Hamas-Israel News Thread

[Landon Caeli]

the more Jewish the area became the greater the problems became.

Why did they have to hate Jews?

 

[Landon Caeli]

Exactly. So why do you dismiss everything for one side and argue only for another? Jews are not perfect angels and Arabs are not the embodiment of all evil.

Because this all started with Arabs being racist. If they would have welcomed "different" people, instead of killing them and their children, things could have started off normal.

Why accept racism? Why not expose root causes, and come to understand the big picture?

 

[trophy33]

The problem started when Jewish immigration was forced on the area. Not that Jews are not great folks, but the mix was not good. The more time went by and the more Jewish the area became the greater the problems became. So, is it hard to figure out that the problem began with that and became worse till all the land belonged to Jews almost? So, what is the solution? Unless they can get along, one or the other might need to go?

Well, both people are there for a century, so moving them is probably not viable.

Two state solution with borders from 1948 plan (i.e. illegal Jewish settlements to be removed) and the UN blue helmets there to oversee both sides? I do not know. But the current situation does not work, if two sides hate each other, one cannot control the other.

 

[trophy33]

Because this all started with Arabs being racist. If they would have welcomed "different" people, instead of killing them and their children, things could have started off normal.

Why accept racism?

Can you just admit that both sides do evil? That no side is perfect? You ignore terrible things done by Jews and on every single one you attack Palestinians instead. This does not look good at all.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Can you just admit that both sides do evil? That no side is perfect? You ignore terrible things done by Jews and on every single one you attack Palestinians instead. This does not look good at all.

Fine, Jews stole land from peasants later on, after spending decades being attacked for their existence. They did bad things.

 

[rjs330]

8000+ dead Gazans is not enough for you then? This is so when Hamas is not destroyed you can write Israel wasn't hard enough. Would killing every Gazan make you happy?

Do we have 8000 Palestinians dead now? According to whom?

There wouldn't be any if they wouldn't have voted in Hamas, given them access to Gaza, hadn't attacked Israel and if Hamas would surrender. If Hamas was using them as human shields. Who's fault is all of this?

How many Palestinians have to die in order for Hamas to give up? How many do they have to kill before they say enough?

This is what happens when you declaire war on another country. It's not pretty is it.

 

[trophy33]

Fine, Jews stole land from peasants later on, after spending decades being attacked for their existence. They did bad things.

Do you agree that all life is equal, i.e. that to do bad things to this or that side is equally against God and laws? Because it sometimes seems that you do not consider the suffering of Palestinians to be worth of mentioning, like if only Jewish life was worth preserving and like if only Jewish prosperity was priority.

 

[rjs330]

An attempt to disguise racial prejudice as knowledge of history.

Yes I think the Palestinians have done a terrible job of hiding their racism against the Jews.

 

[truthpls]

Why did they have to hate Jews?

I don't know. But they probably felt threatened and as it turned out, they were pushed out

 

[Landon Caeli]

Do you agree that all life is equal, i.e. that to do bad things to this or that side is equally against God and laws? Because it sometimes seems that you do not consider the suffering of Palestinians to be worth of mentioning, like if only Jewish life was worth preserving and like if only Jewish prosperity was priority.

I agree all life is equal, but I struggle applying it. I admit.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I don't know. But they probably felt threatened and as it turned out, they were pushed out

Just like the Nazi's felt threatened? Even jealous, maybe?

 

[Landon Caeli]

For most people, Jews are okay, as long as there's not too many of them.

sad.

 

[truthpls]

Just like the Nazi's felt threatened? Even jealous, maybe?

No. Like a people ruled by Britain that was letting in huge numbers of people who felt they had a right from God to own that land. They didn't have any such right

 

[truthpls]

For most people, Jews are okay, as long as there's not too many of them.

sad.

If you have thousands and thousands moving in to your country and know that they planned to take it all, and displace you, that would be a problem.

 

[truthpls]

Just like the Nazi's felt threatened? Even jealous, maybe?

No. The nazis had hate in particular for Jews. The folks in 'Palestine' had fear that their lands and houses and families and 'country' were facing an existential threat. If it had of been from Germans, or Hungarians, or Zambians it would not matter. They were right because they were forced out as refugees. It is not right to play the poor me, everyone hates Jews card. It seems to have been more, I did not invite you here, leave my country and lands alone, thank you very much.

 

[Landon Caeli]

No. The nazis had hate in particular for Jews. The folks in 'Palestine' had fear that their lands and houses and families and 'country' were facing an existential threat. If it had of been from Germans, or Hungarians, or Zambians it would not matter. They were right because they were forced out as refugees. It is not right to play the poor me, everyone hates Jews card. It seems to have been more, I did not invite you here, leave my country and lands alone, thank you very much.

I can't play the my opinion is better than your opinion game anymore. Whatever the reason, the Palestinians and the Nazi's murdered Jews, including their children. That's the end of the story.

For that, the penalty is death.

 

[rjs330]

Israel evacuated (or evicted) the Israeli settlers from the region.

In 2005, 21 Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip were unilaterally dismantled and Israeli settlers and army evacuated from inside the Gaza Strip.
The settlers who refused to accept government compensation packages and voluntarily vacate their homes prior to the 15 August 2005 deadline were evicted by Israeli security forces over a period of several days.


Who evicted the Jews from Gaza?

Why did they leave again? Oh yeah there wasn't going to be any peace in the area, the Palestinians didn't want the there and it was to much for Israel to try and protect.

 

[Landon Caeli]

goodnight.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The problem started when lands were taken, no? How could there be Jewish Palestinian problem before 1948?

What lands were taken in 1948? Who took them?

I don't want to give out history lessons but for centuries before your grandad was born there was this large and powerful empire called the Ottoman Empire that ruled over the whole region and much more territory and you might call them "colonizers" or "slavers" but the people living in Palestine just called them "the guys in charge that own this place".

Then, as empires tend to do, the once mighty Ottomans got weaker and weaker, lost much of their territory in several wars....until losing that particular region to the British post WW1. This isn't a matter of dispute. Nobody questioned that it was Ottoman territory and nobody questioned that they ceded control of the region to the British. It's indisputable.

Now the British controlled the land and while the locals caused them some trouble, it wasn't a big concern...after all WW2 was starting up and the British had more to worry about.

The locals, as it turned out, were big fans of the nazis. They shared a similar hatred of jews. When WW2 closed...a lot of Jewish people had been displaced...either fleeing their countries or not wanting to stay in them because so many of their countrymen were more than willing to hand jews over to the nazis. Poland is notorious for this, of course, but they aren't the only ones...even places that the nazis hadn't invaded were shipping their jews to the nazis for extermination. Antisemitism was so common for so long it was rampant all throughout the political spectrum....

Some jews had already had an idea for a land of their own where they could be safe from the antisemitism that dogged them wherever they went....and after the cold bureaucratic nature of the Holocaust was revealed to the world...a lot of people felt this was not only a good idea, but the least they could do for sitting by while jews were being exterminated.

And so the British decided to give a portion of the region to the jews for their own nation to live in....and everyone learned that the Arabs and various Islamic cultures of the middle east were some of the worst antisemites of all.

I'm leaving a fair portion out but I'm not your history teacher...those are the broad strokes up to 1948.

So who exactly stole what from whom?

I understand that many of the locals decided to "fight the jewish people" for the land and because they had the backing of many of their Arab neighbors who actually had armies....they thought they'd win and there was no need to settle for control of just part of the region. Sadly for them...they got beaten like a rented mule. In a nearly unprecedented display of generosity...the Israeli people actually handed back large chunks of what the locals lost...in hopes that this generosity would lead to peaceful relationships with their new neighbors.

As it turns out....that was probably a mistake and they should have just kept it. Everyone would be better off now if they had.

So please....enlighten me on this problem you speak of?

So if a home invader kicks you out of your house, and you fight back but lose, the house is theirs?

Well you're talking about a home invader...implying that the home is mine.

The jewish people didn't take anything from anyone....it was given to them from the British...who got it from the Ottomans.

If we go back any further we'll be discussing the Holy Roman Empire and the people they took the land from....the jews.

You don't blame a victim for not being able to lick the home invaders.

I don't understand who the home invader is here....the British? The Ottomans? Who?

And Israel shouldn't blow people up by the apartment full.

If it's an apartment full of terrorists and their supporters....they absolutely should.

 

[rjs330]

Do you agree that all life is equal, i.e. that to do bad things to this or that side is equally against God and laws? Because it sometimes seems that you do not consider the suffering of Palestinians to be worth of mentioning, like if only Jewish life was worth preserving and like if only Jewish prosperity was priority.

What makes you think all life is equal? All life isn't equal. Evil people are not equal to good people. The rapist is not equal to the victim.