Pope approves blessings for same-sex couples if they don't resemble marriage

[narnia59]

James Martin is nothing if not hyper-meticulously careful. He knows where the lines are and he will not go a nanometer over any line. He will intimate and hint and suggest but never actually go over the line. That's been my past experience of him. So if he now says he will bless what he would not bless before, I think something must have changed in where the lines are.

I think he goes outside the lines all the time. He'll do it here. He won't bless in the spirit of the document. He will bless those who seek to claim a legitimation of their status.

I think his superiors simply either agree with him or don't care.

 

[Wolseley]

People have used the Bible to justify sinful behavior. There are things in the Bible that are difficult to understand and which people twist to their own destruction. I suppose you think that the Bible should not have been written?

As for Vatican 2, are you one of these "Catholics" who think that the the documents are in error or otherwise detrimental to the Church?

Whoa, whoa, dude! I don't see where fide said anything like that---he never even suggested that the Bible or Vatican II never should have been written.

Calm down. It's like somebody tags you with a ping-pong ball and you respond with a 35-megaton nuclear weapon. Jeepers.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I think he goes outside the lines all the time. He'll do it here. He won't bless in the spirit of the document. He will bless those who seek to claim a legitimation of their status.

I think his superiors simply either agree with him or don't care.

On the contrary, I think he will bless to just within the letter of the document, pushing to the extreme all the way. He will indeed bless those who want their status legitimated. He will not be caught because he will have a well crafted defense based on the words of the document. I don't know what that might be, but his past careful going up just to the line indicates his modus operandi. But his superiors would never come after him anyhow.

 

[mourningdove~]

That's really sinister and snake like behavior. He has to know that he'll have to give an account for this. But he clearly doesn't care, so one can only rub two brain cells together to come to the conclusion that he works for someone else.

There are many persons, in many Christian churches, including Catholic, who are not truly followers of Jesus Christ.

I know nothing about James Martin except for the headlines I see in the news, but just because a person is in the position of 'priest' does not mean he is actually a man who has given his heart to God.

... So no, he may not know or care that he will one day have to give an account to God.

 

[IcyChain]

Your "I suppose you think....", and "are you one of these 'Catholics'..." don't bode well for a conversation. I'll leave you to your own conclusions.

Have a blessed day.

 

[narnia59]

On the contrary, I think he will bless to just within the letter of the document, pushing to the extreme all the way. He will indeed bless those who want their status legitimated. He will not be caught because he will have a well crafted defense based on the words of the document. I don't know what that might be, but his past careful going up just to the line indicates his modus operandi. But his superiors would never come after him anyhow.

Well the document clearly states the blessings are not intended for those who seek to have their status legitimized. But he will never point that out to those he's blessing, and I agree with you, his superiors will do nothing to stop him.

 

[IcyChain]

Whoa, whoa, dude! I don't see where fide said anything like that---he never even suggested that the Bible or Vatican II never should have been written.

Calm down. It's like somebody tags you with a ping-pong ball and you respond with a 35-megaton nuclear weapon. Jeepers.

The first question was obviously rhetorical. Of course he does not think that the Bible should never have been written. No Christian believes that. The point was that just because someone uses a document for a bad purpose, does not mean that there is something inherently wrong with the document itself.

As for Vatican 2, I asked him to clarify his position on what is insinuated in his post - that there are problems with the Vatican 2 documents. He can answer the question or he may decline. The world is his oyster.

Now, if you think that is a "35-megaton nuclear weapon" that is perfectly fine with me.

 

[Michie]

 

[narnia59]

Does anyone really think he's accurately portraying the intent of the document?

 

[Michie]

 

[Michie]

Does anyone really think he's accurately portraying the intent of the document?

Nope.

 

[Michie]

Pope Francis Did Not Just Authorize Priests to Bless Same-Sex Unions

COMMENTARY: Anyone who claims that the Fiducia Supplicans authorizes blessings of same-sex unions has not read the declaration or is intentionally misinterpreting it.

www.ncregister.com

 

[narnia59]

Nope.

I agree. He's using it, just like the secular media is using it to try to move their agenda forward.

 

[mourningdove~]

Nope.

I agree.

Unfortunately, one of the tactics of the progressive left is to work with the mainstream media (MSM) to convince the population there is a huge concensus in favor of these decisions now being made. The tactic is effective, since much of the general population does not seem to be as informed on church matters as even the regular members in this forum.

James Martin has a huge media presence. MSM loves him; his message agrees with their progressive agenda. So how he may be twisting and exaggerating things will be the message that gets continually promoted in the media. And many will believe it.

What I haven't figured out yet is what will be the result of all this?
Will more of the alphabet people be drawn to the Catholic faith, and cause the church to grow in numbers?
Or, will it just be that more of the conservative Catholics will leave the church, or just never return, and numbers will continue to drop?
Remains to be seen, I guess.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Does anyone really think he's accurately portraying the intent of the document?

Yes, because he is a careful guy. He colors only between the lines. For all I know he was consulted on the wording of the document. I have no proof of that but James Martin does have the pope’s ear.

 

[fide]

re: Martin's post - "This is a major step forward in the church's ministry to LGBTQ people and recognizes the desire for same-sex couples for God's presence and help in their committed and loving relationships."

So they want to start a new Alphabet Group, CLGBTQ people? (ChasteLGBTQ people)? There is such a path in the Church already for that, toward God's presence and help.

 

[Lady Bug]

I'm more worried about my dad using this against me than this news itself, although the latter leaves a ton to be desired.

 

[concretecamper]

Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth, often at odds with their own memory or sense of reality.[1] Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy.

Doublethink - Wikipedia

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[Michie]

BOMBSHELL AND HERE WE GO AND GERMANY LEADS THE WAY…DEVELOPMENT OF DOCTRINE NOW MEANS THE CAMEL'S NOSE IN THE TENT WILL END UP WITH THE ENTIRE CAMEL IN THE TENT​

BOMBSHELL AND HERE WE GO AND GERMANY LEADS THE WAY…DEVELOPMENT OF DOCTRINE NOW MEANS THE CAMEL'S NOSE IN THE TENT WILL END UP WITH THE ENTIRE CAMEL IN THE TENT

Doctrinal declaration opens possibility to bless couples in irregular situations With the Declaration “Fiducia supplicans” issued by the D...

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[Wolseley]

Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth, often at odds with their own memory or sense of reality.[1] Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy.

Doublethink - Wikipedia

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And it lays the groundwork for later gaslighting, as well.

But God is not the author of confusion----so you may want to ask yourself who is.