Hamas-Israel News Thread

[Vanellus]

Those who are behind the attack are in tunnels under apartment buildings and headquartered in Hospitals and schools.

What do you suggest Israel does?

Denied by the doctors in those hospitals
DR. MADS GILBERT: I will ask President Netanyahu to put on the table the proofs and the evidence that there is a control and command center for the Palestinian resistance in Shifa Hospital. We have heard these claims since 2009. We have twice been threatened to leave Shifa Hospital, in 2009 and 2014, because the Israelis were going to bomb it because it was a command center. Now, I have been working in Shifa for 16 years, 16 years on and off, in very hectic periods, very hectic periods. I’ve been able to walk freely around. I take lots of pictures. I video, film. I’ve been sleeping in the hospital during bombardment. I’ve been all over. I’ve never been restricted, controlled. Nobody has ever controlled my picture and documentation material. So, well, if there is a command center, show us. You have pictures and X-ray films of all Gaza, all the tunnels, everything. So, why is it that these 16 years of threats that Shifa is a command center has not been given any evidence at all that it de facto is? Now, if it was a military command center, I would not work there, because I obey to the Geneva Convention, number one.
from “This Has to Stop”: Doctors Denounce Israel’s Targeting of Gaza Hospitals

 

[Vanellus]

Amazing that Wiki calls this a terrorist attack, when 1) it was a military target and 2) the military men in the hotel were warned of the bombing beforehand.

Also amazing and humorous - Nazi Germany was right-wing, and best remembered for hating Jews. The alt.right is right-wing, and best known for hating Jews. Yet Jews can also be right-wing. I guess right-wing just translates to "the bad guys". Clown World.

It was a "military" target where a lot of civilians died. The call was taken 15 minutes before the explosion by a telephone operator who ignored it - not a "military man".

 

[Vanellus]

Again that's what happens when one side hates the other so bad that they want them wiped out and removed entirely to not exist. And they prove that hatred by constantly attacking the other side.

You seem to continually miss that point. If Israel didn't have the iron some there would be countless more civilian deaths. Because the Palestinians don't care about the civilians. In fact the more civilians dead the better. One side doesn't care about life. The other side does.

When you have that eventually the the wicked will go too far. And the other side will rise up and say enough is enough and war will begin. When war begins a great toll of lives will be taken. But it's what the wicked side asked for. In this case the Palestinians asked for it to happen by their love of death. And like the avenging angel Israel is avenging their dead. And when the evil love death so much that they put their own people in harms way to create more death they are the guilty.

And when war comes and they deliberately place their own people in harms way they are the ones committing the act upon their own.

The acts committed are not equal. Israel is trying to protect their people from destruction. The Palestinians are trying to line their people up for destruction. Who's the greater to blame?

When you ask for war to be visited upon you then you must accept the consequences of that war. And when you deliberately ask for your civilians to die and the enemy obliges them you have no one to blame but yourself.

The wrong things done as you say are not equal. The morality is not equal. One side wishes to avoid civilian death but have no choice do to the actions of the other.

The other side thirsts for civilian death. Revels in it. And the civilians voted for it.

And while it is may be equal in outcome, it is is not real in morality.

The evidence points to the fact that many Israelis hate Palestinians since they seem awfully keen on killing as many as they can.

 

[Vanellus]

Are your forgetting that Israel has tried that? But Everytime it's rejected? Everytime it has been the Arab world who were the aggressors and the attackers. It has been them who have rejected it and called for jihad against the Jews.

Israel and the world have tried to create a two state solution, but every time the Arabs reject it. Why? Because of their hated. And right now they are reaping what has been sown.

Evidence?

 

[Vanellus]

Who says they have a greater responsibility. To do what exactly? Die? That's your ultimate outcome. The Jews should not do what they can to help protect their own soldiers when they go in on the ground. We should just send in the soldiers to die because we have a greater responsibility? What kind of nonsense is this? Israel TOLD people to get out. Hamas TOLD people to stay. And they blockaded the roads so people couldn't get out.

Ethnic cleansing? If there really was ethnic cleansing they would have bothered even trying to warn people. That's what Hamas does. They do the ethnic cleansing. As I have said there is no moral equivalence here.

You do know that Israel evacuated 5000 Jews out of the settlements and turned them over to the Palestinians right?

He's referring to settlements in the West Bank.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Palestinians owned their own homes and properties while living under Turkish and British rule. Then they were chased off their own land with violence when the state of Israel was created.

(Jewish historian) Tom Segev concluded that "most of the Arabs in the country, approximately 400,000, were chased out and expelled during the first stage of the war. In other words, before the Arab armies invaded the country" (Haaretz, July 18, 2010)

The idea that the people of the region of Palestine owned their own homes or land and therefore weren't subject to the laws and regulations and decisions of the Ottoman Empire or British Empire is a ridiculous argument that doesn't hold any water and no one should take seriously.

I'm a property and land owner in the US and I'm completely subject to the rules and laws regarding land and property ownership in the US. Here, as in most places, the US can literally remove me from my home and property for reasons far less serious than losing a war. We call it eminent domain.

For more info on the subject, look into the Tennessee Valley Authority....who displaced many many people for dam and irrigation projects. Did those people own land and homes? Of course they did...but it doesn't mean they don't have to obey the government that ruled them.

The people of Palestine didn't dispute that they were subject to Ottoman rule....nor did they dispute that the Ottomans relinquished that rule to the British. They merely disagreed with the choices Britain made with the land.

 

[ralliann]

Rather than spew hatred for the people, I would suggest letting them drink

I do spew hamas who are responsible for it yes.

 

[Vanellus]

Not when it's in self defense against a people who have been shooting rockets at you forever and launched an attack against your people. Children were raped so hard that their pelvises broke. People were burned alive. Yeah attacking g people who did that to you and their supporters? Not illegal.

The 3000 plus children killed in Gaza weren't firing rockets.

 

[ralliann]

Not to those currently being liquidated by them in an act of collective punishment. The IDF may not wear the Nazi uniform, but you can bet if the situations were reversed and it was Israelis who had to deal with an actual army of Palestinians with tanks and fighter planes (supplied by their ever-supportive friends in the most militarily and technologically advanced countries in the world, either directly or through 'defense' aid) pushing into Israeli neighborhoods on a supposed terrorist-hunt that just happens to destroy the lives of civilians along the way (oops!), it would be presented by pro-Israel media in terms that would befit the Nazi atrocities of the Holocaust.

A coptic christian should know Jew's were lost the land in the first place. As well as how they got the name Palestine, as well as how they got the land. There is no difference either way. When Jews lost the land to the Romans they didn't stick around for years and years, and commit rape, infanticide and attacks. So we know what already happened.

 

[Vanellus]

We've seen what those Palestinian babies grow up to be. Jew hating murdering terrorists. We've got the pictures.

Once again it's the Palestinians who are guilty here. And if you create a society where you raise your kids to hate and practice killing Jews well then who entire society is wicked and underserved of existence.

STOP DOING THAT. If you just stop Israel will to. All you are doing is bringing righteous vengeance upon your own house.

So you want to kill all the babies in Gaza in case they turn out to hate Jews. Maybe call it operation Herod.

 

[ralliann]

Might makes right?

Evidently it depends with you people. Ottoman might makes everything alright. But not British might Evidently.

Invited to share the land. Not kick everyone else out, no?

Yeah but the Palestinians wouldnt share and wanted them out of land of the Brits

 

[dzheremi]

"Supposed"???

What bizarre standard do you hold for terrorism?

The kind that recognizes that if the situation were reversed, the supporters of Israel would not be nearly as supportive of Palestinian incursions into Israeli territory as they expect everyone to be concerning Israel's use of force in Gaza right now, as I stated in my post that you decided to use as a springboard to go on a rant that I'm not going to bother reading.

 

[JosephZ]

We've seen what those Palestinian babies grow up to be. Jew hating murdering terrorists. We've got the pictures.

Once again it's the Palestinians who are guilty here. And if you create a society where you raise your kids to hate and practice killing Jews well then who entire society is wicked and underserved of existence.

Both sides are guilty of teaching hate and intolerance.

Israeli Textbooks and Children’s Literature Promote Racism and Hatred Toward Palestinians and Arabs

Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, September 1999, pages 19-20 Special Report Israeli Textbooks and Children’s Literature Promote Racism and Hatred...

www.wrmea.org

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[Vanellus]

Note that if you're a Palestinian in Gaza who isn't too good at three point turns an Israeli tank will blow you up and kill you.

The video is available on Youtube - search for "Israeli tank blows up car" on Youtube.

 

[JosephZ]

Note that if you're a Palestinian in Gaza who isn't too good at three point turns an Israeli tank will blow you up and kill you.

The video is available on Youtube - search for "Israeli tank blows up car" on Youtube.

The journalist who recorded that video also says he witnessed a bus full of families being targeted by an Israeli tank.

Video footage showing the moment a tank opened fire on a car in northern Gaza has emerged - amid fears a family were killed.

Yousaf Al Saifi, the Gaza-based journalist who captured the video, has told Sky News he later saw the tank fire on a "bus full of families".

Mr Al Saifi says he then drove away before he saw a "bus full of families".

He said that as the bus approached the tank it fired another shell.

He added: "It took out everyone on the bus. At this point, I felt how dangerous the situation was and turned around."

Israel-Hamas war: Footage from Gaza shows tank firing at car amid fears family were killed

The video has been captured by a Gaza-based journalist after Israeli tanks entered the north of the Palestinian territory.

news.sky.com

 

[BPPLEE]

Did you know that Israeli soldiers were breaking arms of Palestinians with stones?

There is still some strange idea spread among some Christians that Israel must be right just because it is Israel.

Where do you get this information? What is the source? How do you know Israelis have done this?

 

[JosephZ]

Where do you get this information? What is the source? How do you know Israelis have done this?

There's video on youtube.

 

[truthpls]

I do spew hamas who are responsible for it yes.

Separate the sheep from the goats before going to market

 

[truthpls]

Evidently it depends with you people. Ottoman might makes everything alright. But not British might Evidently.

You can't blame the attack on a heavily populated area by Israel on 'ottoman' You might as well blame Donald Duck

Yeah but the Palestinians wouldnt share and wanted them out of land of the Brits

What does share mean? Give up territory? How about Israel 'share' now?

 

[Ana the Ist]

The kind that recognizes that if the situation were reversed

The situation isn't reversed so I'm not going to bother with trying to decipher whatever your attempt at a point is here.