America is still obsessed with racial segregation

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.....This is the foundation of CRT: That white people in general and white men in particular can never become non-racist...it's a genetic function.
Interesting. Do you have a source for this?

I could see how there might be some predisposition toward tribalism that we inherit genetically. But it makes no sense that this is characteristic of just one "race". And Im having no luck searching for where this is the core of crt.
 
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So? Are you white? If so, are you still practicing to be the best and most successful at it?
It seems that white males who recognize all white males as racist aren't racist themselves but they're still guilty of racism by virtue of being white males, so they do their best to make up for that by talking a lot about the racism of all white males.
 
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It seems that white males who recognize all white males as racist aren't racist themselves but they're still guilty of racism by virtue of being white males, so they do their best to make up for that by talking a lot about the racism of all white males.
My kids have more races in their blood than most of the virtue signalers and I have a black grandchild. I have grandchildren who are white in complexion but the media has everyone judging each other by skin color. sad
 
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What is to gained from such perpetuation?
While I agree with Laodicean60's and RDKirk's assessments, I think also that it's become so ingrained and habitual that whatever goal there might have been has been lost.
 
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While I agree with Laodicean60's and RDKirk's assessments, I think also that it's become so ingrained and habitual that whatever goal there might have been has been lost.
It's only ingrained in those who don't peek outside of the box they were placed in.
 
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You made the statement that whites are historically most successful at racism. Do you believe that's still the case?
Yeah, of course. But not all whites are racist. It stems back to Empire. Nations like England stomped a third of the world and set up this notion white racists have that they are just better.

It stems from being told that no matter how poor and oppressed you are you can take comfort in being white (this might be more an American thing).

Do you see now?
 
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In the end, it's to keep us divided so we can't talk about issues with each other because we've been manipulated by the media into tribalism. Seems no common ground anymore.
I think it’s the opposite. There is still systemic racism in both the UK and America. Calling out examples of racism is important because it IS systemic: it’s built in and is accepted as ‘fine’ because it was ever thus.

That’s why Conservatism often gets conflated with racism: because it white guys not wanting to change the status quo. A status quo that systemically oppresses black folks.
 
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Sigh.

Votes for what? Why are folks [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]y footing around stating what the ultimate aim of all this is?

‘Votes’ really needs further explanation. Votes for what?

Please put your thoughts into words.
 
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It seems that white males who recognize all white males as racist aren't racist themselves but they're still guilty of racism by virtue of being white males, so they do their best to make up for that by talking a lot about the racism of all white males.
Madam, I find that characterisation of myself as both inaccurate and circular.
 
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The only other ethnic group that's been an ally to black people historically are Jews.
Which is ironic given the anti-Semitism exhibited by some blacks. You're in Dallas. Remember the Biscuits and Bagels summit?!
 
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If the OP had linked to an actual news article from a reputable news outlet instead of an op-ed, we might have all been informed that this party is organized by a group called Electeds of Color, has been going on for a while (at least a decade according to articles I've read, though I haven't seen anything more specific) and Wu was merely asked to host it this year.




I read one quote saying that hosting this sort of "divisive" party was not typical for Boston mayors - that may be because Boston has never had a non-white mayor before, except for Kim Janey, who served as acting mayor for nine months after Marty Walsh joined the Obama cabinet, but she didn't serve over Christmas and, thus, couldn't have hosted any Christmas parties as mayor.

Wow, it was happening for at least a decade? That makes it even worse.

I'll believe that folks are really concerned about racial divisiveness when they express even a fraction of this level of concern over the fact that Boston took nearly 400 years to elect a non-white person as mayor despite the fact that 51% of its residents are non-white.

This is a very manipulative statement. You left out the fact that Boston didn't have a mayor until 1822. Mayor of Boston - Wikipedia

You also left out the fact that non-white people were a smaller demographic in the recent past. Non-Hispanic Whites made up 59.0% of Boston's population in the 90s, 79.5% in the 70s and 96.6% in the 40s. It's only in 2000 that non-Hispanic Whites became a minority.

You also left out the fact that some mayors during these times served over five years as mayor. Thomas Menino severed over twenty years as mayor, from 1993 to 2014.

Given these facts, which have nothing to do with racial divisiveness, it's very easy to see why a non-white person wasn't elected for "400 years".

ETA: Janey and Wu were also the first female mayors of Boston. I wonder if there would have been similar outrage if she'd accidentally invited all the dudes to an annual Women in Government party.

Or if a non-Hispanic White mayor had a non-Hispanic Whites holiday party and accidently sent the invites to people of color.
 
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You and I came from a day when racism and segregation were real problems. Even so, as a teenager in the 70s, I saw healing begin and I had black friends in my neighborhood. In the Army, our kids played together. I noticed a shift when Obama was elected, a black man at that. When the right didn't agree with his policies they were labeled racist.
I'd agree that's when a "shift" began, but I saw it from a different perspective. I'm old enough to remember segregation very well. I'd been in middle school before I'd even met a white person...I'd never even been on a playground with a white kid. To be honest, as I woke up that morning to the news that Obama's election was certain, I was mildly and pleasantly surprised. That was not something I'd expected to see in my lifetime.

But there were white people I had known from high school and my early military years--decades--who seemed to have been cool about racial issues become rabid racists after Obama's election. It was like watching them turn into werewolves. White Christians were explicitly declaring it was a sign of the end of the world. The election of a black president was clearly a step too far for a lot of people. Racism re-erupted in us like the raging of a mortally wounded animal. (Am I talking about every single individual? No...but a huge percentage.)

Up until then, I'd always thought that the Boomer Generation was the first non-racist generation. But I realized then that at best we might be the last racist generation...unable (as a generation) to fully erase the racism that had been so thoroughly inculcated into us as children.

I should have realized that earlier: "As the twig is bent, so grows the tree." Just as it took a full saeculum for the Hebrews freed from Egyptian bondage to be ready to cross the Jordan, it would take no less than a saeculum for America to cross the river away from racism. Just as the last Hebrew slave generation out of bondage had to die, the Boomer generation would have to die.
Interracial marriage is common now. Since then the media started to amplify every time a black man was killed by a white.

Young people who have no life experience buy into "systematic" racism. The media had to use the adjective to keep the drumbeat going. We have laws in place against racism.

In the end, it's to keep us divided so we can't talk about issues with each other because we've been manipulated by the media into tribalism. Seems no common ground anymore.

I believe that to the extent structural racism can be removed by legislation, that job is largely completed. "Systemic" racism is a real thing, but it's rather like the freed Hebrews in the Sinai still lusting for the food of Egypt. God could take those Hebrews out of Egypt, but He couldn't take Egypt out of those Hebrews. Those Hebrews had to die off.

A slave culture had been inculcated into black people in America that continued to be enforced by Jim Crow right into the 1960s. Government removed those enforcement mechanisms, but it did not and could not erase that slave culture. We can validly blame white people for doing that to us, but white people can't give us a functional culture. We'll have to find some way to do that ourselves...and frankly, we're failing.

What's happening instead is that academia and political demagogues, for their own advantage, have taken up the mantra that because everything hasn't changed, then nothing has changed. The new generation of black people believe it's the same today as it was sixty years ago. It's what CRT teaches them. It's an argument I have every day online and in person with young black people. I point out, "Look at how bad it was within my own memory," and they say, "Yeah, and it's just as bad right now!" which takes me aback because it so obviously is not.

But thinking that it's so is a set of blinders that keeps them from taking advantage of the advantages they have that I had and my parents did not. It's like the Hebrews who refused to cross the Jordan because they heard stories that the people over the river were giants.
 
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Interesting. Do you have a source for this?

I could see how there might be some predisposition toward tribalism that we inherit genetically. But it makes no sense that this is characteristic of just one "race". And Im having no luck searching for where this is the core of crt.
Read the original writings of Kimberlé Crenshaw and Derrick Bell.

And, if you've read Marx, you will see his words echoed in their writings. because it takes using Marx' peculiar dialectic rhetoric to accept the fundamentals of CRT. The concept of "critical theory" itself is, specifically and uniquely, a product of Karl Marx. Crenshaw and Bell merely adapt Marx' "critical theory" to race.
 
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Sigh.

Votes for what? Why are folks [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]y footing around stating what the ultimate aim of all this is?

‘Votes’ really needs further explanation. Votes for what?

Please put your thoughts into words.
Just to stay elected.

You seem to think there must be some vast conspiratorial goal beyond individuals who are just looking out for themselves.
 
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This is a very manipulative statement. You left out the fact that Boston didn't have a mayor until 1822. Mayor of Boston - Wikipedia

I thought about using that as the starting point, but that was only when the city was officially chartered. It existed (and had leaders) for ~200 years prior to that.


You also left out the fact that non-white people were a smaller demographic in the recent past. Non-Hispanic Whites made up 59.0% of Boston's population in the 90s, 79.5% in the 70s and 96.6% in the 40s. It's only in 2000 that non-Hispanic Whites became a minority.

That's a fair point, but still, non-hispanic whites have been less than 60% of the population since at least 1990, or 33 years ago.


You also left out the fact that some mayors during these times served over five years as mayor. Thomas Menino severed over twenty years as mayor, from 1993 to 2014.

I'm aware. I lived there during his tenure.

Or if a non-Hispanic White mayor had a non-Hispanic Whites holiday party and accidently sent the invites to people of color.
It's quite different for a group of folks from historically-ostracized minorities to make a group for themselves than it is for a group of folks from a historically-ostracizing majority to make a group for themselves that further the ostracizing in which their group has historically engaged.

Do you object to the women's groups having events for women?
 
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By reporting on racism and bigotry?
Do a Google search on blacks who kill whites and see how many hits you get. You know it happens unless you think all whites do the killing.
 
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