The Bible does not say the Earth Is 7,000 Years Old

[BNR32FAN]

God would of used what Moses could comprehend and the system in place at that time.

Why do you think that Moses couldn’t understand the concept of billions of years?

 

[RandyPNW]

Ok but this is just ignoring evidence. Can you show me one single example of the word Yom being used in reference to anything other than a 24 hour period of time?

You are ignoring my argument that the word "yom" means what it means, but means something different when used, by the context, as a metaphor.

The point is staring at you in the face. The creation story uses the word for day, with an evening and a morning, to express, metaphorically, a period of time, or a category. The context dictates that it is being used metaphorically, because the earth did not exist on the 1st day, or so it seems?

 

[RandyPNW]

Exodus 20:11 tells us how long creation took.

No, that is not decisive in stating that literal days are meant--only that in mimicking the Creation people apply that to *their days" literally. The Creation "days" are obviously different, in my thinking. The days observing the "days of Creation" were memorial days, whereas the Creation days were transcendent, not being able to fit into our definition of a literal day.

It's like saying, God performed acts of creation in 6 distinct categories, represented metaphorically by "days." And then God rested afterwards, represented by a single 7th "day."

Do you really think God rested for only a 24 hour day? Israel was to mimic God's creation "days," or categories by observing "days" in His honor, just as we might observe a single holiday to honor the end of a war, which may have taken much longer than a day.

The 7 day week was a "memorial week" observed in honor of God's Creation Week, which was so transcendent that it had to be put in the language of our "days."

 

[BNR32FAN]

You are ignoring my argument that the word "yom" means what it means, but means something different when used, by the context, as a metaphor.

The point is staring at you in the face. The creation story uses the word for day, with an evening and a morning, to express, metaphorically, a period of time, or a category. The context dictates that it is being used metaphorically, because the earth did not exist on the 1st day, or so it seems?

The reason I ask this is because the word day is used in reference to an unspecified amount of time throughout the Old Testament numerous times and not once is the word Yom actually used in any of those instances. In every single case the word Beyovm is used. On top of that Beyovm is never used in reference to a 24 hour period. So it seem strange to me that only in Genesis 1 would we see a different usage of the word Yom than anywhere else in the entire Old Testament. I mean I’m just trying to present evidence here and you seem like you just don’t want to see it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You are ignoring my argument that the word "yom" means what it means, but means something different when used, by the context, as a metaphor.

The point is staring at you in the face. The creation story uses the word for day, with an evening and a morning, to express, metaphorically, a period of time, or a category. The context dictates that it is being used metaphorically, because the earth did not exist on the 1st day, or so it seems?

Why do you keep saying that the earth didn’t exist on the first day when the very first thing that is mentioned as being created in Genesis 1:1 are the heavens and the earth?

 

[BNR32FAN]

No, that is not decisive in stating that literal days are meant--only that in mimicking the Creation people apply that to *their days" literally. The Creation "days" are obviously different, in my thinking. The days observing the "days of Creation" were memorial days, whereas the Creation days were transcendent, not being able to fit into our definition of a literal day.

It's like saying, God performed acts of creation in 6 distinct categories, represented metaphorically by "days." And then God rested afterwards, represented by a single 7th "day."

Do you really think God rested for only a 24 hour day? Israel was to mimic God's creation "days," or categories by observing "days" in His honor, just as we might observe a single holiday to honor the end of a war, which may have taken much longer than a day.

The 7 day week was a "memorial week" observed in honor of God's Creation Week, which was so transcendent that it had to be put in the language of our "days."

To answer your question, yes I do think that God rested for a 24 hour day because that’s what is written in the Bible. Why is it that we only have a problem with the definition of the word “day” when it comes to the creation account? Why is the definition of that word never debated in any of the other numerous uses throughout the Old Testament?

 

[JulieB67]

. So a 6,000 year old earth is supported by the scriptures

II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

II Peter 3:6 "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"

Who is "willingly ignorant, by the word of God about Noah's flood? And who's ignorant about 6000 years in the last days? Believers and non believers? No one. Even non believers know about Noah's flood. This is talking about a different time. And most non believers already believe the earth is old.

And if God states he did not create the earth without form and void, he created it to be inhabited I believe that. I will not believe he started with a mass covered in water which is what Peter is describing.

Exodus 20:11 tells us how long creation took

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It doesn't really. In Exodus, the context more or less is about observing the sabbath/rest as God did after the 7 days .And if you notice, it doesn't use the word "create" in Exodus as it does in Genesis. It uses the word made which can mean many different things, even furnish, fashion or dress when taken back to the Hebrew.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Who is "willingly ignorant, by the word of God about Noah's flood? And who's ignorant about 6000 years in the last days? Believers and non believers? No one. Even non believers know about Noah's flood. This is talking about a different time. And most non believers already believe the earth is old.

On the contrary most nonbelievers don’t believe in the flood at all. In fact the mass majority of scientists reject the idea that a world wide flood ever took place. And you skipped the first portion of that quote about the mockers. What was the very first thing they were mocking about? “Where is the promise of His coming”. What believer mocks the coming of Christ?

 

[BNR32FAN]

And if God states he did not create the earth without form and void, he created it to be inhabited I believe that. I will not believe he started with a mass covered in water which is what Peter is describing.

The first process of creation the earth was formless and void and covered with water.

”In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[BNR32FAN]

In Exodus, the context more or less is about the sabbath/rest as God did after the 7 day creation of this present world (age). And if you notice, it doesn't use the word "create" in Exodus. It uses made which can mean many different things, even furnish or fashion when taken back to the Hebrew.

Yes Exodus 20:11 is somewhat of a paraphrase of Genesis 2:3. Notice in Genesis 2:3 God rested from ALL His work which He had created and made.

”By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2‬:‭2‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[JulieB67]

The first process of creation the earth was formless and void and covered with water.

In Isaiah, he states he did not create it that way. And in Genesis, it states "let dry land appear" So the land is there. It's just wet.

 

[BNR32FAN]

In Isaiah, he states he did not create it that way. And in Genesis, it states "let dry land appear" So the land is there. It's just wet.

Yes that’s on the third day. But when He created it on the first day it was formless, void, and covered by water.

 

[BNR32FAN]

In Isaiah, he states he did not create it that way. And in Genesis, it states "let dry land appear" So the land is there. It's just wet.

So do you agree that Exodus 20:11 is referring to the entire creation process after reading Genesis 2:3?

 

[JulieB67]

So do you agree that Exodus 20:11 is referring to the entire creation process after reading Genesis 2:3?

Genesis 2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made."

Genesis 2:3 "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made."

No, because while he did create male and female, etc in this present age it doesn't state that he created the heaven and earth in 7 days. As I said, the Hebrew word for made can simply mean furnish, etc. So he can create within this world and simply be replenishing and furnishing the earth itself as well.

But when He created it on the first day it was formless, void, and covered by water.

Again, God stated he did not create it that way. He simply speaks things into existence. He states he did not create the earth the state that it was in verse 2- bohuw. And if you pair it with tohuw -without form and void, it means desolate wasteland, etc. He created it to be inhabited. A water covered mass is not habitable. You have him creating things backwards and God does not have to do that.

He talks about that specific time in Jeremiah 4 and how the once fruitful place became desolate. Which is one of the definitions of tohuw.

 

[BeyondET]

This is merely an assumption, God wouldn’t make a false statement about the creation of the earth. Moses didn’t have to comprehend how it was done he just had to relay the message that was given.

False statement?

Didn't have to comprehend?

Did Moses say here it is I can't comprehend it, just relaying the message. You are on your own to comprehend?

 

[BeyondET]

Why do you think that Moses couldn’t understand the concept of billions of years?

It wouldn't be accurate even if Moses understood the concept of billions. Like today the exact age of the universe is still an estimate. The precise length of time is all between His hands, spread out as if one day even up till now.

Isaiah 48:13
My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It wouldn't be accurate even if Moses understood the concept of billions. Like today the exact age of the universe is still an estimate. The precise length of time is all between His hands, spread out as if one day even up till now.

Isaiah 48:13
My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together.

So you think this means that He is still creating the heavens? Because that’s not what it actually says. What this means is that when He calls the heavens into creation they are created. It doesn’t mean that He is still creating them. And Moses did understand the concept of billions, he was an educated Egyptian royalty. The Egyptians were very educated in math.

 

[BeyondET]

So you think this means that He is still creating the heavens? Because that’s not what it actually says. What this means is that when He calls the heavens into creation they are created. It doesn’t mean that He is still creating them. And Moses did understand the concept of billions, he was an educated Egyptian royalty. The Egyptians were very educated in math.

Yup, nebula's are nurseries of newly born stars, let there be light is still happening.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yup, nebula's are nurseries of newly born stars, let there be light is still happening.

Ok but that’s not really what Exodus 20:11 or Genesis 1 and 2 are talking about, is it? And that was the focus of the discussion.

 

[BeyondET]

Ok but that’s not really what Exodus 20:11 or Genesis 1 and 2 are talking about, is it? And that was the focus of the discussion.

It was the topic of you not understanding the heavens are still being created.