Israel-Hamas Thread II

[Bradskii]

And video evidence shows that Hamas and purposely exposing children to danger ?

Irrelevant to the question that was asked. If you don't want to answer it then don't. I really don't care. Zero response tells me what I need to know. But saying 'Gee, isn't Hamas terrible' doesn't alter the question in any way. It's not a reason for not answering. Although it's certainly a reason why you might say 'yes, I accept those figures'.

But who would dare say such a monstrous thing?

 

[civilwarbuff]

You are most definitely arguing the numbers. You've done nothing but cast doubt on the ones given by the Ministry of Health as soon as they were posted. Please don't try to kid anyone that your only interest is numerical accuracy for the sake of accuracy.

I am arguing for VALIDATION of the numbers; I can't believe that you would believe that something like that is unimportant. Let me ask a very simple question: Do YOU trust Hamas? Please just try to give a direct answer to that question.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Irrelevant to the question that was asked. If you don't want to answer it then don't. I really don't care. Zero response tells me what I need to know. But saying 'Gee, isn't Hamas terrible' doesn't alter the question in any way. It's not a reason for not answering. Although it's certainly a reason why you might say 'yes, I accept those figures'.

But who would dare say such a monstrous thing?

I don't believe the figures Hamas give can be trusted.

I also note that in answer to your question, Sodom was wiped out by God - plenty of children there - so God thought it was justified.

 

[truthpls]

And scripture tells you God is finished with Israel because they rejected Jesus?

They rejected all gods since most claim no belief. But God is not finished with them. He has a whole seven years set aside to deal with them good and proper and bring them to a place of repentance

 

[civilwarbuff]

No need for opinion, the bible tells us what happens to Israel in the end, and when they will be saved and when He again will be their God and protect them etc.

Oh, and here I thought you said Israel was "unbelieving".

 

[civilwarbuff]

They rejected all gods since most claim no belief.

Wow, wonder how the synagogues and rabbi's survived then.......And please try to not get the past confused with the presence: "They rejected (past tense) all gods since most claim (present tense) no belief." The English language CAN be confusing.....

 

[Bradskii]

I am arguing for VALIDATION of the numbers; I can't believe that you would believe that something like that is unimportant. Let me ask a very simple question: Do YOU trust Hamas? Please just try to give a direct answer to that question.

No, but for all the reasons I previously gave, plus the links I made available, the figures issued by the Ministry of Health are considered resonably accurate. The question then becomes, is the death of 4,000 children the price you think is one that's required to be paid.

 

[Bradskii]

I don't believe the figures Hamas give can be trusted.

Me too. That is why, for all the reasons previously given, I am using ones supplied by the Ministry of Health. As such, the question remains.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Me too. That is why, for all the reasons previously given, I am using ones supplied by the Ministry of Health. As such, the question remains.

OK so you don't think Hamas dictates to the Ministry of Health, even when you see camera footage showing Hamas escorting hostages through the corridors of the hospital ?

 

[rjs330]

We? I do not consider collective punishment to be 'war'. Try fighting adults rather than blowing up kids

As I said apples and oranges.

 

[civilwarbuff]

The question then becomes, is the death of 4,000 children the price you think is one that's required to be paid.

That's a question better left to the Gazans; after all THEY are the ones who elected and supported Hamas not Israel......sow the wind, reap the whirlwind comes home to roost.......

 

[Bradskii]

OK so you don't think Hamas dictates to the Ministry of Health, even when you see camera footage showing Hamas escorting hostages through the corridors of the hospital ?

How many times do I have to say this? I have already given quotes and links to illustrate the validity or not of the figures issued by the M of H. What Hamas is, has or will do is not of any concern in this regard. Do some investigation yourself for heaven's sake. Read those links and dispute them if you have reasonable cause so to do.

 

[Bradskii]

That's a question better left to the Gazans; after all THEY are the ones who elected and supported Hamas not Israel......sow the wind, reap the whirlwind comes home to roost.......

I'm not asking them. I'm asking you what you would deem to be acceptable. Base it on any figures you like.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I'm not asking them. I'm asking you what you would deem to be acceptable. Base it on any figures you like.

It is not on us; it is on the Gazans and no one else. They chose their horse, now it seems they get ride it to the end.

 

[truthpls]

Oh, and here I thought you said Israel was "unbelieving".

It is now. The less than one third of them left at the end of the seven years will get saved.

 

[truthpls]

Wow, wonder how the synagogues and rabbi's survived then.......And please try to not get the past confused with the presence: "They rejected (past tense) all gods since most claim (present tense) no belief." The English language CAN be confusing.....

There are religious Jews of course. Look up the percentages, that is still quite a minority. They also do not believe in their Messiah, so it changes nothing as far as God allowing them to go through the years of tribulation to come.

 

[truthpls]

As I said apples and oranges.

No, children are not fruit. Nor should they be targeted by bombs indiscriminately. Hamas called their terrorism and civilian killing war also. Not all of us were born yesterday to believe that though.

 

[Bradskii]

It is not on us; it is on the Gazans and no one else. They chose their horse, now it seems they get ride it to the end.

You seem to think that the reported deaths are acceptable. I guess that's the only response available. It's the only conclusion I can make.

 

[Carl Emerson]

How many times do I have to say this? I have already given quotes and links to illustrate the validity or not of the figures issued by the M of H. What Hamas is, has or will do is not of any concern in this regard. Do some investigation yourself for heaven's sake. Read those links and dispute them if you have reasonable cause so to do.

You are denying the possibility of the figures being inflated by Hamas's influence ?

Lying, while common in most cultures, is much more acceptable outside of the domain of cultures which have a Judeo-Christian foundation.

 

[Pommer]

Yes Hamas firing on Israeli troops from residential areas, schools and hospitals are responsible, totally. The consequences for their actions are clear. It's their fault and their responsibility alone.

It’s not like they have oodles of land for a military complex, things are tight in the Gaza Strip, a piece of land about a quarter of the size of the City of Los Angeles.