Anyone notice that many people are scientifically illiterate

[Astrid]

You could not make the claim that it is nonsense without knowing how I got there in my understanding. I would have to talk to you for several hours to give it all to you, and with your viewpoint on the gospel message it would likely be immediately rejected by you so what would be the point in trying to prove my viewpoint to you?

You dont want to hear a lot of YEC stuff. It'd probably just upset you. But I tell you one thing, if you want to know the truth about all of this, then read the book of truth. Not a book of truth, the book of truth, which is the Holy Bible.

Accusing me of lacking inlelluctual
honesty is not exactly cool, or justified
by any example.
Much as you have no examples to
support your earlier claim.
Trying to flip it back on me is not
exactly cool either.

I know the yec pov. Assuming I'm ignorant
isn't cool.

You here state that you know the "Truth".
Being of course your chosen interpretation
of a book about your chosen religion.

Lotta faith there, in yourself.

I've already made up my mind?
What about you, who proclaim you
have the Truth, from God?

You can prove nothing about earth history
from the bible. Even if it happened to be
correct. It's not proof.

The buble shows that the value of Pi is
3.0 if you take it as literally accurate.

I suppose Christian math and engineering
would have to be based on Pi =3.

Funny thing tho Christians, like everyone else,
cross check against outside info soutprces.

Oh Pi isn't 3.0! Stars cannot fall, the earth isn't flat,
all living things were not created in a few days, etc.

At least, the literate / educated know that every relevant fact / datum point is consistent with deep time and evolution. And the value of Pi and identity of stars.

Zero to,support yec.

Cross checking, looking at data is a terrif aid
to understanding.


As for mind made up, I am not one for absolutes,
"Truth". Especially not from " Authority" still less anything "revealed". And for good reason!

I do probabilities. And I expect it of myself that I can
accept when i am wrong. Can you?

Again, you describe me falsely.

Rather than follow your example, I will ask rather than
tell you.

Is your mind made up? Is it impossible that yec is
nonsense?

 

[Astrid]

And that is why I have not detailed it for you. You sound like you have already made u your mind.

Made up my mind about what?

 

[Divide]

Made up my mind about what?

Everything you said in your post which is just above this one. I told you you were already made up your mind. So why would I want to argue with you? Don't make sense.

 

[Astrid]

Everything you said in your post which is just above this one. I told you you were already made up your mind. So why would I want to argue with you? Don't make sense.

You appear to have zero reading comprehension or
self knowledge.

I explained that my mind is not "made up".

You are accusing me of your faults.

And " ha ha" just reveals your so evident incapacity to
deal with what i said.

 

[Divide]

Whatever you say.

 

[Astrid]

Good! Because I say it is impossible to
be yec, scientifically literate,
and intellectually honest .

Cannot be done.

If anyone can show me an exception,
I will ( unlike any known yec) readily agree
I am wrong.

 

[dlamberth]

I'm unable to go as far as calling YEC intellectually dishonest. But when there is absolute denial of what the Earth and the Cosmos are telling us about itself, I don't have to jump far to agree with the scientific ignorance argument. There just seems to be a disconnect there that I'm not at all understanding.

 

[rambot]

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There is too much money in science for it to be trusted, plus much of science is government funded.

I know you say that but I would guarantee if someone you loved got cancer, you'd take them to the doctor and then you'd hope they had a treatment and then you'd encourage that person to get that treatment.

Which inturn government is from satans kingdoms he possess.

Really? Cause I thought that governments were put in place by God and we were expected to be obidient to them.

 

[Divide]

I know you say that but I would guarantee if someone you loved got cancer, you'd take them to the doctor and then you'd hope they had a treatment and then you'd encourage that person to get that treatment.


Really? Cause I thought that governments were put in place by God and we were expected to be obidient to them.

They are but this is a fallen world. There's a real live war going on since Adam & Eve. So it's good to play it low profile and not make waves. But if something significant happens (happens every day latelly) then we cant expect people to go all Stockholm Syndrome and be blindly obediant to them. That's asking for trouble.

When an earthly Government wants you be obediant to them about something that is against God's law, then you don't have to obey that. We could use the Mark of the Beast as a good example. Scripture says, you better not be obediant to them about taking the mark....or you will die.

So being obediant is fine but is mostly just something we do during peace time. Each man would have to be the law of his own house if war to break out on our soil.

 

[Astrid]

I'm unable to go as far as calling YEC intellectually dishonest. But when there is absolute denial of what the Earth and the Cosmos are telling us about itself, I don't have to jump far to agree with the scientific ignorance argument. There just seems to be a disconnect there that I'm not at all understanding.

Please. I DID NOT SAY THAT EITHER.
it would be invidious, false and mean spirited
to say that.

Did you understand what I did say?

 

[rambot]

They are but this is a fallen world. There's a real live war going on since Adam & Eve. So it's good to play it low profile and not make waves. But if something significant happens (happens every day latelly) then we cant expect people to go all Stockholm Syndrome and be blindly obediant to them. That's asking for trouble.

When an earthly Government wants you be obediant to them about something that is against God's law, then you don't have to obey that. We could use the Mark of the Beast as a good example. Scripture says, you better not be obediant to them about taking the mark....or you will die.

So being obediant is fine but is mostly just something we do during peace time. Each man would have to be the law of his own house if war to break out on our soil.

Oh I see. So, when you think you don't need to be obidient to the government, you don't need to be? And I guess each individual person can make that decision? There isn't a government on this PLANET that submits to God's law. In the US you have one party that supports abortion, and another party that does nothing to support the down trodden and does not welcome aliens.

I also don't remember ANY such caveat at all being mentioned....

 

[Astrid]

They are but this is a fallen world. There's a real live war going on since Adam & Eve. So it's good to play it low profile and not make waves. But if something significant happens (happens every day latelly) then we cant expect people to go all Stockholm Syndrome and be blindly obediant to them. That's asking for trouble.

When an earthly Government wants you be obediant to them about something that is against God's law, then you don't have to obey that. We could use the Mark of the Beast as a good example. Scripture says, you better not be obediant to them about taking the mark....or you will die.

So being obediant is fine but is mostly just something we do during peace time. Each man would have to be the law of his own house if war to break out on our soil.

FWIW i got a beating and spent two days in jail last week,
for not being obedient to the govt of the ccp.

I don't think you and I are friends but celebrate with me
if you will, what we have in common.

 

[rambot]

You could not make the claim that it is nonsense without knowing how I got there in my understanding. I would have to talk to you for several hours to give it all to you, and with your viewpoint on the gospel message it would likely be immediately rejected by you so what would be the point in trying to prove my viewpoint to you?

You dont want to hear a lot of YEC stuff. It'd probably just upset you. But I tell you one thing, if you want to know the truth about all of this, then read the book of truth. Not a book of truth, the book of truth, which is the Holy Bible.

Protip:
If you can't explain a concept in less than 2 minutes, you really don't know the concept that well. Even Einstein found a way to explain relativity in under 15 seconds.

So when you suggest that it would take you "several hours" to explain the concept, that does NOT make your viewpoint stronger, it makes it weaker and suggests that either you don't know hte topic very well, or the topic requires befuddlement of the listener so as to not challenge the lack of evidence.

I UNDERSTAND YEC and don't need it explained to me. I want to see the physical evidence for YEC. Because the only evidence I've seen that exists for YEC requires one to completely discredit whole branches of science.

 

[d taylor]

I know you say that but I would guarantee if someone you loved got cancer, you'd take them to the doctor and then you'd hope they had a treatment and then you'd encourage that person to get that treatment.


Really? Cause I thought that governments were put in place by God and we were expected to be obidient to them.

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I will not comment on the doctor statement.

Why did satan offer them to Jesus for worship. Jesus rejected the offer, but satan again will offer the kingdoms of the world to a second person for worship. This person will accept satan's offer and rule the whole earth under a one world government, but only for a short time.

 

[Divide]

Oh I see. So, when you think you don't need to be obidient to the government, you don't need to be? And I guess each individual person can make that decision? There isn't a government on this PLANET that submits to God's law. In the US you have one party that supports abortion, and another party that does nothing to support the down trodden and does not welcome aliens.

I also don't remember ANY such caveat at all being mentioned....

The world is on the cusp of WWIII. And personal safety concerns often require one to disregard certain laws if one wants to stay alive. I'm not calling for anarchy. I have good tags and license and I dont rob stores or speed or anything so yes I'm geberally law abiding and that's a good thing.

And in the same way that Govt can be disobeyed if they ask something against God's law...
We can disobey that fine and without (spiritual) consequence, but it doesn't give a blank check for crime. We still cant disobey God's law either.

 

[Divide]

FWIW i got a beating and spent two days in jail last week,
for not being obedient to the govt of the ccp.

I don't think you and I are friends but celebrate with me
if you will, what we have in common.

What do you mean, celebrate with you? You got beat up. I havent been beat up by the police in the US yet, I always try to stay out of trouble. And so far so good.

 

[Astrid]

What do you mean, celebrate with you? You got beat up. I havent been beat up by the police in the US yet, I always try to stay out of trouble. And so far so good.

Standing up against govt for what's right v " stay out of
trouble". What would the boys of 1776 say.

They'd say " Stand", or maybe " give me liberty, or... "
It's known to some as " courage of convictions".

But I just knew youd come up with something belittling and negative. Silly me, gueessing maybe not. Won't happen again.

 

[Bradskii]

FWIW i got a beating and spent two days in jail last week,
for not being obedient to the govt of the ccp.

I don't think you and I are friends but celebrate with me
if you will, what we have in common.

So sorry to hear that. Hope you're ok.

 

[Astrid]

So sorry to hear that. Hope you're ok.

Bruises scrapes, black eye etc
but i'm ok.
I'm like 4' 11" and 90 some lbs,
very easy to beat up.

 

[dlamberth]

Please. I DID NOT SAY THAT EITHER.
it would be invidious, false and mean spirited
to say that.

Did you understand what I did say?

You may not of said it, but the thought is out there. I've heard it voiced occasionally be people bewilder by what they are hearing.

The point I was hoping to look at is the denial of what the Earth and Cosmos are showing us. Some, as we have even seen here, go so far as to say that what "science" is showing us about the Earth, it's long history for instance, that the scientist are sucked into and teaching a lie spawned by Satan. That's a pretty big disconnect that makes me consider the scientific ignorance argument as a valid perspective.