Goading people into speaking up isn't the way to do it.
I wasn't goading, my statements were all in good faith.
Painting people as left vs right is also quite awkward.
In the American Politics section of a discussion board? No...it's not. In fact, it's extremely common in our 2 party system.
I suppose in USA a great many people are registered Democrats or registered Republicans. So maybe it makes sense in USA IDK. Myself, I don't self associate as left or right. I'm just me.
Well, I can understand why, as a foreigner....this seems like a valid topic of discussion for someone here in the US. In reality, it doesn't make much sense.
Ultimately, it's a "complaint topic". A right wing political candidate said something that can easily be taken as bigotry in some way.
The problem is that the opposing party openly endorses bigotry. They promote "diversity" at every chance they get....diversity just means "less white people". Specifically, they promote racial discrimination in hiring and other opportunities like school admission. One easy example is that under Trump, the civil rights division of the DOJ brought a lawsuit against several universities on behalf of asian students who were being discriminated against in favor of black students. When Biden won the election....this case was immediately dropped by the DOJ who seemed to believe the case lacked any merit. The students pursued the case on their own....all the way to the SCOTUS...and won. The political left here in the US and the Democratic Party in general has been upset about this since. Even though the political left claims to care about racial discrimination against minorities...that doesn't actually happen if you're asian or Jewish. Jewish students are being chased around college campuses by student groups calling for their genocide. Asian students are now trying to figure out how to avoid the new ways college admissions are trying to discriminate against them. Remember when the political left was going around yelling "Stop Asian Hate!" and claimed Trump was promoting racism by naming the Wuhan Coronavirus in the same way Ebola, Zika, and nearly every other modern virus was named? Did that sound like a valid complaint to you?
We watched a young Asian woman bring attention to the rapidly increasing number of random violence perpetrated at Asians...and sadly, it seemed like most of the time it was black men committing the violence. The political left explained this as multiracial white supremacy. In other words, if a black person was acting so racist towards someone who wasn't white (which the left mocks or ignores) the reason given....was that he had adopted the racist beliefs of a white supremacist (placing the blame back on white people). I don't think anyone believed it then...or now...and I think we all understand those were just racist people who weren't white. The political left wanted both asians and black people to vote for them though....so they invented a goofy way to blame white people.
I don't know any other way to say it
@stevil .
If you think people should be treated differently because their race...you're a racist.
If you think jobs and opportunities should discriminate against applicants along racial lines....you're a racist.
If your political ideology promotes these ideas...regardless of the reasons they give or how they try to frame it/label it....that's a racist ideology.
I'm tired of pretending it isn't. I'm tired of giving people the benefit of the doubt.
If you're genuinely against racism...speak up about the racism. The president of Harvard, a black female with qualifications that are slightly lower than a 1st year Harvard professor, lied to Congress about protecting free speech when in reality...Harvard has punished many people for far less than calling for genocide. The president herself sent a memo to staff about how she wanted to reduce the visibility of white men on campus....seriously. She's also committed enough plagiarism to get any of her students expelled permanently if they had done it....
Yet the silence at her blatant racism, and the hypocrisy of her claims about protecting free speech, have resulted in....
Nothing. Many on the left are actually defending her. She represents in many ways the political ideology of the left. It's not an issue if she's unqualified, fraudulent, and racist....because she's a black woman. That's far more important to the left than anything else.
So again....what are we talking about? Is there some sort of problem with what Trump said? Was it racist? Xenophobic? Bigoted?
How about when a black Democrat Party mayor says almost the same thing on the same topic ?
Mayor Eric Adams believes the raging migrant crisis will destroy New York City, saying he doesn’t see an end in sight as the city received over 110,000 migrants since last year.
nypost.com
Do you think he got similar criticism for those comments? I doubt anyone compared him to Hitler....if anything, they might have chastised him for sounding like a white supremacist or a Republican or conservative. Why do you think there's such a huge difference between the way the same rhetoric is described? Is it because one guy is white and the other black? Is it because one is Republican and the other Democrat? Do you think that maybe....just maybe...these "unbiased" news sources are actually extremely biased but you can't tell...because it's your biases they cater to?
Do you find it odd...at all...that the only thing that it took to make a Democrat sound exactly like a Republican was to make him responsible for confronting the same problem? Obviously he tried to blame the Texas governor....but he's facing a tiny fraction of what the Texas governor faces all the time. It's interesting though, right?? As soon as it wasn't someone else's problem a thousand miles away....that empathy and sympathy dried up really fast.
The sad part of this is the poor black communities that elected this man are the ones suffering the most. While they get ignored....
This is why identity politics fails and the left is treading water. No candidates can appeal to every identity group...and despite the left insisting it isn't a zero sum game....it's a zero sum game. No resource that's valuable is infinite. These poor black New Yorkers are learning that it doesn't matter if they elect a black mayor....he's not going to dump these new poor people on any wealthy white neighborhoods. They'll move, and he'll lose more taxes...and the spiral downward will continue. In Chicago they're literally telling Trump or any Republican to show up...with any plan...and they'll listen, they promise.
I would tell them simply...Trump was right, the border was/is under crisis, and if you don't want to pay the price....you need to support candidates willing to prevent these people from illegally entering and deport those who do. Once it's clear you cannot simply move here and mooch off our citizens....they'll stop coming. In NYC they have a "right to shelter"...in Chicago they are being kicked out onto the streets in hopes the cold will inspire them to leave. Chicago's mayor also tried to bam busses that didn't have some absurd permit he requires...a law passed to prevent the busses of illegals from showing up....but now they simply arrive on airplanes lol.
This is the reality of the modern left. If a white man says or does it...it's immoral. If a minority or female does or says the same thing....no problem. No call to condemn. Consider that the last time a right wing anti-semitic protest was held was Charlottesville...and they didn't even call for genocide. Every elected conservative condemned the protesters and their racist ideology in 48 hours...even Trump.
Left wing anti-semitic protests have been rampant for over a month now....there's no widespread calls to condemn them. I suppose a few elected officials probably have....but many more defend them as free speech/right to protest. When the right side of the political aisle did this....once....years ago....the response was to "punch a nazi".
But I'm getting off topic aren't I?
What is the problem with what Mr Trump said....be as specific as you like.
I want to be clear what is that is the problem before we get to trying to understand why it's a problem.
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