And this has nothing to do with abuse, which is not just about acting on feelings.
All abuse involves negative feelings such as fear, anxiety, threat and anger. Its easy for these negative feelings to take over and dictate behaviour especially when the situation involves parents already having difficulty processing and controlling their thinking and feelings.
No, you haven't. You've thrown a lot of things together and claimed a combined effect, but not demonstrated it.
I haven't thrown just anything together but all aspects that are connected. If abuse involves stress, negative emotions, thinking irrationally and other risk factors then they are relevant. Therefore all my links relate to the risk factors and mechanisms that go into those risk factors.
But you have not shown that any of these contribute to the beliefs which drive abuse.
Yes I have you just have either not read the links properly or have read this and have not understood how its connected to abuse. Or you have just plain ignored them.
As the evdience I linked shows irrational thinking and beliefs stem from stress and psychological disorders like anxiety. This distorts parents worldview for whoc they base their beliefs and thinking on. This further feeds stress and anxiety.
Due to poor emotional regulation the parents cannot manage and cope and therefore act out in reactions rather than rationalise these negative feelings away. This results in violent and abusive behaviour. The articles explained this you just ignored it.
But abuse is not about irrational beliefs. This is the claim you keep repeating, but have provided absolutely no evidence for.
Yes it is. I don't even need scientific evidence for this but logic. If abuse and violence is not driven by irrational beliefs then why do prevention approaches say that these beliefs are harmful and want to change them. Its that simple.
But I also linked the evidence showing the emotional and thinking process of psychologically distressed abd abusing parents that clearly states their thinking becomes irrational and distorted and their perception of the world skewed because of their anxiety and psychological distress. .
This is talking about adults dealing with their controlling parents. It's got nothing to do with the physical abuse of children.
Ah I thought abuse was about controlling parents. It actually talks about children and abusing parents and explains how abusive parents think. ie
Controlling parents tend to be anxious, paranoid and possessive. They take conflicts personally, very rarely apologise and it is almost impossible to disagree with them without receiving a forceful backlash. Their unregulated and overwhelming angst will spill over into a tendency to over-control. Some controlling parents express their underlying fears through aggression
Again, nothing to do with abuse.
It has in that stress and anxiety has been linked to irrational thinking and beliefs as well as abuse. Like I said not all the links covered all the aspects. But this link covered the mechanisms which prime and lead parents to abuse.
Nothing to do with abuse!
Once again yes it is when you consider I have provided evidence that stress, anxiety, and/or irrational thinking and beliefs is connected to controlling, aggressive, violent and abusive behaviour.
We've been around this. People who abuse have the faculty of reason.
But they are reasoning about unreal thinking. The stress and anxiety exaggerates and distorts their world so the percieve things as unreal. Reasoning about unreal perceptions is not going to help make clear and rational decisions but rather irrational ones.
They are not acting irrationally. While we might see the beliefs which drive abuse as ethically problematic, they are not inherently irrational. And "we would hope" is not exactly backed by evidence.
Yes they are not backed by the evdience, the facts and reality. Its not about ethics but facts, objective reality as opposed to unreal thinking. Thats what makes them irrational to believe they are real and good because they are not. Otherwise how can we tell them they are wrong, their thinking is mistaken, they are imagining things.
If you want to make any argument about "irrational beliefs" driving abuse, you need to actually show it.
Just did. I can also link evdience for Ellis's famous theory of Rational Emotive Therapy. This goes to the roots of emotional distress, the actual thinking errors and the faulty beliefs that are active under distress. At their core, irrational beliefs that lead to anger can be categorized into Albert Ellis' REBT model of Irrational beliefs of a) Demandingness, b) Awfulizing, c) Frustration Intolerance, and d) Self-Downing/Other-Downing/Life-Downing.
albertellis.org
Further, REBT distinguishes between rational and irrational beliefs, and suggests that in response to failure, maltreatment, and misfortune, people can react with either healthy or unhealthy emotional and behavioral responses.
In this article Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy (REBT) is proposed as a potentially important framework for the understanding and promotion of mental health in athletes. Cognitive-behavioral approaches predominate in the provision of sport ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
We define that in law. The question of whether people can, or attempt to, justify it is not relevant.
No we define that line through science just as the OP points out that child abuse has been proven to cause psychological damage.
Already abusive people may abuse when stressed.
Already abusive people have been primed to believe in abuse due to the psychological distress they experience which warps their perception to the world, their world where their thinking is irrational.
But no amount of stress will cause someone who doesn't hold the attitudes and beliefs which justify abuse, to abuse.
We are back to this now. Turning good people who may occassionally do bad stuff into secret eveil doers who believe in violence depsite them saying they don't. Thats more ideology than reality.
I'm going to turn the cards around this time and ask you to provide scientific evidence that your claim is correct. That every single person who ever lashes out, snaps, kicks a chair against a wall, slams their door, or abuses someone even once secretly holds beliefs that this behaviour is perfectly ok to do.
But that doesn't mean they'll abuse.
But it does mean they may abuse. Something that is streessed and breaks down is exactly that, they stop functioning properly, stop thinking straight, cannot manage or cope, some cannot even pay the bills or work or manage the home let alone kids.
So they react, fail to think, fail to manage their feelings and this creates more breakdowns in communication, and behaviour ect. Your making out like these troubled parents should be acting normal on par with healthy people.
Then by all means feel free to let the conversation lapse, with the understanding that I consider your claims unfounded.
I actually enjoy the discussion or rather debate as it helps investigate a topic where we can lean more about it. Like I said this is my mode, I would rather research than watch TV.
But people don't even abuse because they're anxious.
Of course they do if you understand the psychology. Basically stress especially prolonged stress leads to anxiety disorders. Anxiety disorders are basically severe worry, fear of something usually regarding a threat. This is the fight and flight instinct gone wrong where anxiety distorts things and the precieved threat is unreal.
But as with threat some run and cower in the corner and others fight back. But because their perception of the world and reality is exagerated and misaligned their fight response is also out of whack. Hense they lash out and become violent and abusive at the percieved threat when its actually not a threat.
This also accounts for their irrational thinking and beliefs. Because their perception is warped and their believe there is a threat of some sort they come to believe that their reaction to that threat is justified because its a matter of survival or warding off a threat even though its unreal. Thats why its irrational because its based in unreal perceptions of what is actually happening.
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