Age of the earth.

[BNR32FAN]

That's was a bit of sarcasm

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Adam is chapter two in the Bible. You have all of chapter one before Adam. Remember God rested on the seventh day. So Adam was created on the eighth day. At least from my perspective. God has a pattern that He follows.

Are you aware that the last things God created in chapter 1 on the 6th day were Adam & Eve?

”Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food”; and it was so. God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭26‬-‭31‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[BNR32FAN]

In the history of biblical interpretation, four major types of hermeneutics have emerged: the literal, moral, allegorical, and anagogical. They are not mutual exclusive. All of the different interpretations are valid to some degree. They do not cancel each other out. Some of course have been thought through better than others.

How we interpret the scriptures is dependent upon how the author conveyed the message. There’s nothing allegorical about Genesis 1 or Genesis 2. There’s no moral message in either of these chapters and if you intended to type analytical that’s the exact same as literal. In order for an interpretation to be allegorical the context of the passage has to support an allegorical interpretation. You can’t just apply allegorical interpretations wherever and whenever you please. The truth is in the author’s intended context not whatever best suits your particular beliefs.

 

[Diamond72]

Adam wasn’t in chapter 1?

The man in chapter one was אָדָ֛ם in Hebrew. Adam in Chapter two is הָֽאָדָ֗ם. The extra letter actually means covenant. God had a covenant with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, 6,000 years ago. The male and female in Genesis Chapter one did not have a covenant with God and they did not have the breath of life that God breathed into Adam.
נִשְׁמַ֣ת

The difference is only one letter but there is a huge difference between the hunter gather God created in Chapter one compared to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. They were created to be a food producer and this was the beginning of civilization. Science spends a lot of time to try to figure out the transition from the food gathers to food producers.

Botany can tell us how wild plants became cultivated. If you read the peer reviewed journals that they publish their articles in. People are more interested in how wild animals became farm animals. Man not longer chased the animal herds for food. As man produced more food the population grew because you could now feed people. In my life people use to die from starvation. Now we can produce enough food with modern technology to feed everyone.

John tells us every book in the world would not be enough to explain all that Jesus has done. Many many books could be written talking about the differnece in Adam chapter on and the Adam in Chapter two. All of the Bible explains the meaning of the very first word in the Bible: Beginning. Because God declares the end from the beginning.

Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.’

John 21:25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

 

[BeyondET]

Yes I caught that but what was the point of it? Was the point that Adam wasn’t created on the 6th day because he hadn’t encountered any fish to rule over yet?

No the point being, its alot to happen if a day is supposedly 24 hours each.

 

[BeyondET]

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Yes I did

 

[Diamond72]

There’s nothing allegorical about Genesis 1 or Genesis 2.

The interpretation of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 can vary among different religious traditions and theological perspectives. While some individuals and religious communities interpret these chapters as literal historical accounts of creation, others view them as containing symbolic or allegorical elements alongside historical truths.

I am very versatile and I can see things from different perspectives.

 

[Diamond72]

You can’t just apply allegorical interpretations wherever and whenever you please

Ancient commentaries were finalized hundreds or thousands of years ago. For example Bishop Ushers book is 500 years old. YEC is based on his book that simply talks about the last 6,000 years because at the time of Usher very little was know about the world before we read about Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden in an area now covered by the Persian gulf. There are pearls of wisdom for those who want to look for them.

Matthew 13:46 " when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it."

 

[BNR32FAN]

The man in chapter one was אָדָ֛ם in Hebrew. Adam in Chapter two is הָֽאָדָ֗ם. The extra letter actually means covenant. God had a covenant with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, 6,000 years ago. The male and female in Genesis Chapter one did not have a covenant with God and they did not have the breath of life that God breathed into Adam.
נִשְׁמַ֣ת

The same exact Hebrew word is used in 1 Chronicles 1:1 in the genealogies of Adam.

”Adam, Seth, Enosh, Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech,“
‭‭1 Chronicles‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

1 Chronicles 1:1 Lexicon: Adam, Seth, Enosh,

Was Seth a descendant of these soulless men who were created on the 6th day?

So apparently that interpretation of Genesis 1:26 doesn’t work since the same exact Hebrew word is used in reference to Adam, the father of Seth.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No the point being, its alot to happen if a day is supposedly 24 hours each.

It was a busy day, but there’s no reason why anyone must conclude that everything mentioned in Genesis 2 couldn’t have taken place on that one day.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The interpretation of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 can vary among different religious traditions and theological perspectives. While some individuals and religious communities interpret these chapters as literal historical accounts of creation, others view them as containing symbolic or allegorical elements alongside historical truths.

I am very versatile and I can see things from different perspectives.

There’s a difference between interpreting a passage whatever way best suits your beliefs and interpreting it the way the author intended. Allegorical passages have indications that they are intended to be allegorical.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Ancient commentaries were finalized hundreds or thousands of years ago. For example Bishop Ushers book is 500 years old. YEC is based on his book that simply talks about the last 6,000 years because at the time of Usher very little was know about the world before we read about Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden in an area now covered by the Persian gulf. There are pearls of wisdom for those who want to look for them.

Matthew 13:46 " when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it."

Just because somebody wrote a book about YEC 500 years ago doesn’t mean that’s when YEC began. According to Exodus 20:11 God Himself is a YEC believer. I’ve never read this book written by Bishop Usher, never even heard his name before and yet I believe in YEC because it’s what is taught in the scriptures.

 

[Diamond72]

I believe in YEC because it’s what is taught in the scriptures.

I beleive in YEC also. Adam and Eve were real people that lived in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. Noah's flood was a real flood and he really did save the animals on the ark. You can not just save man, you have to save the whole eco system that man is a part of and that is what Noah did. There is nothing in the Bible that contradicts Science.

 

[Diamond72]

There’s a difference between interpreting a passage whatever way best suits your beliefs and interpreting it the way the author intended.

That is why we study Hebrew.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I beleive in YEC also. Adam and Eve were real people that lived in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. Noah's flood was a real flood and he really did save the animals on the ark. You can not just save man, you have to save the whole eco system that man is a part of and that is what Noah did. There is nothing in the Bible that contradicts Science.

Did you happen to see this thread?

1.6-billion-year-old fossils push back origin of multicellular life by tens of millions of years

"The fossils date back more than 1.6 billion years, which is around 70 million years earlier than scientists previously thought multicellularity arose, according to a new study published Jan. 24 in the journal Science Advances." 1.6-billion-year-old fossils push back origin of multicellular...

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Scientists discovered they were wrong before. How many times does this have to happen before people finally come to the realization that they don’t have all the facts? That their theories are based on predictions and assumptions derived from incomplete data? How many times does science have to contradict itself before people realize this? The dating methods are based on predictions and assumptions.

Let me give you an example. Let’s say we walk into a room and there’s a glass of water sitting under a dripping faucet and I ask you how long that glass has been sitting there. You could calculate the amount of water dripping from the faucet and conclude according to the amount dripping from the faucet it’s been there for 2 hours. Then we see a camera in the corner of the room and go and look at the video footage and find that someone came in 5 minutes ago got a drink, and put the glass under the faucet half full of water. The calculation was incorrect because it had missing information and that’s why the calculation was based on the information you had at the time. That’s what the dating methods are doing. They’re a prediction based on the limited information we have now.

The thing is we have a recording of what took place and your ignoring the recording because it conflicts with the evidence that is based on incomplete information.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That is why we study Hebrew.

Ok so what about Genesis 1:26 in light of 1 Chronicles 1:1? Now that we’ve examined the Hebrew more closely can you conclude that Genesis 1:1 is not referring to soulless Neanderthals?

 

[Diamond72]

The same exact Hebrew word is used in 1 Chronicles 1:1 in the genealogies of Adam

The exact same word we see for Adam in Genesis chapter TWO הָֽאָדָ֖ם The word we see in Genesis Chapter two and 1 chronicles 1:1 is הָֽאָד This word has one less letter. You can study the Hebrew yourself. There are four letters used at the end of word. To add or remove a letter has profound implication.

In this case the MEM indicates a closed body of water. The hunter gather came to an end. But the Adam we read about in Chapter two will live forever. There will be no end. The Adam in chapter two did evolve or is a descendant of the Adam in Chapter one. But the genealogies refer to the Adam in chapter two. Bishop Ussher's book is a history of all the people that we read about in the genecology of Jesus. It is more of a reference book or encyclopedia.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The exact same word we see for Adam in Genesis chapter TWO הָֽאָדָ֖ם The word we see in Genesis Chapter two and 1 chronicles 1:1 is הָֽאָד This word has one less letter. You can study the Hebrew yourself. There are four letters used at the end of word. To add or remove a letter has profound implication.

No that’s incorrect. Look at the link I provided from biblehub.com. It’s the same exact 3 letter word used in Genesis 1:26.

1 Chronicles 1:1 Lexicon: Adam, Seth, Enosh,

Where are you getting the idea that it’s a different Hebrew word from? What’s your source?

 

[BNR32FAN]

The exact same word we see for Adam in Genesis chapter TWO הָֽאָדָ֖ם The word we see in Genesis Chapter two and 1 chronicles 1:1 is הָֽאָד This word has one less letter. You can study the Hebrew yourself. There are four letters used at the end of word. To add or remove a letter has profound implication.

Heres the word in Genesis 1:26 אָדָ֛ם
Here’s the word in 1 Chronicles 1:1 אָדָ֥ם
They’re exactly identical.

Here’s a link to biblehub for Genesis 1:26

Genesis 1:26 Lexicon: Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that cre

Here’s a link to biblehub for 1 Chronicles 1:1

1 Chronicles 1:1 Lexicon: Adam, Seth, Enosh,

The word we see for Adam in Genesis 2 is irrelevant. Your argument is that Genesis 1:26 is not referring to Adam because it’s a different spelling with a different meaning and I’m pointing out that 1 Chronicles 1:1 uses the exact same spelling that is used in Genesis 1:26 and it’s referring to Adam the father of Seth. This proves that your claim that the Hebrew word אָדָ֛ם doesn’t mean Adam is incorrect. Obviously if 1 Chronicles 1 begins with אָדָ֛ם and continues naming the descendants of Adam this is the same Adam mentioned in Genesis chapter 1 and Genesis chapter 2.

Here’s the list of Adam’s descendants from Genesis 5

”When Adam had lived one hundred and thirty years, he became the father of a son in his own likeness, according to his image, and named him Seth. Then the days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years, and he had other sons and daughters. So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years, and he died. Seth lived one hundred and five years, and became the father of Enosh. Then Seth lived eight hundred and seven years after he became the father of Enosh, and he had other sons and daughters. So all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years, and he died. Enosh lived ninety years, and became the father of Kenan.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5‬:‭3‬-‭9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Here’s the list in 1 Chronicles 1

”Adam, Seth, Enosh, Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared,“
‭‭1 Chronicles‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Are we seeing a pattern here?

When you try to force a square peg into a round hole it always leaves an indication that it doesn’t fit no matter how hard you try to hammer it in there. It’s probably time to find a new commentary because this one’s been discredited.

 

[Diamond72]

Heres the word in Genesis 1:26 אָדָ֛ם
Here’s the word in 1 Chronicles 1:1 אָדָ֥ם
They’re exactly identical.

26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”

27So God created man in His own image;

The man in verse 27 is NOT spelled the same as the man in verse 26.

According to Strong's one is used 316 times and the other is used 22 times. You can read all 22 and NONE of them refer to the Adam in chapter 2.

You can believe what you want, I do not do this for you, I to this for myself so I know what the word of God says.

Hebrew Concordance: ’ā·ḏām -- 22 Occurrences

 

[BNR32FAN]

Once, Twise, Three Times A ........... Million Million Times ? Will it change anything, ever?
Grace. Once is enough. Unlimited, Immeasurable Grace.

It never ceases to amaze me how everyone thinks scientists know it all yet they’re constantly finding new evidence showing that they were wrong before. But everyone says “oh but we’ve learned so much since then we have much better technology now” and yet they still keep finding out they were wrong decade after decade for thousands of years. Always no matter what present time it is people hold what scientists say as being fact and never seem to contemplate the quest, when will be the next time they find out they were wrong again? The predicted age of the earth changes decade after decade as they find more & more information, it’s too bad they’ll never find all of the information they need to make an accurate prediction.