Did God order a chosen people to mass murder children?

[Nithavela]

Some people preach and think that unsaved Israel today has some sort of right from God to commit crimes against God and humanity. My opinion is no they do not. Their having been chosen simply gives them an opportunity to accept Christ so that He can restore them to the promised land. He has set aside seven years in the end to get them to do exactly that. Meanwhile they have no more rights than other nations and peoples.

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If anyone would like to debate the issue, let's see what you have to offer

1 Samuel 15


Debate over.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

What I am saying is that you need to state whether you think Israel is chosen

It does not matter. It is who is correct and who isn't. Who is spouting revisionist history and who isn't.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The way it shoulld be addressed is to address it. Do you think Israel is operating as a nation chosen of God or not.

Read the TaNaKh.

 

[truthpls]

You need to state who you think Israel is.

The country today

At birth Esau came first holding onto his heel came Jacob.

"The first shall be last and the last shall be first."

Irrelevant to the nation today.

As for chosen, if I want an apple I go to a bowl of fruit,

there I may find only one apple, was it not an apple I wanted?.

Moses and David were truly chosen though nothing they themselves sought.

If I want an apple I too go to somewhere fruit is. There is no fruit in Israel. They are unbelievers who rejected their savior. They have no special rights now, however God set aside a time in the very end to work on them and bring them to repentance. At that time they will bring fruit. They will be chosen and His people and restored and inherit the land. Right now they are unbelievers and not His people in heart. They are not given the promised land today.

 

[truthpls]

1 Samuel 15


Debate over.

Sorry you lost. But it is good for truth to come out.

 

[truthpls]

It does not matter. It is who is correct and who isn't. Who is spouting revisionist history and who isn't.

It matters that you address the topic. If you think people care about your opinion on history, there may be some section of the forum for that. Address the topic.

 

[truthpls]

Read the TaNaKh.

What is it and what has it to say on topic here?

 

[Nithavela]

The late Rabbi Lord Jonathan Sacks said, “Who is a hero? Not one who defeats his enemies, but one who turns an enemy into a friend.”
Prime Minister Netanyahu has all but erased any chance of peace by saying that the israel government would not support the creation of a Palestinian nation. The Palestinians have long been used by both sides of the issues as political canon fodder. With the notable exception of Syria most of the Middle East nations have normalized their relations with Israel. When an Israeli won gold in an event in the UAE Hatikva, the Israeli national anthem, was played. I believe that this was a first in an Arab nation.

The destruction of Hamas is all but impossible. They don’t wear uniforms. So how do you figure out who is Hamas and who is not? Israel must open a dialogue with the Palestinian leadership. This will not happen while the bombs are dropping. Given sufficient motivation, like their own nation, the Palestinians will rid themselves of Hamas. Hamas won 44.45% of the vote in 2006. Instead of bombing the Palestinians into the Hamas camp israel must start a peace process. Moshe Dayan said, “Peace with the Palestinians is not just a political necessity, but a moral one as well.”

Although they cannot be drafted there are Israeli Palestinian volunteers in the IDF fighting for their country.

By the way, the modern nation of Israel is not a chosen national. The Children of Israel are a chosen people.

That's a brilliant and fresh idea you have there. Palestinians getting their own state. Why has no-one thought about this before? You should get Netanyahu and whoever the current Hamas leader is on the phone and tell them.

Just needs a neat name. How about "double country solution"?

 

[Nithavela]

What is it and what has it to say on topic here?

The TaNaKh is what you might call the "jewish bible".

 

[truthpls]

The TaNaKh is what you might call the "jewish bible".

Old testament I guess. So what in there addresses the topic?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

It matters that you address the topic. If you think people care about your opinion on history, there may be some section of the forum for that. Address the topic.

It's not opinion, anyone can check it

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Old testament I guess. So what in there addresses the topic?

You don't know?

 

[Robban]

Old testament I guess. So what in there addresses the topic?

Torah.

 

[ralliann]

Do not divert the issue and responsibility.

Are you judging a just judgement?

The issue is whether Israel today as unbelievers is to be considered any more special that other nations.

Are they more special in Judgement?

The answer is no. Regardless of what terrorists chant before they kill people. Pot, meet kettle. Terrorism is terrorism is terrorism.

So why rave on Israel?

The thread is asking is the terrorism of Israel is something we should overlook because some think they are 'chosen' or special.

No, because Hamas has already said they will not stop. In ridding the place of these they are stopping the continuation of Hamas murder and rape

 

[ralliann]

No. I disagree with your so called facts. But do you think Israel is a chosen people with some right from God to kill they neighbor?

Do you think Hamas has a right?

 

[Robban]

Torah.

Delve and delve into (the Torah) for all is in it,

see with it;
grow old and worn in it;
do not budge from it,

for there is nothing better.

Ethics of the Fathers 5:21

 

[Nithavela]

Old testament I guess.

That's part of it (the Torah), but there's more.

 

[truthpls]

It's not opinion, anyone can check it

The thing is being on topic. Your position on Israel being a chosen nation today?

 

[truthpls]

You don't know?

Your post, you elaborate (if on topic)

 

[truthpls]

Torah.

The torah, then addresses whether modern Israel is chosen by God, where?