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Just saying something doesn't matter and is not true - is not a winning argument - In theology or even just a debate - we learn and grow by posting point and counter point - summarily dismissing a post is non productive IMHO-@hislegacy - what was that all about? None of it matters, most isn't true, and on the whole it contributes nothing to the discussion.
I look forward to your replies that actually challenge what I posted - show how most of it is not true -
@Xeno.of.athens - I am well aware that teaching has spanned generations - my questions still stand. Yes you can find quotes that support your position - as I can also find quotes to support mine.@hislegacy
Despite his role as a Presbyterian church minister in the nineteenth century, Albert Barnes writes:
Mat 16:18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter - The word “Peter,” in Greek, means “a rock.” It was given to Simon by Christ when he called him to be a disciple, Joh 1:42
Cephas is a Syriac word, meaning the same as Peter - a rock, or stone. The meaning of this phrase may be thus expressed: “Thou, in saying that I am the Son of God, hast called me by a name expressive of my true character. I, also, have given to thee a name expressive of your character. I have called you Peter, a rock, denoting firmness, solidity, stability, and your confession has shown that the name is appropriate. I see that you are worthy of the name, and will be a distinguished support of my religion.”
And upon this rock ... - This passage has given rise to many different interpretations. Some have supposed that the word “rock” refers to Peter’s confession, and that Jesus meant to say, upon this rock, this truth that thou hast confessed, that I am the Messiah and upon confessions of this from all believers, I will build my church. Confessions like this shall be the test of piety, and in such confessions shall my church stand amid the flames of persecution, the fury of the gates of hell. Others have thought that Jesus referred to himself. Christ is called a rock, Isa 28:16; 1Pe 2:8. And it has been thought that he turned from Peter to himself, and said, “Upon this rock, this truth that I am the Messiah - upon myself as the Messiah, I will build my church.” Both these interpretations, though plausible, seem forced upon the passage to avoid the main difficulty in it. Another interpretation is, that the word “rock” refers to Peter himself. This is the obvious meaning of the passage; ...
Your position states that Jesus said the Church would be built on Peter - yet Peter never founded a church, never wrote and Epistle addressing church governance or structure (as Paul did), was never recorded as a global leader in the Catholic (universal) church, is not noted to give instructions to churches, wrote only two of 27 Books that form the modern church...... the list goes on.
In fact Peter's role as the foundation of the church was not spoken of until the 'church' became Romanized in the third century.
The teaching flies in the face of what the Holy Spirit said through Paul:
Eph 2:19 19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord,
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