The Pro Palestinian protests and news thread

[rjs330]

Opinion: Germany pledged ‘never again.’ Here’s how it’s grappling with Israel’s bombing of Gaza​

Over the last two years, for instance, demonstrations commemorating the anniversary of the Nakba, when Palestinians were displaced and Israel was created in 1948, have largely been outlawed. Of those who defied this ban, many were members of Juedische Stimme, or “Jewish Voice,” a group of Jewish activists expressing solidarity with Palestinians. In last year’s Nakba demonstration, the majority of those arrested were Jewish members of the group.

Since then, things have only escalated. A leading member of Juedische Stimme who was born and raised in Israel was recently detained for a solitary protest in which she held a sign in a Berlin public square that read: “As a Jew and Israeli: Stop the genocide in Gaza.”

Yes it's not a unique circumstance for people.to protest against their own country. We see it all the time in the US. People who were born and raised here protesting the country and telling people hoe much they hate their country.

 

[Pommer]

Yes it's not a unique circumstance for people.to protest against their own country. We see it all the time in the US. People who were born and raised here protesting the country and telling people hoe much they hate their country.

“Things could be better for more people” = “I hate my country”?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

“Things could be better for more people” = “I hate my country”?

"Things are doing great for me, forget everyone else." = "AMERICA!!!"

 

[rjs330]

“Things could be better for more people” = “I hate my country”?

No they literally hate their country.

My Generation—Gen Z—Is Being Taught to Hate America. We H...

We have been groomed to be revulsed by tradition, ashamed of our identity as Americans, and to embrace the thralls of victimhood.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Ana the Ist]

Super-bad in Australia right now

Melbourne has become the 'epicentre of antisemitism' in Australia

Children are being bullied in schools for being Jewish and Nazi sympathisers are using the guise of empathy toward Palestine for spreading hatred and vitriol.

www.dailymail.co.uk

They call them "nazi-sympathizers"?

We just call them Democrats.

 

[essentialsaltes]

No they literally hate their country.

• Opinion
• By CJ Pearson
  PragerU Personality

 

[RocksInMyHead]

No they literally hate their country.

My Generation—Gen Z—Is Being Taught to Hate America. We H...

We have been groomed to be revulsed by tradition, ashamed of our identity as Americans, and to embrace the thralls of victimhood.

www.newsweek.com

The author draws this conclusion from a poll showing that younger Americans (Gen Z - that is, those born around the turn of the millennium) value patriotism and faith less, have less inclination to start families, and think that tolerance is less important. Those are definitely concerning results, but I question the author's analysis, which is very light on actual data, and heavy on right-wing talking points. So lets examine them one by one.

Patriotism. Over the past 20 years, we've seen patriotism used to justify an increasing number of abuses by the government, both against the American people (Patriot Act, anyone?) and other nations (Iraq, Afghanistan, central America). In addition, the Right has adopted the "patriot" label over the past ~10 years, and younger Americans have a lot of disagreement with the objectives and ideology of the Right. So it's not a huge surprise that those who have grown up in that environment and known nothing else would have a very different view of patriotism than those 20-30 years older.

Faith. Again, we've seen the Right increasingly take on the mantle of faith, which makes those who are more Left-leaning less friendly to the concept. Add in to that the hypocrisy that many American Christians publicly display when it comes to supposedly core tenets like "loving your neighbor as yourself," and Christianity tends to lose its shine.

Family. I think the state of the economy and the stagnating of wages that has been going on over the past 50 years are the primary culprits for this one. When people can barely support themselves, it feels irresponsible to have a child on top of that. In addition, people are increasingly disconnected from each other by technology, which makes forming relationships much more difficult.

Tolerance. I think the best explanation for the decline in tolerance is that we see the concept taken too far. Increasingly, people are being asked to tolerate the intolerance of others, which leads to people questioning the value of tolerance.

So no, I don't think it's a "hatred of America" that's driving these trends, but rather the increasing politicization of "core American tenets," economic distress, and rising intolerance.

 

[rjs330]

• Opinion
• By CJ Pearson
  PragerU Personality

None of that invalidates anything.

 

[essentialsaltes]

None of that invalidates anything.

No, but it saved me precious minutes of my life.

 

[rjs330]

The author draws this conclusion from a poll showing that younger Americans (Gen Z - that is, those born around the turn of the millennium) value patriotism and faith less, have less inclination to start families, and think that tolerance is less important. Those are definitely concerning results, but I question the author's analysis, which is very light on actual data, and heavy on right-wing talking points. So lets examine them one by one.

Patriotism. Over the past 20 years, we've seen patriotism used to justify an increasing number of abuses by the government, both against the American people (Patriot Act, anyone?) and other nations (Iraq, Afghanistan, central America). In addition, the Right has adopted the "patriot" label over the past ~10 years, and younger Americans have a lot of disagreement with the objectives and ideology of the Right. So it's not a huge surprise that those who have grown up in that environment and known nothing else would have a very different view of patriotism than those 20-30 years older.

Faith. Again, we've seen the Right increasingly take on the mantle of faith, which makes those who are more Left-leaning less friendly to the concept. Add in to that the hypocrisy that many American Christians publicly display when it comes to supposedly core tenets like "loving your neighbor as yourself," and Christianity tends to lose its shine.

Family. I think the state of the economy and the stagnating of wages that has been going on over the past 50 years are the primary culprits for this one. When people can barely support themselves, it feels irresponsible to have a child on top of that. In addition, people are increasingly disconnected from each other by technology, which makes forming relationships much more difficult.

Tolerance. I think the best explanation for the decline in tolerance is that we see the concept taken too far. Increasingly, people are being asked to tolerate the intolerance of others, which leads to people questioning the value of tolerance.

So no, I don't think it's a "hatred of America" that's driving these trends, but rather the increasing politicization of "core American tenets," economic distress, and rising intolerance.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But there are many things happening to teach people to hate their country. The left is key to that I. The things they claim or say have great influence upon young people.

Evidence is clear.

Now disagreeing with things your country does at times is not hatred. Saying you don't like the way parts of the country had Jim Crow laws. Saying you don't like how your country participated in Viet Nam or the money being sent to Ukraine or the support of Israel does not mean you hate your country.

But the constant drumbeat of how bad America is and listing all the real and imaginary grievances against her gives young people the distinct impression that America is just a terrible place and a hell hole. Why wouldn't you hate America if your being told how everyone is marginalized, discriminated against and that America is filled with white supremacy, white and male privilege and that everyone is treated badly and discriminated against unless you are a white male. Police hate black people and hunt them. Everyone except white males are discriminated against and victims of racist, sexist, bigoted society and government that stole land from the Indians as if America is the only country on this planet that has been involved in establishing a country through force of arms. Why wouldn't you hate a country like that?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

But the constant drumbeat of how bad America is and listing all the real and imaginary grievances against her gives young people the distinct impression that America is just a terrible place and a hell hole. Why wouldn't you hate America if your being told how everyone is marginalized, discriminated against and that America is filled with white supremacy, white and male privilege and that everyone is treated badly and discriminated against unless you are a white male. Police hate black people and hunt them. Everyone except white males are discriminated against and victims of racist, sexist, bigoted society and government that stole land from the Indians as if America is the only country on this planet that has been involved in establishing a country through force of arms. Why wouldn't you hate a country like that?

Even if that were an accurate representation of the viewpoints espoused by the American left (it isn't), believing what you wrote does not mean that someone "hates America". Unless, of course, your vision of America is one where all of those things are fundamental elements, and I highly doubt that.

America is more than a collection of racial inequalities. The core values of the country - freedom, democracy, equality - are good. Believing that the country has strayed from those values - right or wrong - does not mean that you hate the country. You may hate what the country has become, but that's not the same thing. The course can be corrected, wrongs can be righted, etc. While they may disagree with you on the precise form that those values take within society or the methodology used to reach them, I think the vast majority of Americans still love the core concept of "America" and "American Values".

 

[rjs330]

Even if that were an accurate representation of the viewpoints espoused by the American left (it isn't), believing what you wrote does not mean that someone "hates America". Unless, of course, your vision of America is one where all of those things are fundamental elements, and I highly doubt that.

America is more than a collection of racial inequalities. The core values of the country - freedom, democracy, equality - are good. Believing that the country has strayed from those values - right or wrong - does not mean that you hate the country. You may hate what the country has become, but that's not the same thing. The course can be corrected, wrongs can be righted, etc. While they may disagree with you on the precise form that those values take within society or the methodology used to reach them, I think the vast majority of Americans still love the core concept of "America" and "American Values".

The issue is that people are not being educated and enlightened on the things you mentioned. But they sure are being taught just how bad America is. Those things I mentioned are being taught and shared.

People are being taught the things I said they are. Through the media and the educational system. Maybe the vast majority of Americans love the core concept. But even you couldn't bring yourself to say you love America even with her past faults.

America isn't perfect. No nation is or ever will be. But she is a far cry from from being this horrible place filled with oppressors and the oppressed.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

The issue is that people are not being educated and enlightened on the things you mentioned.

Says who?

But they sure are being taught just how bad America is. Those things I mentioned are being taught and shared.

People are being taught the things I said they are. Through the media and the educational system.

Learning about the faults and mistakes of your country is a good and normal thing. As you said, no one - no country - is perfect, and pretending like the issues that exist today aren't there helps no one. No one is claiming that the country is "filled" with oppressors and oppressed, just that they're there.

But even you couldn't bring yourself to say you love America even with her past faults.

I don't believe my personal opinions were ever mentioned. Don't put words in my mouth.

 

[rjs330]

Says who?

Go back and re-educate yourself using the all the treads on CRT, the 1619 project the LGBTQ education. I'm too tired to redo all the work. But here's a few things.

Critical race theory is teaching kids to hate each other

https://www.salon.com/2015/12/22/wh...y_future_of_the_planet_depends_on_it_partner/

I’m a Former Teacher. Here’s How Your Children Are Getting Indoctrinated by Leftist Ideology.

Your children are being indoctrinated. The education system designed to teach them how to think critically has been weaponized by the radical left to push an anti-American agenda. As someone who has worked in education for four years, I have seen firsthand how your children are being ensnared...

www.heritage.org

 

[Pommer]

Go back and re-educate yourself using the all the treads on CRT, the 1619 project the LGBTQ education. I'm too tired to redo all the work. But here's a few things.

Critical race theory is teaching kids to hate each other

https://www.salon.com/2015/12/22/wh...y_future_of_the_planet_depends_on_it_partner/

I’m a Former Teacher. Here’s How Your Children Are Getting Indoctrinated by Leftist Ideology.

Your children are being indoctrinated. The education system designed to teach them how to think critically has been weaponized by the radical left to push an anti-American agenda. As someone who has worked in education for four years, I have seen firsthand how your children are being ensnared...

www.heritage.org

What?, children are being taught that our country isn’t the Christian Utopia that Jesus promised us in the Declaration of Independence?

 

[rjs330]

What?, children are being taught that our country isn’t the Christian Utopia that Jesus promised us in the Declaration of Independence?

See this would be indoctrinating kids. I would be opposed to that. Just like I'm opposed to indoctrinating kids with the 1619 project or. teaching them boys can be girls.

See I'm consistent. Are you?

 

[essentialsaltes]

‘This is not a pro-Hamas protest’: Palestinian Americans fight charges of antisemitism​

Roy Alnashef walked into the crowd around Los Angeles City Hall clutching a poster in each hand.

“This is not a pro-Hamas protest,” said one of his homemade signs.

The other read: “Hey Jews. If you were here, you’d be safe. We don’t hate you.”

Alnashef, a software designer from Reseda, said he worries that much of the protest rhetoric undermines the Palestinian cause because it can leave the mistaken impression that the entire movement is aligned with Hamas, which routinely calls for the destruction of Israel and the killing of Jews.

Palestinian Americans said they were acutely aware of the perception that demonstrators support Hamas — which the U.S. government designates as a terrorist organization — and the ways that could hurt the cause.

Particularly damaging have been the white supremacists who have shown up at various pro-Palestinian events and organized anti-Jewish demonstrations, including one in Walnut Creek, Calif., where neo-Nazis unfurled a sign over a bridge that said: “No more wars for I$rael.”

Extremists “would love to be utilizing the Palestinian liberation push to further their antisemitic ideologies,” said Sam Rasoul, a Palestinian American state legislator in Roanoke, Va. “We need to be cognizant of that and reject it.”

A 42-year-old Democrat whose parents emigrated from Ramallah, Rasoul led a recent rally in his southwestern Virginia city, where he shouted into a megaphone that “Tax dollars should not be used to kill innocent people on the other side of the world.”

A local blog, the Roanoke Star, said he was “parroting terrorist propaganda.”

“You have to be very careful in what you say and who you associate with,” said Iman Jodeh, a Palestinian American and state representative in Aurora, Colo.

When she began talking publicly in early October about the Hamas attack and Israel’s bombardment of Gaza, she condemned the militants and called for hostages to be released.

She also described Gaza — which is blockaded by Israel and Egypt — as an “open-air prison” and blamed President Biden’s “unconditional support” of Israel for a “genocide” of Palestinians.

The Denver Gazette news website responded with an editorial that called her an “antisemitic, anti-Israel, anti-American” legislator and accused her of defending Hamas.

Among the dozens of groups organizing in support of Palestinians, there have been recent attempts to avoid messaging that could damage their cause.

At a November rally held by Northwestern University students in Evanston, Ill., that drew 100 demonstrators, one hoisted a green Hamas flag with white Arabic text. Organizers kicked the man out.

 

[rjs330]

“Everyone Was Screaming”: Tulane Jewish Students Assaulted at Pro-Palestinian Rally

At least three pro-Israel students from Tulane University were assaulted during an off-campus pro-Palestinian protest near the university on Thursday. The Journal spoke to a Jewish student who witnessed the assault, saying that “everyone was screaming” and that it was “really scary.”

UPDATE: Tulane University Michael A. Fitts, Senior Vice President for Academic Affairs and Provost Robin Forman and Senior Vice President, Chief Operating Officer and Treasurer Patrick Norton issued a statement Wednesday evening saying that three Tulane students were assaulted during the pro-Palestinian protest and police have made “several arrests.”

“We condemn and are outraged by today’s violence and the hateful language and rhetoric we heard,” Fitts, Forman and Norton said. “It is counter to everything we stand for at Tulane. What started out as a peaceful demonstration unfortunately devolved into a violent incident and a dark day for our community.

 

[rjs330]

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/07/1211...ies-israeli-palestinian-protest-la-california

This man died when hit in the head by a pro-palestinian protestors. The believe it was a megaphone.

The Jewish Federation of Greater Los Angeles said Kessler's death is the fourth major antisemitic crime committed in L.A. this year. Among them: A man was charged with federal hate crimes after shooting at two Jewish men as they walked home from their synagogues in February.

The number of antisemitic incidents in the Los Angeles area had already been on the rise, according to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL): It said earlier this year that the community reported 237 such incidents in 2022, up 30% from the year before.

The organization has also reported a dramatic national increase in antisemitic incidents since Oct. 7 — at least 312 as of late last month — for an increase of 388% from the same period in 2022.

 

[essentialsaltes]

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/07/1211...ies-israeli-palestinian-protest-la-california

This man died when hit in the head by a pro-palestinian protestors.

After he was struck, he died when he fell backwards and hit his head on the cement. The assaulter, who called 911 at the time of the incident to get help, has been charged with involuntary manslaughter.

A man was charged with federal hate crimes after shooting at two Jewish men as they walked home from their synagogues in February.

This was not a pro-Palestinian protest. Or even a Palestinian.