Why is earth's AGE important to you?

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SECOND COMING PASSAGES REQUIRE FIRST CENTURY FULFILLMENT

In contrast to what is popularly taught in many churches today, the New Testament scriptures maintain that the “coming of the Lord” or “the second coming” was imminent to first century peoples. The second coming (AD 67-70) includes the end of the age, the judgment, resurrection (pass from death to life), establishment of the Kingdom of God, etc. This has far-reaching implications for believers, namely, the need to realize what we presently enjoy in Christ, and not be waiting for that which we already possess—God With Us. (This list is not exhaustive.)

Now in my response to you last, I was attempting to explain the meaning of such passages in Is 65:20-23 and Is 66:21-23. What I have come to understand is that I don't know my own worldview that much or have studied it. I lean toward a partial preterist view. There is a way to explain "the new heavens and the new earth" in such way as to concede it refers to the inauguration of the church and still have an eschatology. The issue with full preterism or hyper preterism is it has no eschatoloy; this debate is much more, it is a world and life view debate. I maintain that we are in "the new heavens and the new earth" because as you say the kingdom of God is established and it has "far-reaching implications for believers". The kingdom of God will continue to grow and mature and when it is ripe that's when the resurrection from the dead happens, the Lord returns, the dead are raised and it will be the culmination of the process of making the heavens and new earth.

 

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Now in my response to you last, I was attempting to explain the meaning of such passages in Is 65:20-23 and Is 66:21-23. What I have come to understand is that I don't know my own worldview that much or have studied it. I lean toward a partial preterist view. There is a way to explain "the new heavens and the new earth" in such way as to concede it refers to the inauguration of the church and still have an eschatology. The issue with full preterism or hyper preterism is it has no eschatoloy; this debate is much more, it is a world and life view debate. I maintain that we are in "the new heavens and the new earth" because as you say the kingdom of God is established and it has "far-reaching implications for believers". The kingdom of God will continue to grow and mature and when it is ripe that's when the resurrection from the dead happens, the Lord returns, the dead are raised and it will be the culmination of the process of making the heavens and new earth.

Now in my response to you last, I was attempting to explain the meaning of such passages in Is 65:20-23 and Is 66:21-23. What I have come to understand is that I don't know my own worldview that much or have studied it. I lean toward a partial preterist view. There is a way to explain "the new heavens and the new earth" in such way as to concede it refers to the inauguration of the church and still have an eschatology. The issue with full preterism or hyper preterism is it has no eschatoloy; this debate is much more, it is a world and life view debate. I maintain that we are in "the new heavens and the new earth" because as you say the kingdom of God is established and it has "far-reaching implications for believers". The kingdom of God will continue to grow and mature and when it is ripe that's when the resurrection from the dead happens, the Lord returns, the dead are raised and it will be the culmination of the process of making the heavens and new earth.

Nope futurism and physical resurrection has caused nothing but confusion and false hopes. I wonder if after 3,000 years have passed since the ascension of Jesus the church will come to its senses and reevaluate their failed eschatologies and realize that all was fulfilled in the generation Jesus was addressing. Daniel 12:7 gives us the precise time of the resurrection, it occurs at the Parousia (Presence of Christ, not Coming of Christ), the passing away of the Law (Old Heaven and Old Earth, literally by its own complete fulfillment), the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 Hebrews 9:28 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16. It is now impossible to raise the Mosaic Covenant and re-enact the greatest historical event the world has ever seen. The way into Heaven remained closed while the Old Covenant remained unfulfilled and the Temple still standing Matthew 5:17-18, Hebrews 9:8, Revelation 15:8 likewise when High Priest entered the Holiest of Holies beyond the veil he had to also exit tabernacle in order pronounce the Blessing and forgiveness of tribes of Israel which also served as a shadow and type of A.D.70 Parousia of Christ Leviticus 9:22-24 & Hebrews 9:11-25, 28. Holiest of Holies beyond the veil is of course a type and shadow of Heaven itself, the Kingdom of God, Hebrews 9:24. What is the hope of the church? To enter beyond the veil... enter Heaven itself, whom Jesus served as our forerunner! Hebrews 6:18-20, 11:10,16, 12:28; 1 Corinthians 15:50; 2 Corinthians 5:1; Matthew 22:30; Luke 17:20-21, John 18:36. Not resurrected bodies on a Edenic Earth.

 

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Why is the age of the earth an important matter to you (if it is)?

What is the most important thing that knowing the age of the earth will tell you?

It tells me if Yahova is a lying figment of somme other jerks mind or is His Word Truth.

 

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Daniel 12:7 gives us the precise time of the resurrection, it occurs at the Parousia (Presence of Christ, not Coming of Christ), the passing away of the Law (Old Heaven and Old Earth, literally by its own complete fulfillment), the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 Hebrews 9:28 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

No, I don't think that's right. The new heavens and earth is in the inauguration of the church. That's what those passages in Isaiah were about the church when it mentioned the new heavens and earth.

It is now impossible to raise the Mosaic Covenant and re-enact the greatest historical event the world has ever seen.

Great point, but again this event did not mark the start of the new earth; it starts with God's people, not the judgment of a nation. Jesus came to fulfill the law not destroy it and is it not made any more clear when he shouts, it is finished? as he hung from the cross and the veil of the temple was torn from top to bottom. It was the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost as seen in Acts 2 that the church age begins. The man literally split time. It was at that moment things changed from B.C. to A.D. and the saints were already gathering on Sunday the first day of the week. The new Sabbath is the testimony of the new creation of the new heavens and the new earth- the Lord's day.

 

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No, I don't think that's right. The new heavens and earth is in the inauguration of the church. That's what those passages in Isaiah were about the church when it mentioned the new heavens and earth.

Great point, but again this event did not mark the start of the new earth; it starts with God's people, not the judgment of a nation. Jesus came to fulfill the law not destroy it and is it not made any more clear when he shouts, it is finished? as he hung from the cross and the veil of the temple was torn from top to bottom. It was the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost as seen in Acts 2 that the church age begins. The man literally split time. It was at that moment things changed from B.C. to A.D. and the saints were already gathering on Sunday the first day of the week. The new Sabbath is the testimony of the new creation of the new heavens and the new earth- the Lord's day.

You truly lack a understanding of what Jesus said in Matthew 5:18!

The work of Christ on the cross initiated a number of events that had to take place for the Old Covenant to be completed. The entire law needed to be fulfilled to be fully replaced by the New Covenant. Mt. 5:18. Otherwise, the Law of Moses is still in effect!

1. RESURRECTION: Christ’s resurrection had not been fulfilled “at the cross”. Is. 53:10-14
FULFILLED: Three days later. Mt. 28:1-7

2. HOLY SPIRIT: Coming of the Holy Spirit foretold by Joel. 2:28-30 was future to “the cross”.
FULFILLED: At Pentecost, fifty days after the resurrection Acts. 2.

3. GENTILES: Calling of Gentiles foretold in Isa. 49:6 was future to “the cross.” FULFILLED: After the gospel had gone out to the Jews—perhaps around 7 years after the cross.

4. GOSPEL: Gospel going to “the ends of the earth” was future to “the cross.” Isa 45:22
FULFILLED: Paul affirmed this had occurred in Col 1:5-6, 23.*

5. ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION: The abomination of Desolation foretold in Dan. 12:11 was future to “the cross”.
FULFILLED: When temple officials changed the Mosaic Law disallowing gentile worship of Yahweh and began using the temple as a center for war-making (AD 66).

6. SACRIFICES: The doing away of the daily sacrifices in the temple, foretold in Dan. 11:31 was future to “the cross”.
FULFILLED: Temple Sacrifices for Gentiles stopped in AD 66. Sacrifices for Jews ceased in AD 70.

7. OLD COVENANT: Power of the old covenant people to be completely shattered was future to “the cross”. Dan. 12:7
FULFILLED: AD 70 with the destruction of Jerusalem and temple in the Roman/Jewish war.

8. TEMPLE/JERUSALEM DESTROYED: Jerusalem and the temple to be destroyed at the time of the abomination of desolation as foretold Dan. 9:24-27.
FULFILLED: by AD 70 with the end of the Roman/Jewish war.

9. MESSIAH: The Messiah being set up as a banner to the nations, gathering the dispersed of Israel, foretold in Isa. 11:12.
FULFILLED: When Paul’s mission to the Gentiles was done. Romans 11:5*

10. DEATH DESTROYED: Death of Adam (spiritual death) swallowed up, as foretold in Isa. 25:8, referenced in I Cor 15:54.
FULFILLED: at the end of Old Covenant Israel, the full consummation of the New in AD 70. Heb 9:8-9

11. RESURRECTION: Resurrection of Old Covenant saints, foretold Ezk. 37:2-16, Dan.12:2-3. was future to “the cross”.
FULFILLED: AD 70 when the “outer tent” was destroyed which brought about “the reformation”. Heb 9:8-9

12. WAR: The catastrophic War ending the Old Covenant, Dan. 9:26, and reiterated by Jesus, Mt. 24:14, was future to “the cross.”
FULFILLED: History tells us the entire Old Testament cultus was destroyed by AD 70.


*Jesus promised the gospel would go into all the world (oikoumene).
In Romans 10:18 Paul stated that the gospel had gone (past tense) into all the world (oikoumene).
In Mark 16:15 Jesus prophesied that the gospel would go into all the world (kosmos).
In Colossians 1:6 Paul wrote that the gospel went (past tense) into all the world (kosmos).
In Mark 16:15 Jesus said the gospel would be preached to all creation (ktisis).
In Colossians 1:23 Paul said the gospel had been (past tense) preached in all creation, (ktisis).
In Matthew 28:19 Jesus told the apostles to teach all nations (ethnos).
In Romans 16:26 Paul declared that the gospel was made known (past tense) to all the nations (ethnos).
In Acts 1:8 Jesus sent them to preach the gospel into all the world, (ge).
In Romans 10:18 Paul says the gospel was heard (past tense) in all the world (ge).

 

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You truly lack a understanding of what Jesus said in Matthew 5:18!

I don't need to be a scholar to know that not all has been fulfilled yet. Do we stop praying that his kingdom come, on earth as it is in heaven (Mt 6:10)?

The work of Christ on the cross initiated a number of events that had to take place for the Old Covenant to be completed. The entire law needed to be fulfilled to be fully replaced by the New Covenant. Mt. 5:18. Otherwise, the Law of Moses is still in effect!

Hmm, so you keep reminding me of the words in Mt 5:18 as not to overlook, yet you say the law needed to be fully replaced? I thought the language was it needed to be fulfilled in Christ not replaced. Besides, how is it that the law was fulfilled partially at Christ's crucifixion but not fully? Either it is fulfilled or it isn't. The way I see it is that Christ's death, burial and resurrection is his work of salvation, and his ascension and outpouring of the Holy Spirit 10 days later is the result, the new world being conceived. What happened in A.D. 70 happened in the new world and demonstrates only the beginning of church history. There is still a process of church history that will culminate in the transformation of the new world.

*Jesus promised the gospel would go into all the world (oikoumene).

In Romans 10:18 Paul says the gospel was heard (past tense) in all the world (ge).

And yet the church is still commissioned to preach the gospel. Why? because there is more people that come and go and the population has increased since then. The message is able to go out into all the world because we have the complete revelation of God's Word.

 

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1. I don't need to be a scholar to know that not all has been fulfilled yet. Do we stop praying that his kingdom come, on earth as it is in heaven (Mt 6:10)?

2. Hmm, so you keep reminding me of the words in Mt 5:18 as not to overlook, yet you say the law needed to be fully replaced? I thought the language was it needed to be fulfilled in Christ not replaced. Besides, how is it that the law was fulfilled partially at Christ's crucifixion but not fully? Either it is fulfilled or it isn't. The way I see it is that Christ's death, burial and resurrection is his work of salvation, and his ascension and outpouring of the Holy Spirit 10 days later is the result, the new world being conceived. What happened in A.D. 70 happened in the new world and demonstrates only the beginning of church history. There is still a process of church history that will culminate in the transformation of the new world.



3. And yet the church is still commissioned to preach the gospel. Why? because there is more people that come and go and the population has increased since then. The message is able to go out into all the world because we have the complete revelation of God's Word.

1. Yes, these words were spoken before Jesus ascension and coronation. But we should always pray God's been done on earth as it is in Heaven regardless.

2. How were the Law and The Prophets fulfilled in the death of Jesus on the Cross. Did Israel receive her hope in the death of Jesus? How many prophecies and promises did Jesus fulfill alone with his death, resurrection, and ascension????? What about Deuteronomy 32 (Song of Moses is prophecy) Isaiah 65:1-16, 66:1-20, Daniel 9:24-27, 12:1-7, etc. Not one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law (and the prophets) till all is fulfilled (Mosaic Covenant). So, by that definition, futurists are still living under the Law and need to convert to Judaism to be saved. See between the death of Jesus and the destruction of Jerusalem there was a transitional period where God still needed to fulfill ALL prophecy and ALL promises to Israel (Hebrews 8:13). In fact, the gates of heaven still remained completely shut until the completion of the Mosaic Covenant of its prophecies and promises to Jews (and Gentiles) which is our spiritual Resurrection. Hebrews 9:8, Revelation 15:8, Hebrews 6:18-20, it is during A.D. 70 Parousia of Jesus when Heaven finally opened up its gates and Jesus raptured the souls from Hadean Paradise and Hades for the Great White Throne of Judgment while simultaneously judging Israel for the full measure of her sins and avenging the death of martyrs she slain since Abel and the complete passing away of the Law and the Prophets, the end of the Mosaic age under the Law. 1 Thessalonians 4:16, Hebrews 9:28, Revelation 20:11-15.

3. Of course, but Gospel was preached throughout the whole world because the Greek word for "world" has multiple meanings such as region(s), country(ies), nation(s), land, etc and not globally as we know the English word today but such as being inclusive to meaning the whole of Asia Minor or the Roman Empire itself.

 

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Bible prophecy has never been not so tightly fitted together than with Full Preterism. Many futurist eschatologies resemble confusing child scribblings by comparison especially this Rapture business whereby God removes the physical church by literally translating flesh and blood into His Kingdom of Heaven the city prepared before the world was created but also He removes His Holy Spirit than who could ever be saved during this "Great Tribulation"? No one! But not only does God translate His living church into Heaven and saves all of Israel without the benefit of the Holy Spirit but seven or three and half years later He completely empties Heaven of all His saved and plants them back on the Earth to live as immortal gods forever. The Rapture is a terrible lie, a thoroughly false doctrine.

The Restrainer is not the Holy Spirit but Claudius Caesar and a Religio licita law whom reigned during and was contemporary of Thessalonians whom the letter was written to. Thessalonians knew who the Restrainer was and Paul discussed him with the church and warned them beware when he taken out of the way (murdered) the Man of Sin, Son of Perdition will be revealed - Nero Caesar. And that the Day of the Lord would not precede the Man of Sin. Paul didn't name him directly because a copy of the letter could fall into Roman or Judaizer hands bringing the law to bear down upon them with being charged with sedition. Paul wisely masked Claudius Caesar in letter but obviously not in word by simply calling him the Restrainer because he introduced a law, the Alexandrian Decree, issued throughout the Empire that restrained the Judaizers from persecuting the new born church.

 

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Hebrews 9:8, Revelation 15:8, Hebrews 6:18-20, it is during A.D. 70 Parousia of Jesus when Heaven finally opened up its gates and Jesus raptured the souls from Hadean Paradise and Hades for the Great White Throne of Judgment while simultaneously judging Israel for the full measure of her sins and avenging the death of martyrs she slain since Abel and the complete passing away of the Law and the Prophets, the end of the Mosaic age under the Law. 1 Thessalonians 4:16, Hebrews 9:28, Revelation 20:11-15.

it is during A.D. 70 Parousia of Jesus when Heaven finally opened up its gates and Jesus raptured the souls from Hadean Paradise

and the complete passing away of the Law and the Prophets, the end of the Mosaic age under the Law.

The passing away of the Law and Prophets? Am I the one who misreads Mt 5:18? Is Jesus saying in these words that his law will pass away? Even if heaven and earth were to pass away his word stands forever. For the unbeliever, the law only serves to condemn and that is being "under the law." Christ is the substance of the ceremonial law and the moral code still applies today, even to some extent the civil code, if the general rule applies to modern states. The Mosaic age is done, but the Law and the Prophets is God's Word (Mt 5:17).

 

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REMARKABLE COINCIDENCES OF BIBLE PROPHECY AND FIRST CENTURY EVENTS

1. PROPHECY: Jerusalem was identified as the Great City slated for soon destruction. (Rev. 11:8, 18:10)*
COINCIDENCE: Jerusalem was captured and destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD.

2. PROPHECY: In approximately AD 30, Jesus warned the people to leave Judea when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies. Lk. 21:22
COINCIDENCE: Jerusalem was surrounded by the Syrian Roman legion in AD 66 which inexplicably withdrew after less than a week. This gave the people who believed Jesus, time to get out of the city before the war started in earnest a few months later.
Josephus reported that after this showing of the Syrian Roman legion, “…Jews swam away from the city, as from a ship when it was going to sink.” (Josephus, Wars 2:20:1)

3. PROPHECY: Jesus said that Jerusalem’s enemies would cast up a bank, surround her and hem her in on every side. Luke 19:43
COINCIDENCE: Roman General Titus raised banks and encompassed the entire city of Jerusalem with a wall and “all hope of escaping was cut off.” (Josephus, Wars 5:12:3)

4. PROPHECY: Jesus said Jerusalem would be trodden down by the Gentiles and the people killed and taken into slavery. Luke 21:31
COINCIDENCE: Josephus, Jewish historian, describes the slaughter and slavery of the Jews in the Roman conquest in Wars book 6.

5. PROPHECY: 3 ½ years were prophesied for the ceasing of sacrifices, shattering of the power of the holy people, and trampling by the Gentiles (Dan. 9:27, 12:7, 12:11, Rev. 11:2).
COINCIDENCE: From the beginning of Rome’s effort to put down the Jewish revolt, to the destruction of the Temple, was 3 ½ years (spring 67 to fall 70 AD). This ended the Old Covenant.

6. PROPHECY: Jesus said the gospel of the kingdom would be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end would come. (Matt. 24:14).
COINCIDENCE: Paul said that the gospel had been preached to the whole world (Col 1:3, Col. 1:23) by the time of his writing Colossians in 60’s AD. The destruction of the temple ended the Old Covenant, the priesthood, sacrificial system, etc. ushering in the spiritual Kingdom of God.

7. PROPHECY: Revelation 16:16 states that armies assembled for battle at Armageddon.**
COINCIDENCE: After Emperor Nero ordered the war against the Jews, Vespasian, Commander of the Roman army, assembled Roman legions and multiple auxiliary forces at Ptolemais, on the edge of the Plain of Megiddo (Armageddon)—60,000 men strong—to march into Galilee and then into Judea.

8. PROPHECY: The harlot was sitting on seven hills. Rev. 17:9
COINCIDENCE: The Jews involved in persecuting and killing Christians, used the favor and legal system of Rome, famous for its seven hills, to carry out the persecution of Christians (see Acts of the Apostles) until the Roman emperor ordered the campaign against the Jews in 67 AD. (See also the trial of Jesus in John 18-19)

9. PROPHECY: Revelation, written around AD 65, reports of seven kings, “five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come and when he comes, he must remain only a little while.” Rev. 17:10.
COINCIDENCE: Rome had had 5 past Caesars when Revelation was written: Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, and Claudius. Nero (ruled 54-68 AD) was the current 6th Caesar upon the writing of Revelation. Galba was the 7th and ruled only 7 months.

10. PROPHECY: The beast is sometimes collective (Roman Empire) and sometimes an individual (emperor) with the number of 666. (Rev. 13:18)
COINCIDENCE: First century Hebrew spelling of Nero Caesar was Nrwn Qsr which totals 666 using numerical equivalences. Jastrow’s lexicon of the Talmud contains this very spelling with the numeral valuation of N = 50, R = 200, W = 6, N = 50, Q = 100, S = 60, R = 200.

11. PROPHECY: “…the beast… will hate the prostitute, and will make her desolate, and will make her naked, and will eat her flesh, and will burn her utterly with fire.” Rev. 17:16
COINCIDENCE: The former cordial and collaborative relationship of Jewish leadership with Rome broke down when Jewish rebels revolted and the Roman emperor ordered aggression against them in AD 67-70. Jewish rebel cities were captured and burned.

12. PROPHECY: The beast had a mortal wound that was healed. Rev. 13:3, 13:12 COINCIDENCE: In AD 68-69, the Roman Empire was wracked with civil war, insurrection, and instability with four emperors dying violently in quick succession. Roman historian, Tacitus, feared the empire would collapse, but it was “healed” under the moderating hand of the new Emperor Vespasian (AD 69-79).

13. PROPHECY: Hailstones, weighing a talent, came down out of heaven upon men. Rev. 16:21.
COINCIDENCE: Historian Josephus reports of stones hurled by Roman engines over the walls of Jerusalem. “Now, the stones that were cast were of the weight of a talent and were carried two furlongs and farther. The blow they gave was no way to be sustained, not only by those that stood first in the way, but by those that were beyond them for a great space.” (Josephus, “The Wars of the Jews” 5.6.3)

14. PROPHECY: With regard to the temple, Jesus stated that not one stone would be left on another. Mt. 34:24
COINCIDENCE: Jewish historian Josephus reported that, after the temple was set on fire and the gold and silver plated walls and adornments melted, the soldiers dug up the foundation stones to recover the precious metals. (Josephus, “The Wars of the Jews”)

15. PROPHECY: Revelation describes locusts/scorpions with heads of gold, hair like a woman’s, scale-like iron breastplates, and tails with the power to kill like scorpions…Rev. 9:7-10
COINCIDENCE: Roman battle attire included brass helmets some with feather-like adornments, scaly breastplates and spears or swords with the power to kill. Their attire might resemble exoskeletons of scorpions and their number like locusts or perhaps the barrenness they left was like locusts’ (See soldier attire on web).

16. PROPHECY: The Great City [Jerusalem] was split into three parts. (Rev. 16:19) COINCIDENCE: Jewish historian Josephus, reports that, for a time,
there were 3 factions of Jewish rebels in Jerusalem fighting each other to gain the ascendency. They were led by John of Gischala, Eleazar ben Simon, and Simon bar Giora. (AD 68-69 )

17. PROPHECY: In Revelation, Jesus said he was coming soon (Rev. 22:7, 22:10, 22:12). N.T. writers used “coming of the Lord” and “day of the Lord” interchangeably (II Peter 3:10, II Peter 1:16). The “Day of the Lord” terminology was used in the O.T. as Yahweh coming in judgment using a warring nation against an errant nation. (Zeph. 1:14, Amos 5:18, Joel 1:15)
COINCIDENCE: Believing Jews would have understood the “coming of the Lord” as the use of the Roman warring nation against the errant nation of Israel.

18. PROPHECY: Revelation is full of prophesies of war, fire, destruction, suffering, blood, famine, and massive death.
COINCIDENCE: Some see Jewish historian Josephus’s writing as an unintended extended commentary of the bloody events of the book of Revelation. (See books 3 to 7 of Jewish Historian Josephus’s, The Wars of the Jews —approx. 130 pages).

19. PROPHECY: Paul told the Thessalonians that a man of lawlessness would set himself up in the temple of God and usurp God’s authority before the day of the Lord arrived.
COINCIDENCE: In AD 66, the powerful general of the temple (Eleazar ben Ananias) set about making war preparations from the temple and denied Yahweh worship to gentiles, all clearly against the law of God. Within months, national judgment i.e. the day of the Lord, was upon Israel starting in Galilee. ( Wars, 2:14:1-5)

*Jerusalem = Great City = Harlot = “Babylon” = “Sodom” = “Egypt” (Rev. 11:8, 17:5, 17:18, 18:10)
**also known as Plain of Megiddo, Plain of Esdraelon, Plain of Jezreel, etc.

 

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The passing away of the Law and Prophets? Am I the one who misreads Mt 5:18? Is Jesus saying in these words that his law will pass away? Even if heaven and earth were to pass away his word stands forever. For the unbeliever, the law only serves to condemn and that is being "under the law." Christ is the substance of the ceremonial law and the moral code still applies today, even to some extent the civil code, if the general rule applies to modern states. The Mosaic age is done, but the Law and the Prophets is God's Word (Mt 5:17).

How many prophecies contained in the Law and the Prophets still await future fulfillment after the death, resurrection, and ascension of Christ?

1. Daniel 12:2, 6-7
2. Matthew 5:17-18
3. Matthew 16:28,
4. Matthew 24:34
5. Luke 21:32

If there are still prophecies that remain unfulfilled today than the Mosaic Age hasn't ended yet because there would be prophecies that still remain unfulfilled before the passing away of the 1st Century generation as promised and prophesied (predicted) by Jesus Himself?

All things (all prophecies) must be fulfilled or finished before the passing away of one specific, particular generation which is the 40 years between 30 A.D. - 70 A.D.

 

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How many prophecies contained in the Law and the Prophets still await future fulfillment after the death, resurrection, and ascension of Christ?

1. Daniel 12:2, 6-7
2. Matthew 5:17-18
3. Matthew 16:28,
4. Matthew 24:34
5. Luke 21:32

If there are still prophecies that remain unfulfilled today than the Mosaic Age hasn't ended yet because there would be prophecies that still remain unfulfilled before the passing away of the 1st Century generation as promised and prophesied (predicted) by Jesus Himself?

All things (all prophecies) must be fulfilled or finished before the passing away of one specific, particular generation which is the 40 years between 30 A.D. - 70 A.D.

Also, let direct you with a question when did Israel and Jerusalem fill the measure of her sins and were judged and Jesus avenged the blood of the prophets, saints, and martyrs?

1. Matthew 23:29-36 (Matthew 23:36*)
2. Revelation 17:6,18:5-7,20,24,19:7-9

Is it the same generation as spoken in the following verses?

*1. Daniel 12:2, 6-7
*2. Matthew 5:17-18
*3. Matthew 16:28,
*4. Matthew 24:34
*5. Luke 21:32

Or a different generation? If so, is the secular State of Israel going to be held accountable for the blood of the saints, martyrs, and prophets?

If no, who then? Because the Babylonian Harlot is the city where Jesus was crucified.

 

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How many prophecies contained in the Law and the Prophets still await future fulfillment after the death, resurrection, and ascension of Christ?

1. Daniel 12:2, 6-7
2. Matthew 5:17-18
3. Matthew 16:28,
4. Matthew 24:34
5. Luke 21:32

If there are still prophecies that remain unfulfilled today than the Mosaic Age hasn't ended yet because there would be prophecies that still remain unfulfilled before the passing away of the 1st Century generation as promised and prophesied (predicted) by Jesus Himself?

All things (all prophecies) must be fulfilled or finished before the passing away of one specific, particular generation which is the 40 years between 30 A.D. - 70 A.D.

What are "all these things" in Mt 24:34? When Jesus predicts the destruction of the temple the disciples ask two questions, when will these things be? and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age (Mt 24:3)? "When will these things be" refers to the destruction of Jerusalem and the other two questions could be referring to the end of the world to the day of judgment or to his setting up his gospel kingdom. It's hard to know for sure what the disciples meant. But take note what Jesus says afterward, “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only (Mt 24:36). This can not be speaking about the "all these things" referred to in that generation. No, but the day of Christ will be many generations passed and a day no one knows. Concerning his second coming at the end of time he speaks plainly in the next chapter.

Also, let direct you with a question when did Israel and Jerusalem fill the measure of her sins and were judged and Jesus avenged the blood of the prophets, saints, and martyrs?

1. Matthew 23:29-36 (Matthew 23:36*)
2. Revelation 17:6,18:5-7,20,24,19:7-9

Is it the same generation as spoken in the following verses?

This again is speaking about the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple-- "all these things"

 

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What are "all these things" in Mt 24:34? When Jesus predicts the destruction of the temple the disciples ask two questions, when will these things be? and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age (Mt 24:3)? "When will these things be" refers to the destruction of Jerusalem and the other two questions could be referring to the end of the world to the day of judgment or to his setting up his gospel kingdom. It's hard to know for sure what the disciples meant. But take note what Jesus says afterward, “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only (Mt 24:36). This can not be speaking about the "all these things" referred to in that generation. No, but the day of Christ will be many generations passed and a day no one knows. Concerning his second coming at the end of time he speaks plainly in the next chapter.

This again is speaking about the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple-- "all these things"

Matthew chapter 24 is only speaking about one prophecy accordingly answering the disciples question and tells them heed the signs with two signs to look for and flee Jerusalem.

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. #But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, ☆And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Matthew 24:36-42

◇When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) #Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: ☆For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matthew 24:15-22

◇And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. #Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! ☆for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luke 21:20-24

#And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. ☆Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Luke 21:34-36



◇Both of these signs occurred approximately in 66-67 A.D when Jesus told the Jewish-Christians to flee Jerusalem and do not hesitate or look back.

#Like the days of Noah

☆Who is taken? The ones that do not heed Jesus warnings and fail to read or take serious the prophetic signs but fail to flee Jerusalem after the two grave signs concerning the impending imminent destruction of Jerusalem.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Thankyou.
If I understand you, you mean the importance of the earth's age is about how it effects the success of Gospel preaching.

Let me ask you this. Would there be other things in the Bible if not presented so literally (like the virgin birth of Jesus) which would make more success in spreading the Good News?

The gospel needs to focus entirely on Christ and His finished work at calvary. That's what Paul said, and he was highly effective. Once a person is born again, he becomes spiritually alive and God's word can be spiritually understood. If all you have is an argument about Genesis, you've already lost. The god of this world blinds the eyes of those who are perishing. Focus on Jesus, the cross, His death and resurrection and forgiveness for sin.

Sure, Christians need to study God's word, Old and New testaments. But the gospel is good news to the lost, not a theological discussion about dinosaurs or evolution.

 

[Ephesians321]

The gospel needs to focus entirely on Christ and His finished work at calvary. That's what Paul said, and he was highly effective. Once a person is born again, he becomes spiritually alive and God's word can be spiritually understood. If all you have is an argument about Genesis, you've already lost. The god of this world blinds the eyes of those who are perishing. Focus on Jesus, the cross, His death and resurrection and forgiveness for sin.

Sure, Christians need to study God's word, Old and New testaments. But the gospel is good news to the lost, not a theological discussion about dinosaurs or evolution.

100% correct. The Bible and the Gospel neither stands on or falls by its first two chapters besides there could be (and I am sure) poetic metaphors abounding therein that was the scribes original design. Adam and Eve sinned and we lost our Father our creator but Christ restored us as children of God.

But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. Titus 3:9

Following the advice of Titus you may win a soul(s) to Christ by not turning the Word Of God into a rigid science book.

 

[Ephesians321]

Let's not forget the Hebrews were enslaved by the Egyptians and no doubt indoctrinated with Egyptian creation myths (yes, its plural) and they didn't even know God's name anymore. One of the first things the Holy Spirit and Moses may have set about to do in writing Genesis is create a set apart and uniqueness to the monotheism of Yahweh from the polytheism of Egypt in regards to creation. Should it really matter if Adam and Eve lived alongside monstrous lizards and megafauna or not? No, I surmise.

https://www.glencairnmuseum.org/newsletter/2021/7/13/ancient-egyptian-creation-myths-from-watery-chaos-to-cosmic-egg
» Creation myths and form(s) of the gods in ancient Egypt

 

[Ephesians321]

From the first link, check this out, it is the ancient Egyptian Heaven and Earth! Awesome!

Isaiah, Jesus, and Peter was describing the Hebraic equivalent (or superior) Heaven and Earth in Isaiah 51:16, 65:17, 66:22, Matthew 5:18, 2 Peter 3, and Revelation 21:1. Awesome!

 

[oikonomia]

The gospel needs to focus entirely on Christ and His finished work at calvary. That's what Paul said, and he was highly effective. Once a person is born again, he becomes spiritually alive and God's word can be spiritually understood. If all you have is an argument about Genesis, you've already lost. The god of this world blinds the eyes of those who are perishing. Focus on Jesus, the cross, His death and resurrection and forgiveness for sin.

Sure, Christians need to study God's word, Old and New testaments. But the gospel is good news to the lost, not a theological discussion about dinosaurs or evolution.

Thankyou. This like many other posts have been helpful fellowship.

The gospel eventually includes understanding the purpose of man's creation and the spiritual warfare
needed to defeat God's enemies. I say "spiritual" warfare rather than scientific dispute.

For both these I hold the exposure of the pre-adamic history and career of the church's enemy becomes a part of the gospel.

 

[didactics]

Matthew chapter 24 is only speaking about one prophecy accordingly answering the disciples question and tells them heed the signs with two signs to look for and flee Jerusalem.

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. #But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, ☆And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Matthew 24:36-42

◇When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) #Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: ☆For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matthew 24:15-22

◇And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. #Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! ☆for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luke 21:20-24

#And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. ☆Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Luke 21:34-36



◇Both of these signs occurred approximately in 66-67 A.D when Jesus told the Jewish-Christians to flee Jerusalem and do not hesitate or look back.

#Like the days of Noah

☆Who is taken? The ones that do not heed Jesus warnings and fail to read or take serious the prophetic signs but fail to flee Jerusalem after the two grave signs concerning the impending imminent destruction of Jerusalem.

I find it interesting that you put a symbol by a verse in one passage and one for the other passage to show the parallel, with a ☆ here or a ◇ there. If I didn't know any better I'd think you're playing around. If you believe it all relates to the same event in history you might as well put all the symbols by every passage!

#But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mt 24:37

#Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Mt 24:16-20

#And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Lk 21:34-35

#Like the days of Noah

Yes, like the days of Noah. Could those in Noah's day flee to the mountains for safety?

☆And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Mt 24:39-42

☆For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Mt 24:21-22

☆for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Lk 21 23-24

☆Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Lk 21:36

☆Who is taken? The ones that do not heed Jesus warnings and fail to read or take serious the prophetic signs but fail to flee Jerusalem after the two grave signs concerning the impending imminent destruction of Jerusalem.

Yes, but if all these passages are speaking about the same thing, why the message about two will be in the field, one will be taken and the other left? Shouldn't the one left have fled to the mountains and not even be in the field when the other is taken?

◇When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

Mt 24:15

◇And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Lk 21:20

◇Both of these signs occurred approximately in 66-67 A.D when Jesus told the Jewish-Christians to flee Jerusalem and do not hesitate or look back.

This I agree with. I have no problem here.