Without mentioning Trump or Democracy, why do you support Joe Biden for President.

[The Barbarian]

The northern states industrialized well before the southern, and are wealthier as a result.

Better educated, healthier, less inbred, etc. Would you like to see that?

But there are red states that are now ascendant in terms of economic growth and opportunity, such as Texas, Florida, etc.

So far, it's not working for the average person in those states. Which is what matters.

And I am not sure about this whole "conservatives being jealous about people making more money"

Notice that for them the disparity of income means more than higher income for the average person in that state.

sure seems to me that the blue states, with their estate taxes, inheritance taxes, and high business taxes, are the ones wanting to take money from people who earned it, and give it to someone else.

If that were the case, real income would be higher in red states. But it's lower in red states.

And a number of those billionaires you speak of are quickly moving to red states, such as Ken Griffin

Because the regressive tax structure in red states appeals to them.

I guess they got tired of Democrats not enforcing the law, letting criminals run wild,

Well, that's another issue...

Now, for the rest of the story. In a report Third Way recently released, we found that murder was much more prevalent in red states than blue states. That’s right. In 2020, homicide rates were a stunning 40 percent higher in the 25 states that former President Donald Trump won compared to the 25 won by current President Joe Biden. Of the 10 states with the highest 2020 per capita murder rates in America, eight of them not only voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, they voted Republican in every presidential election this century.

We have a murder problem in America — especially in red states

Amid a spike in violence, murder was much more prevalent in red states than blue states.

thehill.com

Violent crime is soaring in red states as criminals run wild.

The CDC data shows that in 2019, eight of the top 10 states voted for Trump; in 2020, seven of the top 10 did. The report said the gap in murder rates between red and blue states has widened, from a low of a nine percent gap in 2003 and 2004 to a high of 44 percent in 2019. Experts question whether politics, as opposed to social conditions, is a deciding factor in the high homicide rates. Using the 2020 electoral college map as a proxy for blue and red states glosses over whether Democrats or Republicans run individual states. The top 10 states by murder rate in 2020 were Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri, Arkansas, South Carolina, Tennessee, Illinois, Maryland and Georgia.

Is It True That Eight Of The Top Ten Murder States Are 'Red' States?

“You can’t make this stuff up. Eight of the top ten murder states, in terms of the increase in murder rates, are all red states,” California Gov. Gavin Newsom charged last week. Newsom charged that in general, “red” states that voted for Donald Trump do more poorly than “blue” states that...

www.ncja.org

 

[Truth7t7]

But he's doing a reasonably good job.

A reasonably good job?

Open borders, double digit inflation, the majority of Americans 60% think he's doing a poor job, 70% believe he's not physically or mentally fit to run in 2024, and the list goes on

 

[Truth7t7]

Trump
Is a criminal guilty of sexual assault,
Is currently on trial for insurrection, election fraud, and bank fraud
Bungled the pandemic, killing hundreds of thousands of Americans,
A thief who stole top secret documents and shared them with others
Refers to our troops as "suckers" and "losers."

"False"

 

[The Barbarian]

"False"

A Colorado judge finds Trump 'engaged in insurrection​

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/18/1213961050/colorado-judge-finds-trump-engaged-in-insurrection-but-keeps-him-on-ballot

 

[The Barbarian]

A reasonably good job?

Open borders,

We haven't had open borders since the early 1900s. That's just a story republicans tell to people they think are stupid.

double digit inflation,

Oct. 2023:
“It might be surprising, but inflation excluding shelter prices is now up just 1.5% year-on-year,” said Snyder. “Excluding food, energy and shelter prices, inflation is now just 2% higher year-on-year. While it is likely still too early for the Federal Reserve to declare victory against inflation outright, inflation appears to be trending in the right direction and that should keep additional rate hikes off the table.”

Overall, inflation has been trending down. “The key question moving forward is whether this downtrend in inflation will be accompanied by slowing economic growth,” said Snyder. “Early indicators seem to suggest that growth will moderate towards the end of the year and into early 2024.”

October 2023 CPI: Inflation falls to 3.2% | J.P. Morgan

Headline inflation showed cooling in October from 3.7% to 3.2%, a sign that it may be trending in the right direction.

www.jpmorgan.com

1/5%. Perhaps you don't know what "double digit" means.

the majority of Americans 60% think he's doing a poor job,

He's down to Trump levels currently 55% don't approve.

70% believe he's not physically or mentally fit to run in 2024

I notice the republicans were screaming that he outsmarted them on the debt negotiations. So apparently mentally sharper than they are. And while Trump struggles to walk down a ramp, Biden is still riding bicycles for exercise.

 

[Truth7t7]

A Colorado judge finds Trump 'engaged in insurrection​

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/18/1213961050/colorado-judge-finds-trump-engaged-in-insurrection-but-keeps-him-on-ballot

A liberal Colorado judges "Opinion" was given and nothing more

No place or time has Donald J. Trump been charged with "Insurrection" as you falsely claim he's on trial for this

Once again your claim is "False"

 

[probinson]

Now, I know that conservatives are jealous of anyone making more money than they do,

so those blue state billionaires infuriate them. But still, the fact that most people in blue states make more real income than most people in red states, is a better index of affluence, isn't it?

Is it? I thought liberals thought billionaires are bad because they don't pay enough taxes? Quite the conundrum you've created there. Should you disparage Republicans for some imagined "jealousy" or disparage billionaires for not paying their fair share? Decisions, decisions!

 

[probinson]

And while Trump struggles to walk down a ramp, Biden is still riding bicycles for exercise.

Although you must admit that Biden seems to have quite the issue with more complex movements, like walking up stairs...

 

[Merrill]

Better educated, healthier, less inbred, etc. Would you like to see that?


So far, it's not working for the average person in those states. Which is what matters.


Notice that for them the disparity of income means more than higher income for the average person in that state.

If that were the case, real income would be higher in red states. But it's lower in red states.

Because the regressive tax structure in red states appeals to them.

Well, that's another issue...

Now, for the rest of the story. In a report Third Way recently released, we found that murder was much more prevalent in red states than blue states. That’s right. In 2020, homicide rates were a stunning 40 percent higher in the 25 states that former President Donald Trump won compared to the 25 won by current President Joe Biden. Of the 10 states with the highest 2020 per capita murder rates in America, eight of them not only voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, they voted Republican in every presidential election this century.

We have a murder problem in America — especially in red states

Amid a spike in violence, murder was much more prevalent in red states than blue states.

thehill.com

Violent crime is soaring in red states as criminals run wild.

The CDC data shows that in 2019, eight of the top 10 states voted for Trump; in 2020, seven of the top 10 did. The report said the gap in murder rates between red and blue states has widened, from a low of a nine percent gap in 2003 and 2004 to a high of 44 percent in 2019. Experts question whether politics, as opposed to social conditions, is a deciding factor in the high homicide rates. Using the 2020 electoral college map as a proxy for blue and red states glosses over whether Democrats or Republicans run individual states. The top 10 states by murder rate in 2020 were Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri, Arkansas, South Carolina, Tennessee, Illinois, Maryland and Georgia.

Is It True That Eight Of The Top Ten Murder States Are 'Red' States?

“You can’t make this stuff up. Eight of the top ten murder states, in terms of the increase in murder rates, are all red states,” California Gov. Gavin Newsom charged last week. Newsom charged that in general, “red” states that voted for Donald Trump do more poorly than “blue” states that...

www.ncja.org

There are southern states with high black populations and a lot of poverty. Thus more crime in some of them vs. their northern neighbors

But this narrative about crime being less in Democrat-run states and cities is basically false. Democrats are the ones defunding police departments (or trying to) (Minneapolis and elsewhere), eliminating cash bail (Illinois), building tent cities for illegals, allowing illegal immigration on a federal level (and thus many of these people end up in states like Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico), etc.

The top cities for murder in the US are St. Louis and Baltimore, and both have liberal Democrat mayors. Number 3 & 4 on the list: Detroit and Dayton, also have liberal Democrat mayors

so 4 out of the top 5 cities with the highest murder rates in the country have Democrat mayors, city councils, etc.

The more liberal and Democrat-run, the worse the crime in the city. San Francisco is a good example:

Why San Francisco Is Nearly The Most Crime-Ridden City In The US

San Franciscans face about a 1-in-16 chance each year of being a victim of property or violent crime, which makes the city more dangerous than 98 percent of US cities, both small and large. To put this in perspective, Compton, California, the infamous home of drug gang turf wars, and which today...

www.hoover.org

These northern states you point to that have relatively low crime are places like Indiana and the Dakotas, which are run by Republicans.

And yes, the border is de-facto open. When Trump left office, illegal border crossings were at 400,000. They are now at a record 2.4 million

Biden and Harris don't even make a pretense of border enforcement, and many Democrats think borders are "racist"

meanwhile, people in liberal states are leaving, and moving to red states like Texas, Florida, and South Carolina. If taxes were horrible and regressive in those states (they are not--despite some nonsense by left-wing sites claiming otherwise), people wouldn't be moving there

 

[Merrill]

As far as inflation goes, these are the official numbers for the last few years

and as bad as that looks, things are much worse. Housing prices skyrocketed in 2021 - 22 (close to 20%), rents soared, and gas prices increased 30-40%. Those prices have not come down, even though the official inflation rate has gone down this year.

Why Americans feel inflation, economy are much worse than they are — Harvard Gazette

The Gazette asks Harvard economists Karen Dynan and Jason Furman what exactly is driving this public pessimism.

news.harvard.edu

Joe Biden is directly responsible for much of this record inflation. The unnecessary, 400 billion "American Rescue Plan" paid people not to work, and the 900 billion dollar "Inflation Reduction Act" (oh the irony), contributing to the inflation. Bad energy policy, mismanaged supply lines, and a "guns and butter" foreign policy also have contributed to this inflation.

This baloney narrative about Biden decreasing the deficit by 1.7 trillion is just that. Why? Because the record deficit at the end of 2020 was due to the entire US economy, and much of the world economy, being totally shutdown by COVID-19. Even after the lockdown, many businesses remained closed or half-staffed, and tax revenues plummeted. A crashing stock market led to capital gains tax revenues imploding.

Biden has no such crisis on his hands, and he is running 2 trillion dollar deficits. Totally irresponsible

He needs to be voted out-of-office, or we will have much bigger problems on our hands in 2024 onwards. He has a 39% approval rating.

 

[The Barbarian]

A liberal Colorado judges "Opinion" was given and nothing more

A legal finding by a court. It might be appealed, but so far, it's the legal finding. Trump engaged in an insurrection against the United States. The judge pointed out that the amendment's restriction on insurrectionists did not include the office of president. Ah, turns out Trump is appealing the decision:

Trump appeals Colorado ruling that said he engaged in January 6 insurrection​

Trump appeals Colorado ruling that said he engaged in January 6 insurrection

However, judge decided former president could not be disqualified from the presidential ballot under the 14th amendment clause

www.theguardian.com

Once again, your denial is false.

 

[The Barbarian]

There are southern states with high black populations and a lot of poverty. Thus more crime in some of them vs. their northern neighbors

Yes. The red states tend to be poor because they tend to be poorly governed. It's not surprising that they are also more criminal than blue states.

And yes, the border is de-facto open. When Trump left office, illegal border crossings were at 400,000. They are now at a record 2.4 million

An increase in apprehensions would demonstrate that the border is less open than it was previously. Do you know what "apprehension" means?

These northern states you point to that have relatively low crime are places like Indiana and the Dakotas, which are run by Republicans.

Actually, they are red states, and they have higher crime rates than similar blue states. The Dakotas are nine and ten in the list of states with the most violent crime.

Indiana, at 28th most violent, is one of the less criminal red states.

List of U.S. states and territories by violent crime rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As you learned, eight of the ten most violent states are red states, and eight of the ten least violent states are blue states. For reasons that are obvious.

meanwhile, people in liberal states are leaving, and moving to red states like Texas, Florida, and South Carolina. If taxes were horrible and regressive in those states (they are not--despite some nonsense by left-wing sites claiming otherwise), people wouldn't be moving there

Wealthy people are moving to red states precisely because the more regressive tax systems there favor the wealthy. However, that tends to bring other people there as well, which is why Texas is getting progressively bluer. (pun intended).

 

[Postvieww]

Note that Joe Biden had a stutter earlier in his life. He has largely overcome this speech impediment, but when I see him trip over his words in public, I remember that there is an actual disability involved -- one that does not affect his ability to make good political decisions.

Can we criticize some of President/Senator Biden's policies and actions? Sure. But his occasional difficulty in speaking is a different kind of issue.

This is not about Stuttering. A former White Doctor to both Obama and Trump said before his taking office Biden was impaired and it has only gotten worse. More and more from his own party are beginning to realize that fact.

 

[PloverWing]

This is not about Stuttering. A former White Doctor to both Obama and Trump said before his taking office Biden was impaired and it has only gotten worse. More and more from his own party are beginning to realize that fact.

Citation, please? When did he examine the president, what tests did he run, and what was his diagnosis?

 

[The Barbarian]

Citation, please? When did he examine the president, what tests did he run, and what was his diagnosis?

After Calling Joe Biden Senile, Republicans Complain He Outsmarted Them​

After Calling Joe Biden Senile, Republicans Complain He Outsmarted Them

Biden, 80, is the oldest person to serve as president of the U.S., and his age and alleged senility have been a constant focus of Republicans and r...

www.allsides.com

No one said they had to be consistent. You see, the GOP story is that Biden is senile and fiendishly clever.

 

[The Barbarian]

Although you must admit that Biden seems to have quite the issue with more complex movements, like walking up stairs...

I guess we could settle that by having a bike race. But good luck on getting Trump to balance on a bicycle um?

It's not clear that Trump's many weird beliefs are the result of dementia or just natural stupidity. But anyone over 10 years old who thinks you can stop a hurricane with an H-bomb has serious mental problems.

 

[Postvieww]

Yes. The red states tend to be poor because they tend to be poorly governed. It's not surprising that they are also more criminal than blue states.

Try looking at cities.

Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities in the United States (2025)

In this article, we will explore the top 10 most dangerous cities in America and the factors that contribute to their danger levels.

www.noradarealestate.com

Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities in America

• 1. Detroit, Michigan
• 2. Baltimore, Maryland
• 3. St. Louis, Missouri
• 4. Oakland, California
• 5. Memphis, Tennessee
• 6. Birmingham, Alabama
• 7. Cleveland, Ohio
• 8. New Orleans, Louisiana
• 9. Atlanta, Georgia
• 10. Chicago, Illinois

Detroit: Democrat Mayor
Baltimore: Democrat Mayor
St Louis: Democrat Mayor
Oakland: Democrat Mayor
Memphis: Democrat Mayor
Birmingham: Democrat Mayor

Cleveland: Nonpartisan Worked for Obama as Senator, Ran against 6 other Nonpartisans While Bibb won office in a nonpartisan election, media outlets reported that he is affiliated with the Democratic Party.[1][2

New Orleans: Democrat Mayor
Atlanta: Democrat Mayor
Chicago: Democrat Mayor

Do we see a pattern here? Talk about poorly governed!

 

[Postvieww]

You see, the GOP story is that Biden is senile and fiendishly clever.

He doesn't remember where he got all of that money! If he was really clever he wouldn't have got caught.

 

[Postvieww]

After Calling Joe Biden Senile, Republicans Complain He Outsmarted Them

Everyone knows he wears the mantle but doesn't drive the train.

 

[Postvieww]

Citation, please? When did he examine the president, what tests did he run, and what was his diagnosis?

Really? A trained Doctor can observe a problem that is obvious.

Even medically untrained Democrats can see a problem.