Israel-Hamas Thread II

[Vanellus]

Thank You for the history lesson. I'm no historian but I do understand the message that he puts forth.

But there are outside influences that like to shoot missiles at Israel. I think Israel is tolerant for as many attacks that have happened in the past. If I were president I'd own Palestine because the Arabs are going to hate them anyway. Think about it, if Mexico continually launched missiles at the US they would become our 51st state.

I think Israel has dropped one or two bombs on Gaza recently (and in previous years).

 

[Laodicean60]

I think Israel has dropped one or two bombs on Gaza recently (and in previous years).

Why do you think that is?

illegal Jewish settlements on the West Bank

If the Arabs had left Isreal alone in 1967 we wouldn't be talking about the West Bank.

But hey let's keep the ignorant ignorant: they're probably happier that way.

Yep, some are happier that way. Or keep up the hate and some are happier that way.

 

[essentialsaltes]

If the Arabs had left Isreal alone in 1967 we wouldn't be talking about the West Bank.

If Israel hadn't launched a surprise military attack on its neighbors in 1967, maybe we wouldn't be talking about the West Bank.

 

[wing2000]

This video shows a complete misunderstanding of the history of the island of Ireland given that the island was entirely part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland from 1801 to 1921 with Irish MPs at Westminster until the partition of the Ireland in 1921. The island was divided so that the north was majority Protestant. This required a very complicated border which later proved problematic as far as security was concerned. Home Rule for Southern Ireland did not happen until Dec 1922 when the Irish Free State was born. So this example argues for a two state solution for Israel/Palestine with a properly recognised state of Palestine with its own borders and governance without any external military or other influence from Israel or any other country - and that would mean dismantling and removing the illegal Jewish settlements on the West Bank. But hey let's keep the ignorant ignorant: they're probably happier that way.

There is of course a Jewish version of "from the river to the sea".

The point being - neither side has a right to call for the elminiation of an entire population....or expect that popultion to move.

 

[Vanellus]

Why do you think that is?

 

[RDKirk]

The point being - neither side has a right to call for the elminiation of an entire population....or expect that popultion to move.

Well, now, that's the hard part, isn't it? If we go back to the earlier 40s and even 30s, we see that they didn't get along when interspersed, either.

 

[Laodicean60]

If Israel hadn't launched a surprise military attack on its neighbors in 1967, maybe we wouldn't be talking about the West Bank.

Was it because of this? Straits of Tiran

 

[Laodicean60]

War

 

[Laodicean60]

If Israel hadn't launched a surprise military attack on its neighbors in 1967, maybe we wouldn't be talking about the West Bank.

Or are you talking about this:

"Main events of the war​

In response to the apparent mobilization of its Arab neighbours, early on the morning of June 5, Israel staged a sudden preemptive air assault that destroyed more than 90 percent Egypt’s air force on the tarmac."

Six-Day War | Definition, Causes, History, Summary, Outcomes, & Facts

Six-Day War, brief Arab-Israeli war that took place June 5–10, 1967. After months of escalation, Israel conducted a preemptive air assault demobilizing its neighbors’ air force capabilities, allowing it a quick and decisive victory. The war had lasting impact on diplomatic engagement between...

www.britannica.com

 

[essentialsaltes]

Was it because of this? Straits of Tiran

So's Law Alert: So you're saying the blockade of goods is a sufficient justification to attack an enemy with deadly force?

Or are you talking about this:

In response to the apparent mobilization of its Arab neighbours, early on the morning of June 5, Israel staged a sudden preemptive air assault that destroyed more than 90 percent Egypt’s air force on the tarmac."​

That's right, Israel 'Pearl Harbored' Egypt and Jordan without warning.

 

[Vanellus]

War

you omitted the word "crime"

 

[rjs330]

Journalist who uncovered decomposing babies in Gaza is shot, injured​

Television journalist Mohammed Balousha filmed a report about the communications blackout in Gaza on Saturday afternoon, working near his home in Jabalya in the north.
But as he turned to return home, he suddenly fell. He was shot in his thigh, he told The Washington Post by phone on Sunday.

Balousha, who works for the Emirati-owned Al Mashhad channel, was wearing a helmet and press badge. He said he thought an Israeli sniper hidden in a nearby residential building shot him.

[after some hours, friends get him to a medical clinic]

The doctor told Balousha that his thigh had a double fracture. He needed surgery, which could only be done at al-Ahli Hospital, the last functioning operating facility in northern Gaza.

The ambulance headed out but had to turn back because Israeli tanks blocked the way to the hospital, Balousha said. With no other option for surgery in Jabalya, he returned home.

A day before Balousha was injured, elsewhere in Gaza, an Israeli drone strike killed Al Jazeera cameraman Samer Abu Daqqa and injured correspondent Wael al-Dahdouh while they were out reporting, the Qatari channel said.

Al Jazeera said it will refer the case to the International Criminal Court.

And he knows it's an Israeli sniper how? Most snipers are better shots than that. Well trained one anyway. But he knows it was Israeli.

Why couldn't it have been a Hamas fighter?

 

[Laodicean60]

So's Law Alert: So you're saying the blockade of goods is a sufficient justification to attack an enemy with deadly force?

"In the days that followed, Nasser continued to rattle the saber: On May 22, he banned Israeli shipping from the Straits of Tiran, the sea passage connecting the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba. A week later, he sealed a defense pact with King Hussein of Jordan."

That's right, Israel 'Pearl Harbored' Egypt and Jordan without warning.

"A second front in the Six-Day War opened on June 5, when Jordan – reacting to false reports of an Egyptian victory – began shelling Israeli positions in Jerusalem. Israel responded with a devastating counterattack on East Jerusalem and the West Bank."

Six-Day War

The Six-Day War was a brief but bloody conflict fought in June 1967 between Israel and the Arab states of Egypt, Syri...

www.history.com

The problem is if our minds are skewed to a certain belief then whatever you read will be skewed. History is History and as I said before if the Arabs would control their hate we wouldn't be talking about the West Bank today.

 

[essentialsaltes]

"In the days that followed, Nasser continued to rattle the saber: On May 22, he banned Israeli shipping from the Straits of Tiran, the sea passage connecting the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba. A week later, he sealed a defense pact with King Hussein of Jordan."

I guess you are saying a blockade justifies initiating hostilities without warning.

"A second front in the Six-Day War opened on June 5, when Jordan

Very well, Israel only Pearl Harbored Egypt. But the important part remains that Israel initiated the surprise attack.

 

[Laodicean60]

I guess you are saying a blockade justifies initiating hostilities without warning.


Very well, Israel only Pearl Harbored Egypt. But the important part remains that Israel initiated the surprise attack.

"In 1967, as tensions rose between Egypt and Israel, Israel reiterated declarations made in 1957 that any closure of the Straits would be considered an act of war.[17]

Nasser declared the Straits closed to Israeli shipping on May 22–23.

Israeli Prime Minister Eshkol repeated declarations that Israel had made in 1957, saying that closure of the Straits of Tiran would be an act of war.[18][19]?"

Israeli passage through the Suez Canal and Straits of Tiran - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Instead of spouting repeated nonsense, use the internet for information instead of entertainment. I even did the hard work to post it here for you to read.

 

[essentialsaltes]

"In 1967, as tensions rose between Egypt and Israel, Israel reiterated declarations made in 1957 that any closure of the Straits would be considered an act of war.[17]

Right, there wasn't much question that the Israelis considered that a blockade justified their military attack without warning.

 

[RDKirk]

I guess you are saying a blockade justifies initiating hostilities without warning.

A blockade is an act of war. It always has been...even when the US has done it.

 

[Bradskii]

...being higher than the average proportion of civilian deaths in these conflicts.

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The deaths are higher than the average proportion in all conflicts since 1900 and you post that as some sort of positive?

 

[Bradskii]

Classic use of the strawman argument by this poster. No one has posted that innocent children can be valid targets.

People have actually said that children can be valid targets. Pictures of children carrying guns have been posted. There have been links to camps run by Hamas. And multiple examples have been given of young people being coerced into suicide bombings. None of this has been seen to happen in Gaza. But that's not the point.

The point, which you and others are avoiding is that children are being used as an example of innocent deaths. They obviously cannot be involved in the fighting. And the response? We have seen the atrocious response. It's a dehumanizing, gutter level attempt to imply that gee, all these kids being blown up might not be as innocent as it seems.

Hey look. Kids with guns! Kids at camps! Kids with explosives! You can't tell us they're all innocent!

 

[Bradskii]

Still refusing to answer the question (except with deflection that is). How typical of your responses.

The very second line answered it.

2-year-old accidentally shot, killed pregnant mom with family gun: Police

Ohio police say a 2-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed his pregnant mother.

abc7chicago.com

And it's still an idiotic question.