Trump team argues assassination of rivals is covered by presidential immunity

[SimplyMe]

so would it not stand to reason that if he truly wanted to stay in power and was willing to use violence to do it he would have forced law enforcement's hand after the clock hit non Eastern time? What he does instead is take the issue to court that IS the way to deal with if you have disputes.

Who would supply the "violence"? As was stated, when Trump's term ended he would just be a trespasser in the White House, to be removed by security. The military had seemingly already made it known through Gen. Miley (see his comments about this period) that the military would not support Trump in a "coup," that they would support the Constitutionally certified President per the vote of Congress. With the military not allowing Trump staying in office, I'm not sure what "violence" Trump could create that would have kept him in office.

And a second point, Trump was smart enough to know that -- particularly with COVID still an issue, with the economy, gas prices, etc. already going south -- that it would be better to leave then and try to come back in four years; rather than fight a useless battle to remain President when he didn't have the support he needed to stay.

 

[Paulos23]

I think this is stupid.

They want a King and not a President.

 

[SimplyMe]

Again we shall see because currently Trump is leading in a number of swing states and is gaining ground among groups that usually lead democrat as a voting block. I honestly have concluded that this election will come down to one or maybe both of two things who third parties take more votes from and/or which basis comes out in larger numbers come November.. As quite a few people do not really want either option as shown by the share in those same polls of people that support a third party which for purposes of pie graphs they usually lump together.

Polls are pretty meaningless at this point in an election cycle. As for why there are Democrats not supporting Biden in polls -- it may well be that they want him to not run for re-election and, by showing they don't support him in the polls, is one of the few ways they can signal they want another candidate. And I agree that it seems a majority of Americans would be far happier if both Trump and Biden "retire" and the major parties select other nominees for President.

I think, as things stand now, it will be interesting next fall. It appears the economy may remain stable and continue to improve -- removing some of the pressure and discontent from Biden. I suspect plenty of Democrats will "come home," once it is clear that Biden will be the nominee and they can't get him to not run again. It will also be interesting to see how Trump's trials effect the race -- particularly if trials like Georgia (where I understand cameras are allowed in the courtroom) start before the election.

 

[durangodawood]

Think how great America could be if a President could assassinate a challenger who might be bad for America - without legal repercussions - rather than risk that person getting elected.

No impotent "lock her up" and so on. Just actually disappear her one night.

 

[Green Sun]

Think how great America could be if a President could assassinate a challenger who might be bad for America - without legal repercussions - rather than risk that person getting elected.

No impotent "lock her up" and so on. Just actually disappear her one night.

Yeah, I think a lot of people aren't understanding the sheer magnitude of what his lawyers are claiming here. This is what his lawyers are arguing for, and it's absolutely horrific.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Nope. I can’t possibly answer another question from you if you won't offer me an answer to mine.

As I clearly stated I can’t speak for over 75,000,000 people.

For me personally, part of my not voting for Biden is what I view is his dismal failure of a president. I never thought someone could be worse for the IS than Carter, but I was mistaken.

As for Trump, I have stated repeatedly he was not my first choice until he won the Republican nod.

I thought his policies were what we need, while I wish he would just shut up sometimes. He enjoys the fight too much.

The biggest help to him is the almost insane hatred some on the opposing side have for him. Two and a half years of Mueller and told they had irrefutable proof was decimated by the truth.

It is to the point that there is nothing the man can do that the tribe/cult/ following on the left will not find fault with.

I truly believe if he came out tomorrow with a cure for cancer the tribal chant would be that he is putting doctors out of work.

So now that I answered yours. I am very sure you will promptly answer mine. Thanks in advance.

Truth be known, at this point I would vote for a bag of hammers instead of what the opposition party has.

 

[JustOneWay]

....in the 40 plus years I have been observing US politics, I never thought I would see the day when a former POTUS would argue that he has absolute immunity and cannot be criminally prosecuted.

In the last 30 years that I have been observing, I would never have thought our politics would evolve into what we see today. Even in the heavily 5 week contested G Bush election both Bush and Gore were focused on positive rhetoric to bring Americans together but today we see none of that. today.

In the 47 years I have been an active voter I never thought I would see the loosing candidate go on a five year campaign, book signing tour and found an organization to RESIST the incoming President.

In 47 years I would have never thought the opposing side would call for an impeachment BEFORE the man took office.

The list goes on.

In the many years I have been observing, I would have never thought I would see the losing candidate who was the current president try to violently retain power and stay in the White House, only to leave and be arrested multiple times and be labeled from the courts as a fraudster and sexual assaulter, and is still adored by almost half of the country.

The Tea Party was 'reborn' because of G Bush, and it has only spiraled downward from there.

 

[Laodicean60]

my not voting for Biden

I'm not voting for either Trump or Biden because I think both are bad.

 

[Laodicean60]

Tea Party

I think that was during Obama's reign and I jumped on the bandwagon over fears of the ACA.

 

[stevil]

Let me asks you a very simple yes or no question. Did Trump refuse to leave the white house at noon on 1-20-21 at noon?

D Trump isn't a soldier (leg spurs, remember?). His foot soldiers weren't there to protect him on the day. So he had no choice, it was no feasible for D Trump himself to physically fight off any authorities from removing him from the premises.

 

[Always in His Presence]

In the many years I have been observing, I would have never thought I would see the losing candidate who was the current president try to violently retain power and stay in the White House, only to leave and be arrested multiple times and be labeled from the courts as a fraudster and sexual assaulter, and is still adored by almost half of the country.

Perhaps, just perhaps the belief is there because that is what the tribe has been chanting 24/7 for years? Is it in the realm of possibilities we are being lied to and people are beginning to see it?

I've aske friends on the opposition party - name three things that Mr. Trump did that were really good for the country. It stuns me that almost without exception not one can name even two. No one - but no one is 100% wrong 100% of the times - that is a statistical impossibility.

So I ask you - can you name three things Mr. Trump did that was really good for the country.

And yes, I can name three things I think Joe did that was really good for the country and if you ask after you answer mine - I'll tell you what they are.

 

[JustOneWay]

I think that was during Obama's reign and I jumped on the bandwagon over fears of the ACA.

TARP initiated under Bush brought life back to those tired of reckless government spending. Considering it was a conservative movement, naturally they blossomed under Obama.

Please don't cherry-pick the words when quoting. It removes context. I said they were 'reborn' under Bush.

Well? Were those fears you had about the ACA real?

 

[Laodicean60]

TARP initiated under Bush brought life back to those tired of reckless government spending. Considering it was a conservative movement, naturally they blossomed under Obama.

Please don't cherry-pick the words when quoting. It removes context. I said they were 'reborn' under Bush.

I am not cherry-picking just going off memory of the tea party.

 

[Laodicean60]

Please don't cherry-pick the words when quoting. It removes context. I said they were 'reborn' under Bush.

The Tea Party was 'reborn' because of G Bush, and it has only spiraled downward from there.

Since you accused me you forced me to look it up.

"The Tea Party movement was an American fiscally conservative political movement within the Republican Party that began in 2009. The movement formed in opposition to the policies of Democratic President Barack Obama[1][2] and was a major factor in the 2010 wave election[3][4] in which Republicans gained 63 House seats[5] and took control of the U.S. House of Representatives.[6]"

Tea Party movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It may have been a different movement with TARP but you mention Tea Party

 

[JustOneWay]

I am not cherry-picking just going off memory of the tea party.

Let's make it easier.

I wrote "The Tea Party was 'reborn' because of G Bush, ...."
You quoted only "The Tea Party"
Please don't do that.

 

[Laodicean60]

Let's make it easier.

I wrote "The Tea Party was 'reborn' because of G Bush, ...."
You posted "The Tea Party"
Please don't do that.

Sources that it was reborn?

 

[keith99]

Think how great America could be if a President could assassinate a challenger who might be bad for America - without legal repercussions - rather than risk that person getting elected.

No impotent "lock her up" and so on. Just actually disappear her one night.

Great. But with ineptitude in charge, I fear the U.S. might end up having The Night of the Butter Knives.

 

[JustOneWay]

Since you accused me you forced me to look it up.

"The Tea Party movement was an American fiscally conservative political movement within the Republican Party that began in 2009. The movement formed in opposition to the policies of Democratic President Barack Obama[1][2] and was a major factor in the 2010 wave election[3][4] in which Republicans gained 63 House seats[5] and took control of the U.S. House of Representatives.[6]"

Tea Party movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It may have been a different movement with TARP but you mention Tea Party

TARP illustrates how many regulatory schemes cut across traditional party affiliations. A Republican President (George W. Bush) and a Democratic Congress cooperated to pass TARP. TARP also illustrates the divide between these officials, interested in what they believe to be responsible governance, and the populist voters who make up the Tea Party. The first Tea Party was a protest against TARP. In February 2009, cable personality Rick Santelli ranted on CNBC: “This is America. How many of you people want to pay for your neighbors’ mortgage that has an extra bathroom and can’t pay their bills, raise your hand!” Again appealing to voters who share Santelli’s sentiments, the Pledge commits House Republicans to repealing TARP.

TARP, the Constitution, and Economic Liberty

The Tea Party movement represents an important development in American politics by bringing contemporary political debates back to fundamentals.

www.hillsdale.edu

REBORN

 

[JustOneWay]

Sources that it was reborn?

The first Tea Party happened in 1773. Do you remember that?

 

[Laodicean60]

TARP illustrates how many regulatory schemes cut across traditional party affiliations. A Republican President (George W. Bush) and a Democratic Congress cooperated to pass TARP. TARP also illustrates the divide between these officials, interested in what they believe to be responsible governance, and the populist voters who make up the Tea Party. The first Tea Party was a protest against TARP. In February 2009, cable personality Rick Santelli ranted on CNBC: “This is America. How many of you people want to pay for your neighbors’ mortgage that has an extra bathroom and can’t pay their bills, raise your hand!” Again appealing to voters who share Santelli’s sentiments, the Pledge commits House Republicans to repealing TARP.

TARP, the Constitution, and Economic Liberty

The Tea Party movement represents an important development in American politics by bringing contemporary political debates back to fundamentals.

www.hillsdale.edu

REBORN

Thank you very much and I stand corrected.