Transgenderism Is A Real Threat To Christians

[Paulos23]

Yes, for humans in this forum.

Why are some who adamantly reject Christian beliefs actively posting here? Are they attempting to "evangelize" their secular atheism, or is it simply that misery loves company?

You should honestly look into the history of the site.

 

[Hazelelponi]

As God and His word have been taken out of society and left a void it has been filled with other gods and idols. Thats what happens when people reject God. It happened even to the Isrealites in worshipping the Golden Calf.

Except now peoples eyes are not turned outward but inward as to what represents all the aspects of life that we once attributed to God that was beyond us all and united people.

So we see the growth of ideologies about who we are and how we should order society based on human constructions. We are now the gods and can recreate just about anything including our biological sex.

But Gods order is also the truth and the truth cannot be denied or hidden forever. Nature and reality have a way of coming back to bite people. If its not a naturally evolving behaviour or idea that fits with what is actually going on then it begins to show and when its applied to real world situations it is exposed.

That is what I think we have been seeing the start of, the reality of how this gender ideology actually is unreal. WE have seen it with 'Go Woke Go Broke' where companies like Bud Light and Disney have lost millions with failed campaigns and movies.

Now I see Tom MacDonald and Ben Shapiro with a number one song which is almost an antham now for rejecting these ideologies. We see other movements like with crowd funding independent media which is fighting back against the dominance of this ideaology in mainstream media and its beginning to make a difference.

People are being educated about the reality of these ideas and how they are actually dangerous to society. They divide society into identity groups pitted against each other exaggerating the differences and denying individuality the very basis for which free societies were setup.

Actually its more the case that the unrealness of these ideas are exposing themselves and its only a matter of time before people see that. Its the same with other fads like eating disorders which come and go. Though the new Woke and Gender ideology seems to have deep roots because its tied to our identity.

Ideology is a cunning and powerful influence and people find other ways to push their beliefs and agenda so it won't die easy and in fact may take a new and dangerous form if left unchecked.

So this is a culture war but I think at its very foundation its a spiritual war about who is God, who is the authority over our lives. We use to be mostly united by a belief and respect for a power greater than ourselves. Now we are divided by self.

I think that's what this issue has caused in me the most, a complete assessment (a first time assessment for me as a Christian) of what the Christian stance on medicine even should be. I've been thinking a lot about it the last couple years, specifically because transgendering children takes it so far off the cliff you have to step back and just assess where we are even supposed to be with our own medical care.

It's a weighty topic for real.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I think that's what this issue has caused in me the most, a complete assessment (a first time assessment for me as a Christian) of what the Christian stance on medicine even should be. I've been thinking a lot about it the last couple years, specifically because transgendering children takes it so far off the cliff you have to step back and just assess where we are even supposed to be with our own medical care.

It's a weighty topic for real.

"transgendering" is not a verb. No adult is going around assigning alternative genders to children against their wills.

 

[Bradskii]

I think that's what this issue has caused in me the most, a complete assessment (a first time assessment for me as a Christian) of what the Christian stance on medicine even should be.

With respect, that seems an odd statement to make. I can understand a generic view on euthanasia or abortion for example (but even then there are a variety of views). But Is there a 'Christian view' regarding medicine?

 

[Hazelelponi]

"transgendering" is not a verb. No adult is going around assigning alternative genders to children against their wills.

That's pretending they are old enough to consent to these procedures.

I was a really stubborn 14 year old.

I didn't know everything, and my decisions changed the course of my entire life before I was old enough to get a learners permit. Literally affected every single day for the rest of my life.

Some decisions I'm still happy with, others of it, no... They were the worst decisions of my life, and I couldn't ever take them back and make them right again.

I own the above because I really was just that stubborn, but man... as an older, formerly rebellious teenager mother I have to tell you kid's just aren't old enough to make these kinds of decisions until they get to adulthood.

Adults need to be the ones making these decisions, not adolescents. And they need to take more care of their childrens health than this.

Beginning these medical steps are permanent decisions that will affect the rest of these kid's lives.

And I for one, Christian or no would rather see happy homosexual children growing up into healthy, but gay, adults than mentally and physically destroyed medical experiments gone wrong, tied to medical care for the rest of their lives ..

Even taking the whole Christian thing out of the mix and being straight out of consideration I still have to say the same thing.

The goal should be happy healthy kids, and medical intervention exceedingly rare. Start letting kids go back to naturally figuring out who and what they are as children, as they go through puberty naturally.

I'm a mom and this is just.. we need to pull way way back and start putting the kids first. They aren't right now.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

With respect, that seems an odd statement to make. I can understand a generic view on euthanasia or abortion for example (but even then there are a variety of views). But Is there a 'Christian view' regarding medicine?

Yes, there is, but it's somewhat generic and comes in the admonition: try not to use too much of it.

 

[Hazelelponi]

With respect, that seems an odd statement to make. I can understand a generic view on euthanasia or abortion for example (but even then there are a variety of views). But Is there a 'Christian view' regarding medicine?

That's the whole thing there's really not.

Issues like medicine you usually just go by whatever your own ethics are.

Well, I had a major realigning of my own ethical outlook on life. Instead of "what do I think" I also wanted to know what Biblical Christian ethics might say about it as well.

Literally changing your body to that degree makes you step back and reassess the entire medical industry and our relationship as practicing Christians to it.

I am disabled, have had 3 major back surgeries, and need regular pain management for a chronic pain disease (CRPS type 2) just to be able to shower and use the bathroom without help.

So for me it did make me reassess.

 

[BCP1928]

With respect, that seems an odd statement to make. I can understand a generic view on euthanasia or abortion for example (but even then there are a variety of views). But Is there a 'Christian view' regarding medicine?

The only "Christian view" I am aware of is that there should be no single payer healthcare system.

 

[AlexB23]

The only "Christian view" I am aware of is that there should be no single payer healthcare system.

The Christian view that I am aware of is that companies should not put profits before people. Insulin should be $10 instead of $200. Also, euthanasia, abortion and death penalty are all violating the respect of a living individual. However, in the case of abortion, if having the baby will cause both mother and child to die, then to save one life such as the mother's, an abortion could prevent an extra death.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Take care all. I'm going for the night.

 

[AlexB23]

Take care all. I'm going for the night.

You too, fellow Christian.

 

[Bradskii]

Well, I had a major realigning of my own ethical outlook on life. Instead of "what do I think" I also wanted to know what Biblical Christian ethics might say about it as well.

My sympathies for any problems that you have.

I'm not sure that 2,000 year old scripture is a great source of information to determine an approach to modern medicine. But 'what do I think' is a great place to start. But the problem then can be, of course, that what you find you believe to be correct doesn't actually align with your religious position.

 

[Niels]

Transgenderism is just the latest cultural wedge the media and politicians are using to drive engagement with their platforms. The more we’re all preoccupied with something that concerns 1% of the population, the less likely we are to recognize how much we all really have in common. The more divided we are, the less likely we are to push for fundamental change.

Yes, and the less likely we are to pay attention to issues that personally affect us. Aging infrastructure that is falling into disrepair, for instance, is more relevant to the typical citizen than something like transgenderism will ever be.

 

[AlexB23]

Yes, and the less likely we are to pay attention to issues that personally affect us. Aging infrastructure that is falling into disrepair, for instance, is more relevant to the typical citizen than something like transgenderism will ever be.

Agreed. Aging infrastructure, global warming, hunger in the US and pharma companies charging hundreds on insulin are much more important in my opinion. The gender stuff (<1-2% of population) is just a way for politicians to distract us from the real issues. Both the Democrats and Republicans are focusing on superficial issues instead of real world things such as making cities more walkable, better public transport, ending hunger in schools, and fixing our roads that will benefit us all.

 

[Whyayeman]

Agreed. Aging infrastructure, global warming, hunger in the US and pharma companies charging hundreds on insulin are much more important in my opinion. The gender stuff (<1-2% of population) is just a way for politicians to distract us from the real issues. Both the Democrats and Republicans are focusing on superficial issues instead of real world things such as making cities more walkable, better public transport, ending hunger in schools, and fixing our roads that will benefit us all.

Wherever I find the word 'woke' I find a reactionary opinion close behind. It is just a kind of perverse virtue signalling buzz word for conservatives.

It is always in my view a failure to 'walk a mile in another man's shoes'. And generally indicates disapproval (and too often disdain) of other people.

 

[partinobodycular]

Insulin should be $10 instead of $200.

T1 by any chance?

 

[AlexB23]

Wherever I find the word 'woke' I find a reactionary opinion close behind. It is just a kind of perverse virtue signalling buzz word for conservatives.

It is always in my view a failure to 'walk a mile in another man's shoes'. And generally indicates disapproval (and too often disdain) of other people.

Yeah, but I did not mention the word "woke" in my reply. But yes, "woke" is a buzzword from MAGA and the far-right (can't stand the far-right or the far-left). We should try to put ourselves into other's shoes, but not go overboard and show disapproval. We must show common sense, and having minors transitioning is not right. If one can not drink beer until age 21, and the brain is not fully developed until age 25, why should we allow kids to be brainwashed into trans stuff?

 

[AlexB23]

T1 by any chance?

I have no diabetes. Just defending the large percentage of our population that has T1 diabetes. We need to stand up for our citizens and give them cheaper medications. Biden thankfully lowered the cost of insulin recently.

 

[Hans Blaster]

That's pretending they are old enough to consent to these procedures.

[personal ramble deleted]

I didn't say anything about "procedures". I was

A) commenting on your invented grammar. "Transgender" is not a verb. It is an adjective used to describe people, among other things. Consenting to a procedure is not "trangendering" someone.

B) No one is forcing kids to change their gender pronouns except those forcing a change back to the assumptions given at birth.

C) Even if we go with you medical notion, no one is forcing kids to get sex-reassignment surgery or take hormones against their wills.

 

[partinobodycular]

Just defending the large percentage of our population that has T1 diabetes.

Actually 95% of diabetics are T2. But I get the whole insulin thing. I had a brother and sister who were both diabetic since age 8. It was just that at 24 years old you'd likely be a T1. Glad to hear that you're neither.