America is still obsessed with racial segregation

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Read the original writings of Kimberlé Crenshaw and Derrick Bell.

And, if you've read Marx, you will see his words echoed in their writings. because it takes using Marx' peculiar dialectic rhetoric to accept the fundamentals of CRT. The concept of "critical theory" itself is, specifically and uniquely, a product of Karl Marx. Crenshaw and Bell merely adapt Marx' "critical theory" to race.
People talk about Marx like everything he did was wrong and evil. In fact he was pretty brilliant in many ways and the deep look into systems of power and oppression is really valuable. I will grant that part of his prescription for justice was really....wrong.

As for CRT, I'm not going to read a bunch of books on it. I just thought that if it included racism as a genetic trait, Id be able to find that with a search. So Im still skeptical of that.
 
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The Harvard-educated mother of two is now at the center of America’s never ending tussle with race and identity when she accidentally invited every member of her City Council to a party intended solely for Council-members who are not white. Wu’s actions would almost be comical if they weren’t so disingenuous, if not downright dangerous.

we are all racist ... the lower on the table the more so ... thing is we look to media to determine the narative which is in the interest of the controlers to keep the divide ... division being how they control ... respect gets lost with this agenda for reason ... look to the reason not the racial divide and you will find the motive ...
 
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Do a Google search on blacks who kill whites and see how many hits you get. You know it happens unless you think all whites do the killing.
What an ironically racist reply. Thanks for proving my point.
 
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People talk about Marx like everything he did was wrong and evil. In fact he was pretty brilliant in many ways and the deep look into systems of power and oppression is really valuable. I will grant that part of his prescription for justice was really....wrong.
Marx' foundational concept of "critical theory" is what's wrong. To accept Marx, you have to abandon every concept of epistemology and accept his epistemology of "critical theory." He states that up front. It's within a bushel of word salad, but it's up front.

CRT starts with Marx' word salad, practically cut and paste.

As for CRT, I'm not going to read a bunch of books on it. I just thought that if it included racism as a genetic trait, Id be able to find that with a search. So Im still skeptical of that.

Then you're uncritically looking for only what CRT apologists write to cover up what the founding critical race theorists actually wrote.

Go ahead with that.
 
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But there were white people I had known from high school and my early military years--decades--who seemed to have been cool about racial issues become rabid racists after Obama's election. It was like watching them turn into werewolves. White Christians were explicitly declaring it was a sign of the end of the world.
I saw Obama as a healing response from the people. I'm not saying the boomers were less racist because we were racist and our fathers more so probably. Again there is racism in all groups. I'm just saying over time with my kids to my grandkids racism is not what it used to be. Slavery was a bad part of world history but drumming up the past to today's generation will never heal those ills. Ever since the dawn of man, man wanted someone else to do the work for them. The whites started implementing an Affirmative action plan for minorities. How about reparations for the Japanese why just the blacks?
I think if there was structured racism we would have so many successful black people. There are too many stories of blacks who've grown up in poverty and became successful. Some prefer generational welfare or staying in Egypt.
What's happening instead is that academia and political demagogues,
Yes, these guys are the worst! I forget the name, but the college course taught about black people but my son was afraid of the grade because his view didn't align with the professor's view. He did pass the course after all.
 
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What an ironically racist reply. Thanks for proving my point.
Be bold Look it up! I know blacks kill whites. How many articles can find? All you see in the media about is a white man killing a black man somewheres? Ignorance is bliss.
 
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No, CRT is racist in its very essentials. Read the seminal texts, not what its apologists say about it.
From what I have read there is a wide range of opinions from CRT writers from the most militant to the most diplomatic so I don't think CRT can be painted with just one color (so to speak). The main thing I agree with from the majority of CRT writers is that the United States law and culture was built on racism,
 
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As the white population declines, at what point will another race become the target racists?
Even if the white population of the United States were to become a minority, that minority would still hold the majority of money, property, and government influence so don't worry.
 
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I didn't hear that.
Re-segregation is a viewpoint being taught in Black Studies courses in colleges and black online spaces such as "Black Twitter" (yeah, now "X").

I've had plenty of discussions with young blacks as to how absurd their call for re-segregation is.

The first thing they don't understand is how segregation was not working for us in the past. Most look at a couple of gross statistics and conclude "we were doing just fine with segregation." Yes, there were more black businesses and the marriage rate was higher. However, the way white racism managed "separate but equal" was to make sure "separate" never became "equal." Some of those ways were economic, some of those ways were legislative, some were just a flat resort to violence.

For instance, whites were perfectly fine with a black man owning a barbershop or a funeral home; whites didn't want to provide that kind of personal service to black people anyway. But if that black man went to the white bank for a loan to expand his business to additional locations...no, that was not going to happen. And even though there were a few black banks, white policies and legislation made sure those banks were not large enough to support a black pharmacist growing into another Walgreen. Black segregated housing was an easy target for reduced services and negative zoning impacts.

When I was a teenager, we lived in an area of town that had been opened as a "middle class" area for blacks in 1960 while housing segregation was still the law. Doing that took a great deal of economic and state-level legislative wheeling and dealing by the developer, because the city did not want such a thing as a middle-class neighborhood for blacks. The neighborhood was located on the south edge of the city, with an expectation that city expansion would grow to envelop it. How did the city respond? They put in an airport on the west side, low-income projects on the north side (cutting it off from the city), and a prison on the east side. Cities put freeways through the black areas, landfills next to the black areas, noxious industries next to the black areas.

Black people did not call for integration out of some desire to sit next to white people in restaurants, black people called for integration because being "separate" made us easier targets. Racism made segregation non-viable for black people.

Young black people today believe white people are just as racist now as they were back then...no improvement. Yet, they don't understand why the parents of black Boomers pushed for integration in the first place. If whites are no better now than before, then re-segregation won't work any better now than it did before. Their re-segregation depends on whites being better people now. But if whites are better people, then re-segregation is not necessary.

But it's got to be understood that re-segregation only makes sense within the framework of critical race theory, which argues foundationally that white people will never change, and social power must be wrested from them so that they can be effectively oppressed to social insignificance.
 
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From what I have read there is a wide range of opinions from CRT writers from the most militant to the most diplomatic so I don't think CRT can be painted with just one color (so to speak). The main thing I agree with from the majority of CRT writers is that the United States law and culture was built on racism,
Read the texts of the people who created CRT. Until you do that, what you believe about it is based on its apologists, who are intent on making sure you don't really understand what it says.
 
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I already said that I don't know. So, once again, do you have a theory to expound on? Or are you just going to keep repeating yourself?
I just did. Immediately above your post.
 
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That's the class my son took but was afraid of getting a bad test grade. I'm a dork. The reason I dislike the media so much and the continued talk of racism is because it affected my family. My granddaughter who was in middle school at the time never talked about racism. When she got her iPhone, she was exposed to racist talk. She talked to my son and expressed her fears because of the color of her skin. She even compared her color with her siblings and cousins. She was color-blind until the media got in her head.
 
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Is that what NBC, USA Today and The Boston Herald etc. are doing?
Yes. It's pretty poor journalism all around. Dig in for some details and it's not a story. Word it so that it's some sort of reverse KKKK meeting and it's click bait. I don't know if you've not noticed but journalism these days consists of reading somebody elese's story and repeating it. Sometimes you're lucky enough to get an attribute ('as reported in the Daily Telegraph') butit will be practically verbatim. Go check and see for yourself.
 
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Read the texts of the people who created CRT. Until you do that, what you believe about it is based on its apologists, who are intent on making sure you don't really understand what it says.
I do get that and I will take a look back. Still, don't you think that CRT has evolved into more and less extreme writings over the years as the theory has been studied and added to/taken away from? I mean is it just one theory from one writer or is it a topic with many varying ideas?
 
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Let's say the klan holds a meeting for ten years, in another state...
This wasn't in another state. It wasn't a racist organisation and everyone knew about it and nobody cared. Get one journalist from whatever paper spinning it to make it seem like a big deal and everyone else reports it and lots of people run around like headless chooks. It's per0lexing.
Just like the university presidents who won't denounce the actions of Hamas or their supporters on campus.
I've not known an op have so much difficulty sticking to the topic of his own thread. Is a link to transgenderism next? Abortion maybe?
 
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The Harvard-educated mother of two is now at the center of America’s never ending tussle with race and identity when she accidentally invited every member of her City Council to a party intended solely for Council-members who are not white. Wu’s actions would almost be comical if they weren’t so disingenuous, if not downright dangerous.
i will say it seems like an odd reverse racism. like racism from whites is wrong (i completely agree) but racism from other races is justified? because of prior racism from whites? makes no sense. I thought we all learned as kids "2 wrongs don't make a right" yet here we are
 
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i will say it seems like an odd reverse racism. like racism from whites is wrong (i completely agree) but racism from other races is justified? because of prior racism from whites? makes no sense. I thought we all learned as kids "2 wrongs don't make a right" yet here we are
Maya Angelou said, "When you know better, you do better."

That sentiment rules out evil for evil as retribution.
 
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