is he supposed to show this? At that level of zoom there is nothing else in view to function as a stationary reference point in order to see Jupiter's relative movement, and if there was, it would be so out of focus as to be utterly useless.
Your requests for evidence need to be reasonable and that one isn't.

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I have posted many times, video of Jupiter moving across the sky. Zoom in on the star (using a tripod) and just let the stars move across the viewfinder on a camera.

I usually time it where i know the path the star is taking and after positioning my camera, Just let the star move into the field of view. I hit record before i even see the star on the viewfinder, it just moves into place and across the screen, till the stars exits right.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I have posted many times, video of Jupiter moving across the sky.​

Is Jupiter's motion more like the motion of the Moon (which wanders among the stars), or the motion of a star (fixed in place with respect to 'other' stars in the dome)?

 

[HantsUK]

I live near the coast. Here is a photo I took of an island approximately 21 miles away. My location was about 20 feet above sea level.

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Now here's a photo of the same island I took after I climbed to a higher location at the same 21 mile distance. It's about 190 feet above sea level.

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Much more of the island is visible. At the lower location, the lower regions of the island are obscured by the horizon.

I can repeat this all day long any day the weather allows. It's always pretty much the same. And it cannot be explained by perspective as, on a flat earth, the full side profile of the island should be visible no matter what the elevation from where I look. Even using high magnification, the lower regions of the island are always below the horizon at the lower location.

These are excellent photos clearly showing evidence that the earth cannot be flat.

There are several advantages with observing an island a few miles away compared with looking at ships or boats disappearing over the horizon:

• Islands are large enough to see without needing a telescope or zoom lens
• Islands do not move, so they stay the same apparent size to the observer
• Islands do not move, so you do not have to wait for a ship to sail towards or away from you

Observe the island from somewhere where you can go higher or lower, e.g. a cliff. View the island from different elevations and see if the island looks the same or different.

1) If the earth is flat: starting from a high point and walk (or however) down towards the sea. As you descend, the island will remain fully visible. It will look slightly larger, as you will be very slightly closer, but the difference in unlikely to be enough to notice.

2) If the earth is curved: as you descend and get lower, you will see less of the island as it is hidden (from the bottom up) by the 'horizon'. Depending on the distances and hights involved, the island may not be visible at all from sea level.

Phil G's photos clearly show option 2.

I've observed a small island at the other end of a bay in South Devon disappear from view at sea level.

 

[prodromos]

I have posted many times, video of Jupiter moving across the sky. Zoom in on the star (using a tripod) and just let the stars move across the viewfinder on a camera.

I usually time it where i know the path the star is taking and after positioning my camera, Just let the star move into the field of view. I hit record before i even see the star on the viewfinder, it just moves into place and across the screen, till the stars exits right.

I fail to see how your demand to show Jupiter moving is proof of anything. Someone could just as easily slowly move the camera on the tripod to fake the motion.