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The Fall of the West (It's Happening Now)

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The problem with that idea, however, is obvious:...................................................................................................................
Well, it is too small a sample. But you could add other important Patriotic writers, Frances Schaeffer, R. J. Rushdooney, Dinsesh D'Souza, David Barton, Milton Friedman...

It would be a kind of Oracle, whatever you asked it you could be sure of getting an approved Christian answer without any left-wing bias.
 
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Well, it is too small a sample. But you could add other important Patriotic writers, Frances Schaeffer, R. J. Rushdooney, Dinsesh D'Souza, David Barton, Milton Friedman...
I suppose one could attempt to do so (not me, of course, but some other "you" could). However, I wouldn't count that angle of Christian thought as definitive for Christianity by any necessity any more than I would some line of Christian thought from the other end of the spectrum.
It would be a kind of Oracle, whatever you asked it you could be sure of getting an approved Christian answer without any left-wing bias.

I see my allusion was utterly lost on you. ... oh, well.
 
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I suppose one could attempt to do so (not me, of course, but some other "you" could). However, I wouldn't count that angle of Christian thought as definitive for Christianity by any necessity any more than I would some line of Christian thought from the other end of the spectrum.
It certainly is definitive of the kind of Christian thought that believes AI has a left-wing bias.
I see my allusion was utterly lost on you. ... oh, well.
Yes it was.
 
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It certainly is definitive of the kind of Christian thought that believes AI has a left-wing bias.
It really isn't dependent upon what the AI itself can "do" that is the main political qualifier here.
 
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Well, it is too small a sample. But you could add other important Patriotic writers, Frances Schaeffer, R. J. Rushdooney, Dinsesh D'Souza, David Barton, Milton Friedman...
That's quite a list, though I find it odd to include D'Souza and Barton with people like Friedman and Rushdooney.
It would be a kind of Oracle, whatever you asked it you could be sure of getting an approved Christian answer without any left-wing bias.
Christian and the political left are not mutually exclusive.
 
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Oh the people will come out of the cities all right... to plunder what they can from those who follow the old ways, their rural lives literally in peril as the greedy seek what they can grab now, leaving nothing for later, thus bringing it all to an end. Insanity. As we speak, governments are shutting down farmer's markets and harassing self sufficient farms and homes because the corporates demand they do so, and the media then pushes the notion food growers are hoarding and trying to starve the cities (which they are not). Insanity. Follow the money and you will see it is a handful of unregulated elites who are responsible for shortages and sudden inflation as food becomes weaponized as a means of control. What do the people do? Sit at home and watch the news for a hint their governments will help them. Insanity
I think there is some truth to this. There is no reason why we should have people going without anything like food and health anywhere in the world let alone the so called wealthy western nations. No society can have peace and be humane while at the same time putting profits before people.
 
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No society can have peace and be humane while at the same time putting profits before people.
And manipulating and restricting what anyone may grow for food, persecuting them if they refuse to adhere to the corporate system
 
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And manipulating and restricting what anyone may grow for food, persecuting them if they refuse to adhere to the corporate system
That to me seems related to the bible verse in Revelations about no one being able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast.
 
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That to me seems related to the bible verse in Revelations about no one being able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast.
Extremely good catch on your part. Most just apply it to the consumer end of the scale, rather than the producer. Kind of applies to Corporatism doesn't it, especially in the last couple of years with so many small businesses lost as free enterprise is shut down, especially private farms or gardeners who can't even grow crops year to year from their produce any more because someone else has patented the seed and says no.
 
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Extremely good catch on your part. Most just apply it to the consumer end of the scale, rather than the producer. Kind of applies to Corporatism doesn't it, especially in the last couple of years with so many small businesses lost as free enterprise is shut down, especially private farms or gardeners who can't even grow crops year to year from their produce any more because someone else has patented the seed and says no.
My son is right into this idea that everything is run by a small group of elites like Bill Gates, Obama, Klaus Schwab and the WEF and other rich folk, I think George Suros is another. Those big global conglomerates that own just about every brand in the world like Black Rock ect. Also the CIA who have the largest intelligence operations around the world.

They have enough power to dictate to governments economic policy but also on health and security as these are related. This is the real power.

I think Covid sped things up and showed how people can be controlled due to health and this has quickly transferred to existing intelligence and controls relating to security. Its easy to see how this is all going to converge economic, security and health into one system of control as it will solve a lot of problems. They use chaos to round people up and enslave them.
 
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controls relating to security. ... solve a lot of problems
They give the impression that it is for mankind, but when have the elites ever done anything other than to benefit themselves. Yes there is increased security and yes a lot of problems have been solved... for themselves. Thankfully some left over rogue elements within a few governments, who believe they represent the people rather than the elites, are starting to make headway using the system to question what has been happening recently and hopefully they will succeed providing they avoid flying in smaller aircraft or end up having to seek asylum in foreign embassies.
 
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They give the impression that it is for mankind, but when have the elites ever done anything other than to benefit themselves. Yes there is increased security and yes a lot of problems have been solved... for themselves. Thankfully some left over rogue elements within a few governments, who believe they represent the people rather than the elites,

Why should I care what the 'elite' do? In fact, why shouldn't I be ecstatic about what the elite are doing? They certainly can't do any more to mess things up than a hodgepodge of world governments are already doing. And putting your faith in some 'rogue elements'... are you serious? I say let the conglomerates handle it, I don't want 'rogue elements' anywhere near a position of power. As for the people... yikes, have you been paying attention to the state of the world lately? People aren't the solution, they're the problem. Although to be precise, it's not people per se that are the problem, it's the people who are fanatically convinced that there are monsters and demons out to destroy us that's the problem. I'm sorry, but contrary to those rogue elements, humanity is muddling along the same way it always has... by overcoming one supposed humanity ending catastrophe after another.

As they say, this too shall pass. Personally I can hardly wait to see what happens when our AI overlords take control. Or have they already?
 
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I don't think that it matters at all which side of the fence you're on, I don't see why 'Corporatism' is a detriment to anybody.
Of course it does. Corporatism either gobbles up everything or destroys it, stating small this time around a hundred and fifty years ago until today where it eats up nations. Perfect anti-Christ system for an anti-Christ. Same system used to form what ultimately became the state church 1700 years ago.
 
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I don't think that it matters at all which side of the fence you're on, I don't see why 'Corporatism' is a detriment to anybody.

Investigate the actions of the Dutch and British East India companies. Or United Fruit Company, Standard Oil and U.S. Steel Corporation. Or the Chinese Imperial salt monopoly. Or any one of nearly limitless examples of what happens when corporations are basically exempted from regulation.
 
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