Halloween - Do you celebrate or not?

[AV1611VET]

I go to the Heart connection of community gathered together in fun, creativity and giving.

Including the Colosseum of Rome?

 

[CoreyD]

No, I tend to skip over scripture dumps.

I understand.

Wait, you think they have actual magical powers?

What's magical powers?

Using the term illusionist is a not terribly subtitle way of the performer pointing out that underneath it all their act is not real.

Magician Liam Power
This one is fairly self-explanatory really. In most cases when we do receive emails or calls requesting an illusionist, a magician is in fact what the client is meaning.

Magic, which encompasses the subgenres of illusion, stage magic, and close-up magic, among others, is a performing art in which audiences are entertained by tricks, effects, or illusions of seemingly impossible feats, using natural means.

Do you think God thought the illusions of Pharaoh's priest were real?
Do you think God condemns Satanic lies and activities, because they are real?

No.

I understand.

 

[Desk trauma]

What's magical powers?

I don't do the dollar store Socratic tap dance.

Magician Liam Power
This one is fairly self-explanatory really. In most cases when we do receive emails or calls requesting an illusionist, a magician is in fact what the client is meaning.

Magic, which encompasses the subgenres of illusion, stage magic, and close-up magic, among others, is a performing art in which audiences are entertained by tricks, effects, or illusions of seemingly impossible feats, using natural means.

I am not seeing an explanation just a repetition of what I said, the acts are not real.

Do you think God thought the illusions of Pharaoh's priest were real?
Do you think God condemns Satanic lies and activities, because they are real?

I don't think that there is a god to think thoughts.

 

[dlamberth]

Since I have been obeying Christ's commands, and following his teachings and example, the following has been my experience.
Isaiah 61:1-3

Going beyond "obeying Christ's commands", have you experienced being "immersed" in the Infinite Divine Love that Christ is? And most importantly, if so, what is your part in the Love that you see and how you treat others with in your approach to Life?

In the rest of the scripture quoted, I still see you pointing towards Love, but not actually going there in how Love changes your heart. Or in how you see Love expressed in the arts for instance, or in your Heart experience with your children if you have any, or in your inner Love for your partner, or in your service to others or anything actually that life presents to you on a day to day bases.

Do you agree that love of God is most important, and this involves loving the truth?

I feel that having God as one's absolute reality is most important. The way towards that ideal is thru Love of all of Creation, both the seen and unseen. That is Truth as I understand it.

Are you happy with the witch's hat, and vampire bats? Do these promote the truth, or Satan's lies?

Where your looking at the outer form with the hats and stuff, I think it's way more important to look at the inner stuff where fun, community, creativity and joy are expressed. That's how God becomes alive within us. It's way too easy to judge the outer form. We do it all of the time. But if LOVE was actually PREACHED, we would learn to look past the outer form and see the inner. That's the way Love works.

Do you think that God will overlook our love for Satan's world, because we buy groceries for our next door neighbor, and give candy to children?

I'm not so judgmental as that.
I firmly believe God will "see" the light of joy, community, the giving and the fun we are experiencing together.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

They have to carry the object to the crime scene with them, do they?

Convicted Killer Says He Admitted to Murder Because Tarot Cards Said Guilt 'Would Destroy' Him

Christopher Waide is serving a 48-year prison sentence for the murder of a Colorado teenager.

abcnews.go.com

Vic serial killer wins tarot card fight - 9News

Paul Steven Haigh, who is serving life in jail for murdering several people in Victoria during the 1970s, h...

www.9news.com.au

One was a guy who confessed to a crime he already committed because his interpretation of the cards told him that he would live a life of crippled by guilt if he didn’t confess, the other a guy who was long jailed who converted to Pagansim in jail 47 years after committing the crimes that landed him in jail and wanted four cards that were banned from his deck reinstated.

The first scenario is arguably a good thing… A criminal confessed and was punished for a crime because of what he thought the cards said. The second one had nothing to do with anything, other than I’m offended that anybody would look at the breasts depicted in that and say “yup, that’s what those look like.”

And as a Tarot reader, I’m baffled at only being able to have four decks and Deviant Moon being one of the four he chose. It’s not a bad deck, but if I could have only four, it’s not the one I’d choose. Kind of curious what the other three decks were.

 

[CoreyD]

There was never anything satanic about Halloween. The only reason people think that is because a Satanist trolled people into thinking it was.

What I said is,
These Evangelical and Fundamentalist circles must not have kept up their Bible reading, if they relied on a Satanist to blow the whistle on what God had long condemned.
The Christians were no part of Satan's world, and they remain that way. 1 John 5:19

You think David Blaine is a literal wizard casting spells?

-CryptoLutheran

A literal wizard? What do you mean by "literal wizard"?

 

[CoreyD]

Who?

Anton LaVey, he says.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

How do you know?

9 Chilling Crimes Involving Ouija Boards

Ouija board popularity peaks during times of uncertainty. But before you dust yours off, read about these wild Ouija board crimes.

www.rd.com

Ok, so let’s pretend all 10 of these happened, the article was well researched and properly cited and not repetition of old wives tales and fear mongers and an Ouija board was to blame for influencing 10 people to do 10 murders. If 10 murders since 1930 “proves” Ouija boards are evil, then there should be no dispute that guns are also inherently evil as 117 people will die via a gun today.

 

[tobelieveinHim]

Halloween signifies an evil time, and an evil presence to me. There are scary, evil depictions everywhere, Scary decorations, Dark and evil decorations all over the place when you shop or go anywhere, And the whole thing in and of itself is about little children collecting and begging for candy from strangers. Anyone ever know when you taught your kids not to take candy from strangers ? Or talk to strangers ?
My parents brought all candy home and inspected all of it for poison, as well as sharp objects that these strangers can put in to the kid's candy. As this is possible, and does happen. The aesthetics of Halloween in and of themselves just feel, evil.

By the time I went trick or treating as a kid, I was old enough to have given in to the peer pressure, And old enough to have received the peer pressure. I would have never participated if it wasn't for other people's kids who did.
Top all this off with, You have to decide your costume. And peer pressure in deciding your costume comes in to effect, as well.

If you don't know at all what to be, You will be peer pressured for not knowing what to be and basically dressing up as yourself. If you dress up in the wrong costume, Or something someone another kid doesn't like, etc.

Maybe this is me being a millennial, But a lot of kids have not been raised to be Christians, In my generation. In fact, Most of them have not.

The peer pressure, Along with the scary decorations, And the notion of little children begging for candy from strangers, in the first place! I feel as if this is flirting with the Devil, And a slippery slope for a Christian parent to take. Christmas is based off of the Saint' Nicholas who did exist,

And did deliver presents to children,
And the whole aesthetics of Christmas are the polar opposite of the aesthetics of Halloween. Halloween's history is literally about the dead. Should Christians be celebrating and bringing their children in to the dead ? ! ?

 

[tobelieveinHim]

The holiday seems to be about scaring children, And having those same children begging for candy from the same people who are scaring them. That is what it seems like to me. Christmas is the polar opposite of Halloween, And is based on a real life Saint Nicholas who delivered presents to the poor, And saved some daughters of another Saint, From being sold as slaves. At least, That is what I read in a book about the real Saint Nicholas.

 

[CoreyD]

It's not. The closest the article gets to providing a source is in this statement:

"It’s widely believed today that the church was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related, church-sanctioned holiday."

Well golly, since something is widely believed then it clearly must be true. I can't think of any examples of things which have been widely believed and yet, in fact, not be true.

That's not how history books are to be treated.
They just give the facts. It is a fact that it is widely believed. That's not concluding the belief is true.
It's similar to this. Halloween

• One theory holds that many Halloween traditions were influenced by Celtic harvest festivals, particularly the Gaelic festival Samhain, which are believed to have pagan roots.[14][15][16][17]
• Some go further and suggest that Samhain may have been Christianized as All Hallow's Day, along with its eve, by the early Church.[18]
• Other academics believe Halloween began solely as a Christian holiday, being the vigil of All Hallow's Day.[19][20][21][22]

Stating what is believed, is just presenting that information that persons would know.
I haven't read the entire article, so I cannot say, if they went into details.

What do you think of this:
What are the origins of All Saints Day and All Souls Day? Are these linked with paganism and Halloween?
Both the Feast of All Saints and the Feast of All Souls evolved in the life of the Church independently of paganism and Halloween. However, elements of pagan practices were perhaps “baptized” by some cultures or attached themselves to the celebration of All Saints and All Souls.

Do you think this is a good source?

The History Channel is not a valid source. It is a company that provides entertainment under the guise of information. The article on its official website concerning Halloween lacks sources of any kind--there are literally no sources or citations provided. It is simply an infotainment dump catering to a popular audience.

This isn't what a source looks like. This isn't how research is done.

Good points. Thanks.

Nothing was substantiated by the article.

The fact of the matter is that we know exceedingly little about Celtic Paganism in general. Of our written sources we are left with Greek and Roman sources (as I mentioned earlier, we have Julius Caesar's account about the Gauls), but these are often contradictory. I mentioned the druids previously, who seem to be whatever the author wants them to be. Our only other written sources come from medieval Irish monks; and it is hardly clear what in these Irish fairy-tales, written centuries after the conversion of the Irish and other Celtic peoples to Christianity, is genuinely representative of pre-Christian Celtic pagan tradition, and which is the product of later Christian imagination.

The few things we can seem to peel away and get at is that there were four major seasonal celebrations, one of which being Samhain, the Celtic start of the winter season. Legends, myths, and fairy-tales from Irish monks and other Christian writers tend to indicate that there was a belief that during Samhain the barrier that separated our world from the "other" world--the world of fairies, grew thin. And so fairies and spirits could cross over.

The problem, of course, is that connecting that with Pope Gregory IV promoting the celebration of All Saints on November 1st among the Franks, as it had become the custom among the Romans is, basically, not possible.

-CryptoLutheran

The source I quoted above, says this:
Now for the pagan connection: November 1 marked Samhain, the beginning of the Celtic winter.
Besides the Celtic traditions in place, the Roman conquest of Britain in AD 43 brought two other pagan feasts: Feralia was held in late October to honor the dead. Another Autumn festival honored Pomona, the goddess of fruits and trees; probably through this festival, apples became associated with Halloween. Elements of these Roman celebrations were combined with the Celtic Samhain.

With the spread of Christianity and the establishment of All Saints Day, some of these pagan customs remained in the English speaking world for All Hallows Eve (or Halloween, All Saints Eve), perhaps at first more out of superstition, and later, more out of fun. Nevertheless, All Saints Day clearly arose from genuine Christian devotion independent of Halloween.

Nevertheless, All Souls Day as well as all Saints Day are rooted in Christian belief and arose in this life of the Church through a healthy spirituality, despite some pagan trappings that may have survived and have remained attached to their celebration.

What do you think of that?

 

[Tropical Wilds]

The holiday seems to be about scaring children, And having those same children begging for candy from the same people who are scaring them. That is what it seems like to me. Christmas is the polar opposite of Halloween, And is based on a real life Saint Nicholas who delivered presents to the poor, And saved some daughters of another Saint, From being sold as slaves. At least, That is what I read in a book about the real Saint Nicholas.

Yes, goodness knows children never beg for things in the name of Christmas. Nor do people do things to scare children into behaving well in the name of Christmas…

 

[Tinker Grey]

Yes, goodness knows children never beg for things in the name of Christmas. Nor do people do things to scare children into behaving well in the name of Christmas…

Elf on the shelf, anyone? What an evil concept.

 

[dlamberth]

Including the Colosseum of Rome

Not much Love going on there. Way different than children going door to door trick 'r treating.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Elf on the shelf, anyone? What an evil concept.

To be fair, I don’t have an issue with Halloween, scaring children, or discussing/showing children topics related to death… But I am heckin creeped out by that elf.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ok, so let’s pretend all 10 of these happened, the article was well researched and properly cited and not repetition of old wives tales and fear mongers and an Ouija board was to blame for influencing 10 people to do 10 murders. If 10 murders since 1930 “proves” Ouija boards are evil, then there should be no dispute that guns are also inherently evil as 117 people will die via a gun today.

When a person uses a Ouija board, or Tarot cards, or other such like, they are beaconing the spiritual world to do something on their behalf.

In the few cases where the spiritual world can respond, bad things happen.

Guns are not objects that beacon the spiritual world.

Think of Ouija boards and Tarot cards as keys to a locked door, and my point should become clearer.

 

[CoreyD]

I wish to make a request - and I don't intend to single CoreyD or anyone else out with this...

If you wish to make a point that references Scripture, just give the reference and make the point you wish to make in your own words. There is no need to copy the text of the verse itself unless you are comparing translations, emphasizing a specific portion, etc. On this forum, one can easily access the text of the verse being referenced simply by hovering over the reference. Not only that, if one can access ChristianForums.com, they presumably can access other online resources as well.

You do not have to spell out "For God so loved the World..." If you wish to reference John 3:16, just say "John 3:16" and let that be that.

Also, I'm not saying anyone here is doing this, but I have seen people in other threads and other forums abuse and misapply Scripture to insinuate something that they would not dare argue outright. Your assertion should be easy to ascertain.

Thanks for the suggestion.
However, I prefer not to apply your suggestion, because while that's how you feel, others don't feel as you do.
I have had persons request the opposite, since they preferred to read the reference, rather than hover on or click the text.

We are different, and we have different preferences.

 

[CoreyD]

Also, I'm not saying anyone here is doing this, but I have seen people in other threads and other forums abuse and misapply Scripture to insinuate something that they would not dare argue outright. Your assertion should be easy to ascertain.

I know what you mean. I have seen it too.
However, I simply ask them to explain the text.
Asking follow up questions will expose any abuse and misapplication of Scripture.

 

[Paulos23]

When a person uses a Ouija board, or Tarot cards, or other such like, they are beaconing the spiritual world to do something on their behalf.

In the few cases where the spiritual world can respond, bad things happen.

Guns are not objects that beacon the spiritual world.

Think of Ouija boards and Tarot cards as keys to a locked door, and my point should become clearer.

Really. Nothing like that ever happened when I saw them used. In fact, nothing much happened at all....

 

[AV1611VET]

Not much Love going on there.

Who said anything about love?

This is what you said:

For source of Halloween? I go to the Heart connection of community gathered together in fun, creativity and giving.