The Bible does not say the Earth Is 7,000 Years Old

[BeyondET]

Really? People were so stupid back then they had no means of telling time? Ever heard of a sundial? A very accurate method of telling time during the day. When Hezekiah was so ill he was dying he asked God for a sign that he would get well. The sundial went backwards 15 degrees.

I didn't say they were stupid or didn't have means to tell time.

A sundial doesn't work in the evening and morning when there's light yet the sun isn't above/below the horizon to cast a shadow nor any visible stars. The amount of time for it to happen is 18 minutes each part of the day for a total of 36 minutes that can't be accurately measured without a mechanical clock.

They counted the stars also that rise throughout the night, and called them watches.

 

[JulieB67]

Sure, Peter can speak of "old" as 6K years ago, with nothing prohibiting that.

Again, Peter claims that people are "willingly ignorant" that the heavens are of old and that the earth was standing in water. Not one Christian in the latter days is ignorant about Noah's flood/ 6000 years old since this earth age began. So he's talking about a time much longer ago than that.

The subject was last day scoffers and the promise of his coming. His point is that what is thousands of years when compared to how old the earth really is.

I Peter 3:4 "And saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? for since the father fell asleep, all thing continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

We have people talking about the creation right there -6000 (thousands) years in their mind. That's what they believe. Peter states in the very next verse they are ignorant about the time. So this next verse cannot be about the 7 day creation.

II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

These people claiming where is the promise of his coming for since the fathers fell asleep all things continued as they were from the beginning of creation -these people are willingly (they have no problem) retaining their ignorance (Peter's words, not mine) that the heavens were of old and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. It was covered as noted in Genesis 1 verse 2.

We can either accept these words or go on believing that the earth is only 6 or 7 thousand years old. I'd rather believe the Word.

 

[BNR32FAN]

To say the first days were literal 24 hour days cannot be when the lights that institute a 24 hour period: the sun, moon, and stars that causes seasons and days were not even created until 4th day. At very least we can deduct that these 4 days were not 24 hour periods.

God created light on the first day so the sun didn’t need to exist for there to be 24 hour periods per day, the rotation of the planet caused the night & day.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Biblical inspirations show the Apostles and prophets knew of the mystery of these ages. There is the 1st age that GOD created when HE created all the living Souls (Ruach) at once for HIS pleasure. The earth was created and filled with life and HE created the Ruach in HIS own image-SPIRIT form to rule over her. Lasting millions if not billions of years. If true scientist are correct and no reason not to believe their dating of the earth being 4 billion years old. We have proof of the 1st age when we see dinosaur’s skeletons all over the world that are billions of years old.

All of the dating methods are based on the assumption that there was no evidence of age when materials were created. Adam & Eve weren’t created as newborns and the planet could’ve been created already possessing the characteristics of age as well.

 

[BNR32FAN]

A majority of Christians have denied and many still believe because they never have been taught that the Bible does not say the earth is 6k years old, but billions. However, our dated time started with the 8th day creation of- Heb. eth-haadam-the man Adam: The Bible declares this age of flesh man began around 13k years ago. Science and the Bible agree with the account; the ice age ended with the last woolly mammoth dated to the timeline. .

Actually scientists date man as we are today to have existed for about 300,000 years not 13,000 and the genealogies recorded in the Bible indicate that there was 4,000 years between Adam & Jesus.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Sorry folks I don’t have the literally skill set to condense this subject no more than I have.

If Christians or anyone does not understand the ages they cannot fully grasp the WORD of GOD. Just as scientist are locked into darkness who don’t take from the WORD of GOD and make up non-truths to explain the ages. The only way to get truth is through the Biblical accounts.

There are 3 Heaven and Earth ages; called dispensations of time.

To say the first days were literal 24 hour days cannot be when the lights that institute a 24 hour period: the sun, moon, and stars that causes seasons and days were not even created until 4th day. At very least we can deduct that these 4 days were not 24 hour periods.

Biblical inspirations show the Apostles and prophets knew of the mystery of these ages. There is the 1st age that GOD created when HE created all the living Souls (Ruach) at once for HIS pleasure. The earth was created and filled with life and HE created the Ruach in HIS own image-SPIRIT form to rule over her. Lasting millions if not billions of years. If true scientist are correct and no reason not to believe their dating of the earth being 4 billion years old. We have proof of the 1st age when we see dinosaur’s skeletons all over the world that are billions of years old.

It was a perfect paradise with no jet streams or any kind of weather or geological formations that cause catastrophic events we have in this age. We have found Dinosaurs with buttercups still in their mouths under the frozen tundra of Alaska. We Find Sea shells just as created billions of years ago embedded in rocks on tops of mountains because of the firmament that once was above us crashed down at an instance.

A majority of Christians have denied and many still believe because they never have been taught that the Bible does not say the earth is 6k years old, but billions. However, our dated time started with the 8th day creation of- Heb. eth-haadam-the man Adam: The Bible declares this age of flesh man began around 13k years ago. Science and the Bible agree with the account; the ice age ended with the last woolly mammoth dated to the timeline. .

The first 5 days were at least 1k year periods for a day with the LORD is as a 1k years with man. First 4 days could have even lasted thousands of years. I personally believe that this age began 13k years ago. That is when GODS SPIRIT moved over the re-created earth age melting the ice covered earth.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

This age was created in 6 days then GOD rested the 7th from HIS work and then on 8th day formed (Heb. Eth-haadam=The man Adam). By Peter’s reckoning we can say from where our dated time starts with Adam 8th day; 7k years of creation until now some 6k years we come to 13k years. This is the time scientist and archeologists say that period ended (glacier age). Bible is accurate in stating this too. Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Period doesn’t say when but we know its millions to 4 billion years old.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Old=Gr. Strong’s 1597- ekpalai- of old, long time ago; Heavens =plural in reference to 3 ages.
Peter saying some people are willingly ignorant of the fact even though science and the Bible proves of a 1st earth age before this age, a time of perfect creation that lasted eons of time.

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

Strongs: Perished Gr. apollumi-root of Satan’s name Apollyon: (to destroy fully); from Apo=575 and base of 3639=olethros from primary (ollumi-to destroy, death, punishment, destruction). A total, complete destruction, not the flood of Noah where it was localized to the giants and the fallen with their abominations of seducing flesh women with a sole purpose of destroying the seed line that the CHRIST child would come from. Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. (GR. Appollyon=a destroyer) Abaddon in Heb. identified in names of old and New Testament so no one is deceived by who is the cause of the destruction, his name is destroyer/death. Apol'lyon. Apollyon or, as it is literally in the margin of the KJ Authorized Version of Rev_9:11, "the destroyer", is the rendering of the Hebrew word.

The first flood to destroy the first age of a perfect earth, a paradise; because of the perversion of Satan and those that fallowed. It was perfect when the dinosaurs roamed with 16 billion perfect beings (us) no huge bodies of water on the land; the ocean was above us protecting all of earth from dark space. We were living in houses made of precious stones and metals that would last an eternity, no such word as death until the falling star (Satan).

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Earth and heaven that are now the 2nd age, flood of the 1st earth age was a total destruction of that earth age. This time GOD will destroy both Heaven and Earth in a consuming fire that consumes the wicked, and all negative evil rudiments; a consuming fire that totally consumes where there will not even be a remembrance, just as while in the flesh we have no remembrance of the 1st age.

perdition Gr.-apoleia-destruction, die, perish = Lucifer is only entity named by name and sentenced to perish, the idiom ‘dead man walking’ comes from this; the perishing (consumed by fire because God is a consuming fire) of those that choose not to fallow God, perish forever never to be thought of or heard of again Apollyon.

Isaiah 24:Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

1st age GOD had completely destroyed, the perfect paradise where nothing survived. We were created in this age innocent and have no remembrance of it to start this age with a clean slate, so to speak; Ecc 1:11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. GOD shook the earth turning completely upside down; continents that once were connected split apart causing massive continental shifts that separated the land and continents we see today. Geological plates crashing together creating turmoil in the atmosphere and earth causing volcanos, earthquakes atmospheric disruptions; volcanic explosions killing off dinosaurs, causing mountains to explode.

The firmament (ocean above) fell in HIS fury And the ocean that once above crashed down at 1 very instant of time washing everything with a rush of fury. GOD shook the earth in 1st age at the rebellion of Satan and destroyed everything on it. (Gr. Kataballo-from Gr. 2596 and 906; -to throw down-cast down- fall down) from or sense foundation-GR. Katabole=founding; conception-conceive- Foundation. Destroying everything on earth; not the geological flood of Noah where the purpose was not to destroy 2nd age but the abominations of the fallen angels.
Firmament that was over head (oceans as we know it) was cast to the ground; The oceans we see today that make up 70% of the area on earth cast down in a swift total destruction and froze over because GOD was not here to warm, light the world. Nothing to protect her, the cold darkness of space was a swift icing of the earth-led to what man termed glacier period. Not as Noah’s flood that was a regional flood to destroy the abominations of the 7k fallen angels.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Manuscripts tell us the 1st word was =it became void, wasn’t created that way. 2nd was –omit, (was added); it became void when Satan and his cronies rebelled; God doesn’t create anything in vain.

Isa_45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

GOD formed the earth with HIS own 2 hands in 1st age, just as 8th day man “The man Adam” HE formed while the others were created. 1st Adam GOD formed with HIS hands because through him would become the 2nd Adam –our MESSIAH. 2nd age was a re-creation of the 1st formation but was no longer perfect paradise as 1st. 1st formation was perfect without storms, jet stream or volcanos etc.

Without form; (Heb. Strongs 8414-tohu; to-hoo-utterly destroyed); God did not create it that way, he created it beautiful with his own hands to be inhabited forever as a perfect paradise. This explains Gen.1:2 where it says was void and without form...it became that way, God doesn’t create anything void- Heb. Strongs 922-bohu =an indistinguishable ruin and Heb.-tohu-utterly destroyed! It was a total destruction where everything was destroyed because of downfall of Satan; everything! Plants, animals, cities.

Paul was fully aware of the ages and explained them to the Ephesians. Many scholars have proclaimed that the first 3 chapters of Ephesians are hard to understand, confusing many would be Christians. if they just took the blinders off and come to the full knowledge that there are 3 earth and 3 heaven ages the confusion would be erased and easy to understand fitting like a glove on the hand.
Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Foundation of the world ( from Companion Bible-Bullinger)
To arrive at the true meaning of the expression you have to know there are 2 definitions for it> NT=themelios; and katabole.
The noun themelios occurs in Lk 6:48, 49;14:29. Acts 16:26. Rom 15:20; 1 Cor. 3:10,11,12. Eph. 2:20. 1 Tim. 6:19, 2Tim. 2:10. Heb. 6:1; 11:10. Rev. 21:14,19.
It is never used of the word (kosmos) or the earth (ge). The corresponding verb (themelioo) occurs in Math. 7:25; Luke 6:48. Eph. 3:17; Col.1:23. Heb. 1:10 and 1Pet.5:10. The verb is only once used of earth (ge) Heb. 1:10.
A comparison of all these passages shows that these are proper and regular terms for the English words "to found" and "foundation".

The noun, katabole occurs in Math13:35; 25:34. Lk. 11:50. John 17:24, Eph. 1:4, Heb. 4:3; 9:26; 11:11. 1Pet. 1:20, Rev 13:8; 17:8 and the corresponding verb (kataballo) in 2 Cor. 4:9; Heb. 6:1 and Rev 12:10.
A comparison of all these passages (especially 2 Cor4:9 and Rev 12:10) will show that kataballo and katabole are not the proper terms for founding and foundation, but the correct meaning is casting down and overthrow.

Consistency, therefore, calls for the same translation in Heb. 6:1, where, instead of "not laying again", the rendering should be "not casting down".
Accordingly the noun katabole ought to be translated "disruption" or "ruin".

Exodus 20:11 says God made the earth, the heavens, the seas, and everything in them in 6 days, then He rested from His work on the 7th day, not 8 days my friend.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It's clear that days, defined by the bookends, "evening and morning," referred to something the equivalent to what we see as "days." But as the poster said, the markers by which "days" are determined were not even created on the 1st day. So we are forced to see them as metaphorical days, in my thinking.

While it's interesting to pay attention to how each animal was created, I'm not sure it has anything to do with whether we have literal or metaphorical "days?"

Light was created on the first day which would cause day and night as the earth rotated. So the creation of the sun was not necessary for day and night to take place.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Moses wrote Genesis, and he got his info from oral tradition along with divine revelation. Using "days" as the equivalent of categories, like our literal "days," makes sense to me. But each one has to decide for himself.

I don't think the Creation story is being told as if Moses observed it taking place. Rather, he was divinely led to express it in a 6 day work week, followed by a single day of rest. Some people think this may express, by extension, 6 periods of a thousand years, leading to a final 7th period of a thousand years--the Millennium.

Though this theory makes sense, I would have to judge these thousand year periods as *human history,* since I accept that the earth itself is much older than human history. The earth is billions of years old, apparently.

In the Bible, "days" can be used as symbols. Take, for example, the 70 "weeks" of Daniel. Each "day" represented a year.

I’m not familiar with the verses in Daniel that your referring to but I’m curious how they are written because in my studies I’ve noticed that there is a distinct difference in the different usages of the word Yom. What I’ve noticed is that when the word Yom is used it’s always used in reference to a 24 hour period, but when the term “in the day” is used, which is in reference to a period of time other than a 24 hour period Yom is not used. Instead the word Beyovm is used. I’d like to see how these verses in Daniel are worded. Can you please quote these verses?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Again, Peter claims that people are "willingly ignorant" that the heavens are of old and that the earth was standing in water. Not one Christian in the latter days is ignorant about Noah's flood/ 6000 years old since this earth age began. So he's talking about a time much longer ago than that.

The subject was last day scoffers and the promise of his coming. His point is that what is thousands of years when compared to how old the earth really is.

I Peter 3:4 "And saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? for since the father fell asleep, all thing continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

We have people talking about the creation right there -6000 (thousands) years in their mind. That's what they believe. Peter states in the very next verse they are ignorant about the time. So this next verse cannot be about the 7 day creation.

II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

These people claiming where is the promise of his coming for since the fathers fell asleep all things continued as they were from the beginning of creation -these people are willingly (they have no problem) retaining their ignorance (Peter's words, not mine) that the heavens were of old and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. It was covered as noted in Genesis 1 verse 2.

We can either accept these words or go on believing that the earth is only 6 or 7 thousand years old. I'd rather believe the Word.

The genealogy records in the scriptures indicate 4000 years between Adam & Jesus. And Moses stated in Exodus 20:11 that God made the earth, the heavens, the seas, and everything in them in 6 days. So a 6,000 year old earth is supported by the scriptures.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It's not irrelevant the bible was written to those people who had no concept of a 24 hour day.

Their evenings and mornings was elusive to them it was an unknown time period 36 minutes each day. Thus I believe that's why the phrase was used. No one really knows how old the universe is.

This is irrelevant because neither Genesis nor Exodus were written according to eyewitnesses. They were written according to divine inspiration from God. So how people might’ve perceived day and night at the time of creation is irrelevant because it’s not a story that was handed down from Adam or thru Noah, it’s what God revealed to Moses. No one was alive before the 6th day so the information given about the first 5 days could’ve come from no one but God Himself who knew exactly how long each creation day was.

 

[Gary K]

The shadow was moved and the light of day, rather from the sun or not.

How do you know that?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Our perception of age is based on the hugh assumption that planet is in its current position all the times, in terms of spacetime. The Bible clearly said that God ever (at least once recorded) 'froze' time to allow the Jews to win. We don't know how our dating methods shall work under that situation.

Time isn’t based on the rotation or movement of the planet it’s just measured by it. We basically use the movement of the earth as a clock. If the earth were to stop moving time itself would not stop because events would still be occurring. The Bible doesn’t say that God stopped time otherwise the battle would’ve ceased and no one would’ve moved. The battle kept on going which clearly indicates that time kept going because time is a measurement between events.

 

[BeyondET]

This is irrelevant because neither Genesis nor Exodus were written according to eyewitnesses. They were written according to divine inspiration from God. So how people might’ve perceived day and night at the time of creation is irrelevant because it’s not a story that was handed down from Adam or thru Noah, it’s what God revealed to Moses. No one was alive before the 6th day so the information given about the first 5 days could’ve come from no one but God Himself who knew exactly how long each creation day was.

God would of used what Moses could comprehend and the system in place at that time.

 

[RandyPNW]

Light was created on the first day which would cause day and night as the earth rotated. So the creation of the sun was not necessary for day and night to take place.

And you still don't see the problem? What kind of light is there without the sun? How can there be a rotation of the earth before it is even created?

Clearly, the Creation account makes no effort to resolve matters of *when.* It is just a matter of creating each creation item as a *category,* metaphorically depicted by "days." Don't ask me to explain it--I'm at a loss. I don't know how to treat a "day" before things exist that make it a "day!" I can only see it as a "day" in the mind of God!

 

[RandyPNW]

I’m not familiar with the verses in Daniel that your referring to but I’m curious how they are written because in my studies I’ve noticed that there is a distinct difference in the different usages of the word Yom. What I’ve noticed is that when the word Yom is used it’s always used in reference to a 24 hour period, but when the term “in the day” is used, which is in reference to a period of time other than a 24 hour period Yom is not used. Instead the word Beyovm is used. I’d like to see how these verses in Daniel are worded. Can you please quote these verses?

The 70 Weeks of Years passage I refer to is in Dan 9. It implies "days" by use of the term "weeks," which consist of "days."

I don't think examination of the meaning of the word for "day" helps. Of course it means a 24 hour day. Even as a metaphor, the word itself would refer to a 24 hour day, though used as a metaphor it could mean many other things, including an "era."

I could say that my last vacation was a "wild ride." A "wild ride" literally refers to something like a single carnival ride. But as a metaphor it refers to an extended vacation time.

Words cannot have tied to them a particular meaning that follows them around as though a slave. Words mean what the speaker wants them to mean, and he determines what they mean by his context. That it what determines what "day" meant to Moses. Context.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Again, Peter claims that people are "willingly ignorant" that the heavens are of old and that the earth was standing in water. Not one Christian in the latter days is ignorant about Noah's flood/ 6000 years old since this earth age began. So he's talking about a time much longer ago than that.

The subject was last day scoffers and the promise of his coming. His point is that what is thousands of years when compared to how old the earth really is.

I Peter 3:4 "And saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? for since the father fell asleep, all thing continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

We have people talking about the creation right there -6000 (thousands) years in their mind. That's what they believe. Peter states in the very next verse they are ignorant about the time. So this next verse cannot be about the 7 day creation.

II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

These people claiming where is the promise of his coming for since the fathers fell asleep all things continued as they were from the beginning of creation -these people are willingly (they have no problem) retaining their ignorance (Peter's words, not mine) that the heavens were of old and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. It was covered as noted in Genesis 1 verse 2.

We can either accept these words or go on believing that the earth is only 6 or 7 thousand years old. I'd rather believe the Word.

The mockers in the end times who mock by saying “where is the promise of His coming” are unbelievers not believers and unbelievers don’t believe that the earth is 6,000 years old. Peter doesn’t even say that these mockers are advocating YEC. He said that they will say “where is the promise of His coming, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation”. Which is just another way of saying “where is your Jesus or Messiah? Nothing has changed”. Peter isn’t saying anything about how old the earth is here, all he is doing is quoting from Genesis that the earth and heavens were created by God’s word and by His word the world is now being preserved for the sake of bringing more people to repentance. That’s why he says “The Lord is not slow about His promise. The mockers are people who are mocking the coming of the Messiah. YEC don’t mock the coming of the Messiah because they actually believe the word of God which is precisely where the idea of a 6,000 year old earth comes from. The idea of a 6,000 year old earth doesn’t come from anywhere but the Bible. Even Jews wouldn’t Mock the coming of the Messiah because they still believe He is going to come, they just don’t believe that He came yet. So these mockers are unbelievers who would have no reason whatsoever to believe in a 6,000 year old earth, on the contrary it’s these people who believe in an old earth.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And you still don't see the problem? What kind of light is there without the sun? How can there be a rotation of the earth before it is even created?

”In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

God created the earth and the heavens first before creating light. The light source didn’t have to be the sun. If God says let there be light and light was created then light was created. He can do that. Maybe He was the light source, maybe He created another light source we don’t know but what we do know is that He created the heavens and the earth then He created light and that light was separated into light and darkness. Which would suggest that it didn’t encompass the entire planet, it was as most likely a light source on one side of the planet that didn’t surround the entire planet which would leave the opposite side in darkness.

 

[BNR32FAN]

God would have used what Moses could comprehend and the system in place at that time.

This is merely an assumption, God wouldn’t make a false statement about the creation of the earth. Moses didn’t have to comprehend how it was done he just had to relay the message that was given.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And you still don't see the problem? What kind of light is there without the sun? How can there be a rotation of the earth before it is even created?

Clearly, the Creation account makes no effort to resolve matters of *when.* It is just a matter of creating each creation item as a *category,* metaphorically depicted by "days." Don't ask me to explain it--I'm at a loss. I don't know how to treat a "day" before things exist that make it a "day!" I can only see it as a "day" in the mind of God!

Exodus 20:11 tells us how long creation took.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The 70 Weeks of Years passage I refer to is in Dan 9. It implies "days" by use of the term "weeks," which consist of "days."

I don't think examination of the meaning of the word for "day" helps. Of course it means a 24 hour day. Even as a metaphor, the word itself would refer to a 24 hour day, though used as a metaphor it could mean many other things, including an "era."

I could say that my last vacation was a "wild ride." A "wild ride" literally refers to something like a single carnival ride. But as a metaphor it refers to an extended vacation time.

Words cannot have tied to them a particular meaning that follows them around as though a slave. Words mean what the speaker wants them to mean, and he determines what they mean by his context. That it what determines what "day" meant to Moses. Context.

Ok but this is just ignoring evidence. Can you show me one single example of the word Yom being used in reference to anything other than a 24 hour period of time?