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What is pulling America Apart?

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From my understanding, the NSA has a list of certain keywords or phrases that will trigger a recording of a said person who set the keyword or phrase in motion. Then a monitor can read the transcript of the conversation, text, or chat chain that triggered the recording program.

No, that's not how it works. NSA's different systems record everything (within technological capabilities). If you wait on a key word to be spoken before you start recording, you've missed it. And it's not as though the bad guys are going to say anything obvious.

"List of certain keywords or phrases" is an extremely elementary way of describing what are extremely detailed and intricate queries against all that collected data. And understand, all the pertinent data isn't necessarily the words spoken. Other criteria would include, for instance, network routing, times of day, lengths of calls, voice analysis, et cetera. It might be a certain word or name that has been spoken in certain contexts in earlier communications (another reason to record everything)...that's how keywords are developed.

That data might be combined or compared with concurrent information, such as other communications, changes in total communications of a certain type, or even non-communication data like aircraft or vehicle movements (such as the famous "above average number of pizza deliveries during graveyard shift at the Pentagon"). There are hundreds of criteria beyond keywords.

When I was involved, even back in the ancient 80s and 90s, I took what amounted to a college course in writing the "seed" queries. A seed query might be several single-spaced pages of typing. Even back then, we were experimenting with simple AI systems that would take our seed queries and extend them to areas we hadn't considered and bring back surprising results. For instance, we might write a query to locate certain terrorist activity in a suspected area, and the AI would come back with results for that same terrorist group operating in a totally different area we didn't even suspect. We'd look at the AI's rewrite our manual query and see that it had tripled in size.

Maybe I have been misinformed but I have been led to believe that there are buildings full of people whose sole job is to listen to people's conversations, read their texts, or track their movements on the World Wide Web.

There's just too much data for aimless browsing. There are billions of texts and calls every day. It's got to be weeded through by automated systems. When an analyst comes on shift, the system will have its results for the day waiting. There are certainly, however, high-priority queries that will immediately alert analysts when the pre-determined conditions were met. When some event happens, such as the Hamas attack, you (or rather, the automated system) takes that "ground truth" and goes back through all the previous recordings to make comparisons and create new "keywords" that might help track down who was who involved in the attack. Someone who was merely a low-level clerk in this attack may rise to be a leader in the next attack...that kind of thing can be tracked if you already know that clerk's name.

When Osama bin Laden was killed, I considered it a big mistake to make that immediate public announcement. That was for the political optics. The better action for intelligence purposes would have been to say nothing and see how the communications changed...who talked about it, who suddenly stopped talking, who got frantic, and who seemed to be oblivious to it.

I was also alarmed at the emails that had been leaked by Hillary Clinton's stupid private server stunt. Even if an email was itself unclassified, or if the information in that email was perishable and would be useless later, the "CC" lists of the emails revealed the identities of relatively junior members of the permanent bureaucracy and confirmed their positions in government. Years from, when those names crop up again in other communications gathered by our enemies, those names will prove the bona fides of those future communications. That's how we tracked down Osa bin Laden. This is intelligence analysis 101.

From what I understand they need a warrant to make a case stick in Federal court but they can detain and question anyone anywhere for an undetermined amount of time. provided they are taken out of the USA and not sent to any NATO nation.

No. As I said, a query that will result in personal identification of "US persons" must be warranted by a federal judge before that query can be run. They can run queries that narrow down to just that point without a warrant. Remember, though, that tracking US persons is not the mission of the NSA. Believe it or not, there are real foreign enemies of the US out there, lots of them, that NSA is striving to track down.
 
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Gain is one thing, but gain at the expense of another is something totally different. That is what is behind the troubles of this world. Self interest does not often consider the well being of others.
 
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It doesn't matter if it's 2 billion or 4 billion.

The point is it's a money maker.

And while it's cute that you want to say that menopausal women are the majority of the market....imagine if you got those menopausal women on the drugs when they were 10!

Because your menopausal women might be taking this stuff for 20-25 years....but your 10yo "trans" kid will take it for the next 40-50 years till their heart explodes.

That's 2-2.5 times as long as the menopausal women. Cha-ching!
Half the population is continuously aging into menopause but you chink the big Cha Ching is a small percentage of lifetime users? OK…
 
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Half the population is continuously aging into menopause but you chink the big Cha Ching is a small percentage of lifetime users? OK…
Keeps petty cash stocked up to buy politicians
 
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Half the population is continuously aging into menopause but you chink the big Cha Ching is a small percentage of lifetime users? OK…

It's a growing percentage every year...

I understand that you don't think like a business, but a big part of growing profits is growing your consumer base. This is hard to do with medications since they tend to be limited in what they treat.
 
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It doesn't matter if it's 2 billion or 4 billion.

The point is it's a money maker.

And while it's cute that you want to say that menopausal women are the majority of the market....imagine if you got those menopausal women on the drugs when they were 10!

Because your menopausal women might be taking this stuff for 20-25 years....but your 10yo "trans" kid will take it for the next 40-50 years till their heart explodes.

That's 2-2.5 times as long as the menopausal women. Cha-ching!
Holy conspiracy-theory Batman!
Those crafty capitalists making tons of money off of the less than two million transgender people.
Sure.
 
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Money is just the icing on the cake. This is about population control while at the same time harvesting innocent children into homosexuality without ever laying a hand on them. This is evil on a scale unfathomable.
All this being done while red herrings abound to keep the masses preoccupied with distractions real and imagined. Division is a smokescreen for their insidious plans.
 
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Money is just the icing on the cake. This is about population control while at the same time harvesting innocent children into homosexuality without ever laying a hand on them. This is evil on a scale unfathomable.
All this being done while red herrings abound to keep the masses preoccupied with distractions real and imagined. Division is a smokescreen for their insidious plans.
Someone is supplying menopausal women with medication so we won't notice them harvesting children?
 
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Someone is supplying menopausal women with medication so we won't notice them harvesting children?
Apparently not. Over 85,000 innocent children harvested over the Rio Grande and nary a peep.
 
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Apparently not. Over 85,000 innocent children harvested over the Rio Grande and nary a peep.
So, nothing at all to do with big pharma. Well, that's a relief. I don't have to give a peep.
 
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Someone is supplying menopausal women with medication so we won't notice them harvesting children?

Hrt therapy is something done for the treatment of a lot of conditions. Technically, taking thyroid medication is a type of "hormone replacement therapy". Testosterone is only given out for a few rather rare conditions though. Hypogonadism for example is a condition legitimately treated with testosterone. Maybe 10 years ago....they started offering testosterone to men for a range of things that occur when men age and their testosterone levels drop....like fatigue, erectile dysfunction, loss of muscle mass, etc. It was prescribed to men as your basic "cure all" medication. I had coworkers getting it just for the benefits....they weren't even suffering anything unusual. When one recommended it to me and I expressed concern about the long term effects, he laughed off my point by stating that it's a natural hormone and therefore 100% safe. I told him that I couldn't find any long term studies and that his body naturally declines in testosterone production over time and even though he's not big on evolution I tried to explain that if it was a big advantage to have high testosterone into older ages we probably would have higher testosterone into old age....we would naturally. He wasn't hearing it though....but he stopped around a year later when it was revealed that testosterone increased chances of serious heart issues like cardiac arrest, heart attacks/arythmia, and other issues by 40-60%. Between loss of probably hundreds of thousands if not millions of customers....pharmaceutical companies that wasted money developing about 5 ways to deliver testosterone to the bloodstream....not to mention the lawsuits by patients with heart disease or who had survived heart attacks. It was a bad situation for big pharmaceutical who bet on getting a lot of men on testosterone.

Fortunately, Obama had included "transgender medicine" as something covered in Obama care and even though the FDA hasn't approved HRT for trans youth (perhaps not even for trans adults) because there's literally no studies on the long term effects (and in the case of children, never will be any well done studies since it's illegal to test medicine on children who aren't facing any serious medical issues) big pharma suddenly had a great opportunity for creating a new market for testosterone specifically.

And if you believe in magic and coincidence....then the fact that the US went from 1 transgender care clinic to hundreds in a space of a few years and adopted a method of care that involved giving anyone claiming to be trans HRT and untested puberty blockers (previously used only in rare cases of precocious puberty and to chemically castrate pedophiles....already small markets) because they simply wanted them....must seem like a purely magical coincidence to you.

Suddenly, more girls than ever were claiming to be trans....reversing decades of research on the phenomenon. How fortunate that these new markets for testosterone and puberty blockers opened up right around the time the US government and secretary of education as well as the largest teacher's union all suddenly concluded it was important to teach these bizarre gender theory concepts to children in kindergarten and support their choices to make lifelong, irreversible changes to their bodies natural development...by secretly encouraging these changes often without the knowledge of their parents.

So while estrogen and thyroid certainly have bigger markets in adult women (the kind that were born women, not the ones that choose to be and demand everyone else play pretend) the markets for drugs like testosterone and puberty blockers were actually rather small and unlikely to grow....unless the government and education system helped them grow their markets.

Now that you and any other posters reading this have been properly educated....reflect on my initial point about the average voter being clueless to what they're supporting and why.

I'm not saying it applies to this topic....but I'm not saying it doesn't either.
 
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I focus on the tie that binds these different agencies/institutions to commit the same sin against innocent children. Freemasonry. This is beyond just greed. I've known many greedy people who didn't stoop to this level of depravity.
 
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Money is just the icing on the cake. This is about population control while at the same time harvesting innocent children into homosexuality without ever laying a hand on them. This is evil on a scale unfathomable.
All this being done while red herrings abound to keep the masses preoccupied with distractions real and imagined. Division is a smokescreen for their insidious plans.
What in the word does the highlighted portion mean? Harvesting little children into homosexuality? What?
 
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What in the word does the highlighted portion mean? Harvesting little children into homosexuality? What?
Transgender is just a cover to lure kids into brainwashing them into a sexuality "norm" that isn't normal at all.
 
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