'Gay is slay': Seattle middle schoolers forced to send hate mail to Moms for Liberty

[Servus]

It's obvious you know nothing about the books because two of them have nothing to do with LGBT issues or identity at all. Plenty of Hugs and Two Dads and even Tango Makes Three are about loving families, it just happens that the parents are of the same gender. Work loves worm might be borderline, but honestly it just seems silly.

Since out of all the titles you listed you're saying only two don't have a sexuality theme, that means I was mostly correct.

 

[Arcangl86]

Since out of all the titles you listed you're saying only two don't have a sexuality theme, that means I was mostly correct.

One of the books was about legacy and extended family. Another was about resiliency and kindness towards others even when you are suffering. That's two out of six, a full third of the books names. 3 of the other four are arguably about sexuality in that they show same gender couples, but the stories would be the absolue same if they showed opposite gender couples. Worm can probably be read as being about gender identity, but it can also just be read as a silly book pointing out that human traditions don't matter to animals.

 

[Gene2memE]

It's doubtful the objection to those books being in elementary school libraries is limited to Moms For Liberty. It's very likely that quite a large number of parents overall consider those books inappropriate for elementary schools. Those books are obviously about sexuality, and there are probably no books about sexuality on that level that are really appropriate for little children.

Why are books including same-sex parents "obviously about sexuality"? Do you also consider books including opposite-sex parents "obviously about sexuality"?

 

[Servus]

One of the books was about legacy and extended family. Another was about resiliency and kindness towards others even when you are suffering. That's two out of six, a full third of the books names. 3 of the other four are arguably about sexuality in that they show same gender couples, but the stories would be the absolue same if they showed opposite gender couples. Worm can probably be read as being about gender identity, but it can also just be read as a silly book pointing out that human traditions don't matter to animals.

Looking at Plenty of Hugs, the illustrations depict one mom as clearly appearing female and the other mom as clearly appearing male, so really it's pretty obviously about transexuality despite whatever the story is supposed to be about.

 

[Servus]

Why are books including same-sex parents "obviously about sexuality"? Do you also consider books including opposite-sex parents "obviously about sexuality"?

This isn't about what I think, it's about what parents in general think. And it's a forgone conclusion the books are obviously about sexuality, considering the large number of parents not wanting those books in elementary schools based on their content. Do you think there's some other type of content in them that's being objected to?

 

[A2SG]

Do you think there's some other type of content in them that's being objected to?

Yes.

-- A2SG, how dare these kind of people exist in my world????

 

[PloverWing]

What I don't get is the idea of not bullying anyone is supposed to be some new revolutionary teaching in elementary schools. I was taught that more than 50 years ago, and I'm sure you were taught it as well when you were in elementary school.

True, and the Golden Rule has been around for much longer than that. But the full implications of "don't bully others" or "treat others as you want to be treated" aren't always lived out in American society. Black people, women, Jews, Muslims, Latinos, gay people, gender nonconforming people, and people in a number of other groups have often not been treated according to the Golden Rule, despite our best intentions. Sometimes, I think, people don't realize how their actions and attitudes hurt others. So it can be useful to get specific sometimes, and point to specific groups. "See how this can hurt Jewish people?" "See how this can hurt gay people?" and so on.

 

[rambot]

The kids tests scores keep going down and down, and taxpayer money is being used for political indoctrination. It's illegal.

Students can choose which organization to send their letters too.

Did you never do this growing up? Ita a common assignment in Jr high and high school.

 

[rambot]

I wish they'd have courses in critical thinking so people would learn to discern news reporting from actual news outlets and propaganda from political outlets.

Actually, whe. Ita done right they find biased language, emotive reporting and specious reasoning in any news source. But obviously that is more common in exceedingly biased sources.

 

[rambot]

Who is stopping any parents from raising their kids with traditional Christian values?

How are you raising your kids? Is it according to your beliefs and values?

I think their argument is that they want to make sure they can still teach their kids to bully trans and gay kids.

 

[rambot]

Why are books including same-sex parents "obviously about sexuality"? Do you also consider books including opposite-sex parents "obviously about sexuality"?

Books about penguins are OBVIOUSLY books about sexuality..

 

[rjs330]

Wholesome?
What is the “Liberty” that they fight for?
Isn’t it “the Liberty” to continue to hate the people we were used to alllowed to hate becuase we’ve always done so, so why CHANGE THAT?

Did you say hate? I'd like to see evidence that accusation.

 

[rjs330]

Freedom of speech is a wide boulevard and it is permitted that both sides get a say.
MFL apparently doesn't like that.
Boo-hoo

This isn't about free speech. IF this occurred using taxpayer money the the school is POLITICIZING children's education. Using the school to oppose other people's views. What if a teacher had all the kids write to BLM and tell them they were bullying shop keepers or attacking police and they needed to stop? Or the QSA telling them to stop bullying people who disagree with them? That would be just as wrong.

These kids aren't getting these things by themselves. They are being indoctrinated by the schools and in the schools. A teacher has no right to teach kids THEIR personal Belief SYSTEM concerning cultural and political matters.

 

[rjs330]

Then they should send their kids to a christian school, if that's what they want. Public schools aren't in the business of upholding "traditional christian values", that isn't their job.

It's also not their job to teach kids their own cultural and political values and then have kids participate in classes with work and projects supporting those. I can imagine what would happen if kids had an assignment to write to the Justice system in New York asking them to stop bullying Trump. I think quite a few people would be very upset about that.

Or writing to the state department demanding they continue the support of Israel. Or write to the Palestinian groups tell them to stop marching in opposition the Israel.

 

[Servus]

Books about penguins are OBVIOUSLY books about sexuality..

That statement is obviously disingenuous.

 

[A2SG]

This isn't about free speech. IF this occurred using taxpayer money the the school is POLITICIZING children's education.

Doesn't seem to be the case here. According to the article in the OP, this was an independent activity, not part of the school's curriculum.

Using the school to oppose other people's views. What if a teacher had all the kids write to BLM and tell them they were bullying shop keepers or attacking police and they needed to stop? Or the QSA telling them to stop bullying people who disagree with them? That would be just as wrong.

These kids appeared to be responding to attempts to bully them, and their friends, directly. Not others, like shop keepers or police officers. Kids. Maybe even some of the kids who wrote the notes themselves.

These kids aren't getting these things by themselves. They are being indoctrinated by the schools and in the schools. A teacher has no right to teach kids THEIR personal Belief SYSTEM concerning cultural and political matters.

You're making assumptions here. You don't know if the idea to write these letters came from the kids themselves.

Thing is, kids live in the same world we do. They see the same things we do. They're aware of what's going on. If they know other kids who may be LGBTQ, and they hear some of the things said about them, it's not hard to imagine they'd want to say something about it.

I don't know about you, but I have to admire that.

-- A2SG, this isn't indoctrination...it's education.......which schools are supposed to be doing, right?

 

[A2SG]

It's also not their job to teach kids their own cultural and political values and then have kids participate in classes with work and projects supporting those.

Kinda depends, doesn't it? I mean, kids are taught a lot of things that could be considered cultural or political values in school. Civics, for example, or activism in causes they believe in. Nothing wrong with teaching that, is there?

I can imagine what would happen if kids had an assignment to write to the Justice system in New York asking them to stop bullying Trump. I think quite a few people would be very upset about that.

Sure. But that's not at all the same case as the example in the OP, is it? Let's not forget, the OP didn't reference a school assignment.

Or writing to the state department demanding they continue the support of Israel. Or write to the Palestinian groups tell them to stop marching in opposition the Israel.

If the kids wanted to do that on their own, it's not wrong for a teacher to help them.

-- A2SG, kids today can be a lot more tuned to activism than they were when I was a kid.....

 

[Servus]

I think their argument is that they want to make sure they can still teach their kids to bully trans and gay kids.

That's highly unlikely.

 

[rjs330]

It totally is.

In 2023, the Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights organization that tracks extremists, termed Moms for Liberty a far-right extremist organization.The group has been criticized for harassment, for deepening divisions among parents, for making students' education more difficult, and for having close ties to the Republican Party rather than being a genuine grassroots effort.

Moms for Liberty - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Oh please the SPLC is nothing more than a left wing shill group with biases galore towards conservatives. It recklessly labels conservative groups as hate groups. It's a totally biased liberal organization who targets people. They were so unreliable that the FBI quit using them as a source.

Even judges recognize this. A federal judge recently found that the SPLC hate list does not “depend upon objective data or evidence” and its application of the “hate group” designation is “entirely subjective.” And another federal judge ruled that SPLC’s “representation or description” of a nonprofit organization as a hate group “is not one ‘of fact.’”

So their labels are clearly biased and untrustworthy. They even lost a lawsuit in regards this.

 

[rjs330]

And schools are doing that, which MFL takes as having LGBTQIA+ issues shoved down children’s throats.
The loss of privilege looks like persecution to the formerly advantaged.

That's baloney and you know it. You've been on enough threads to know better. Schools and individual teachers have gone far beyond just teaching that everyone should be treated fairly. You are just gas lighting people.