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We wouldn’t have the scriptures if it wasn’t for the church. It was the church that wrote the scriptures thru God’s divine inspiration. I know that you know the scriptures very well which means that you also know that Paul specifically stated that the church is the pillar of truth. So let’s not forget that passage of scripture either.
The church is built on the pillar of Truth, no doubt, God's Truth Psa 119:151 not mans.
In scripture it doesn't name a church, it just gives the characteristic of His Church and His people. Rev 14:12 Rev 12:17
What it doesn't say is the church is the Catholic church. Scripture tells us what Truth is (His Truth) and tells us the characteristics of His Church and how His people live- a quick comparison of what God says is His Church compared to churches claiming to be His church should be able to narrow down the field considerably. Dan 7:25, Rev 22:14 Rev 12:17
It’s certainly possible, I just wanted to show the evidence to support how far back the name Catholic actually goes.
No but you said a remnant existed from the beginning all the way up until now. We’re not talking about what the scriptures say since your statement was referring to the time after the scriptures were written. So what was the name of that church?
Advice that it is well to act upon; come out of her, my people! says the Lord.
No I’m not referring to the RCC I’m referring to the apostolic Catholic Church before the east west schism.
God described His church in scripture. People claim a lot of things, unless it matches God's Word, its just our words and thats not the same.
You skipped the question about the name of the remnant church.
You owe a great debt to the Catholic Church--no Catholic Church, no Bible. The truth that is that Catholics spread the Gospel during the Dark Ages. And so many Catholics translated Biblical text into the common languages of the people. After Latin surpassed Greek as to the common language of the people, the Latin Vulgate under the direction of Saint Jerome became by far the standard Bible. "Vulgate" comes from "vulgar" or "common," meaning the common language of the people. Eventually Latin morphed into various languages such as Italian, Spanish, and French, and then came more translations by Catholics. In England long before Wycliffe and Tyndale, there were many translations of Biblical text by Catholics. To mention just a few of them, Venerable Bede, a Catholic monk, is perhaps the best known for his translation in the 700s. King Alfred the Great had not finished his translation of Psalms before he died, that would have been in the 800s. Now a lot of Biblical texts by Catholics have been destroyed, remember Protestants in England seized Catholic monasteries and gave the land to wealthy Protestants. But some do exist, you can find some of Alfred’s translations in a manuscript dated as around 1050. These are in the English of the Saxons: The Illustrated Psalms of Alfred the Great: The Old English Paris Psalter When the Normans took over the English changed, the paraphrase of Orm is dated around 1150 and is an example of a Catholic translation into Middle English. The Catholic Church has strongly defended the Bible, and took action over the centuries to prevent those who would add or subtract from the Word of God. Catholics had to flee England at one time in order to publish an English version (the Douay Rheims, they did so in France and suffered severe consequences for trying to smuggle English Bibles to the people of England. Eventually a Catholic named Gutenberg introduced the printing press, and, of course, the first book he printed was the Bible.
No, we owe a great deal to God to have His Word.
The numerous Catholic translations of the Bible are a matter of historical record. You simply need to look for yourself rather than fall for religious propaganda. You can examine many translations online, and for those that have been destroyed you can read the references. Obviously the Holy Spirit was working through the Catholic Church.
I have studied it and do not come up with the same conclusions you have, sadly people had death threats and some lost their lives trying to get the Bible out to the masses and millions of Christians killed over their religious beliefs in Rome, so while some have covered up history, not everyone forgets.
The existence of the Bibles, translated by so many Catholics, is a matter of the historical record. The persecution of Catholics, starting with Saint Peter, has gone on into modern times. Many Catholics lost their lives trying to preach the Gospel. There really has been a cover-up in history, here in the U.S. about the KKK persecution of Catholics, and about the depths of the Protestant persecution of Catholics in Ireland. Few people know that, for example, in Dachau, of the 2,720 clerics held about 95% were Catholics. Twice I have been in foreign countries when they have celebrated Guy Fawkes day, celebrating the killing of a Catholic. I do not forget, but I forgive. This religious hatred persists among religions, Jesus did not separate the wheat from the tares.
