Hamas-Israel News Thread

[truthpls]

Except it is Israel's land to begin with (so no ethnic cleansing, a human concept).....unless you want to dispute that with God.

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What is the land that God promised to Israel? What are the borders of the territory God gave to the Israelites as an inheritance?

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I do! God has zero to do with unbelievers in that land today. He will only bring them back after they accept Jesus.

 

[JosephZ]

How can you say they are "innocent" when they are preventing justice from being served..?

In reality, when people protect criminals, they are also guilty of crimes. I'm not calling for their death but I am not calling them innocent either.

the Palestinians should NOT be considered innocent, when they refrain from exposing the murderers among them.

They're NOT innocent, when stand there and do nothing to help capture or isolate Hamas terrorists.

Based on my personal experience and observations while working in communities where terrorists have established themselves and their terrorist activities go unchallenged by the people living in these communities, there are a couple of reasons I can think of as to why Palestinians wouldn't want to get involved in, or cooperate with authorities in exposing Hamas terrorists. For one, Palestinians in Gaza live in an environment where turning against Hamas could pose significant risks to their lives, livelihoods, and families. They allow Hamas to operate in Gaza mostly because they are afraid that if they refuse, they will be its next victims. Another reason is that most Palestinians in Gaza are too busy struggling to survive from day to day to concern themselves with Hamas. They have enough problems already.

I can guarantee you that if Hamas is ever eliminated in Gaza, the Palestinians will be celebrating in the streets.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I do! God has zero to do with unbelievers in that land today. He will only bring them back after they accept Jesus.

What do you mean 'bring them back'? He already has.....they are there now.
So you don't believe God already knows how everything turns out?.....or that God always keeps His promises? The land is theirs and has been for over 3000 years and always will be.

 

[truthpls]

What do you mean 'bring them back'? He already has.....they are there now.
So you don't believe God already knows how everything turns out?.....or that God always keeps His promises? The land is theirs and has been for over 3000 years and always will be.

No. He only brings them back to that land after they are saved in the end. Now they are unbelievers who traveled to that land. God kicked them out before such as in the captivity. There are conditions.

 

[civilwarbuff]

For one, Palestinians in Gaza live in an environment where turning against Hamas could pose significant risks to their lives, livelihoods, and families.

And how many times has that already happened because of something really stupid Hamas does and the palestinians pay the price? So how is standing up to them going to be different? And you believe that if the palestinians asked other countries for help in eradicating Hamas with their assistance those countries would refuse?

They allow Hamas to operate in Gaza mostly because they are afraid that if they refuse, they will be its next victims.

And by saying and doing nothing they what?......thriving and living in peace and harmony?

Another reason is that most Palestinians in Gaza are too busy struggling to survive from day to day to concern themselves with Hamas.

If they didn't have Hamas they wouldn't be struggling to survive since they wouldn't have Hamas stealing large portions of the aid they are sent.

Just my opinions.....

 

[civilwarbuff]

No. He only brings them back to that land after they are saved in the end. Now they are unbelievers who traveled to that land. God kicked them out before such as in the captivity.

Huh?......Do you learn this in your church?......or is this your own ideas?

 

[truthpls]

Huh?......Do you learn this in your church?......or is this your own ideas?

One way to find out. Make a quick case supporting your notion that God already brought them back!

 

[civilwarbuff]

One way to find out. Make a quick case supporting your notion that God already brought them back!

Uhhhh, lemme think......because they were dispersed throughout the world for 2000 years (for rejecting the Messiah (Christianity's perspective)) and now they are back in their original homeland to complete God's plan? Yeah, that sounds about right.......

 

[truthpls]

Uhhhh, lemme think......because they were dispersed throughout the world for 2000 years (for rejecting the Messiah (Christianity's perspective)) and now they are back in their original homeland to complete God's plan? Yeah, that sounds about right.......

If you flew to Jerusalem does that mean you are brought there by God?

 

[civilwarbuff]

If you flew to Jerusalem does that mean you are brought there by God?

The mode of transportation is entirely unimportant. The conditions for the re-emergence of Israel are beyond our ability to reproduce. There seemed to be an urge for Jews world wide, beginning sometime in the late 1800's IIRC to return to their homeland. Following WWII that urge seemed to take on an urgency and was assisted by people and government throughout the world. If you are OK with believing that God had nothing to do with that, be my guest. I believe otherwise.

 

[truthpls]

The mode of transportation is entirely unimportant. The conditions for the re-emergence of Israel are beyond our ability to reproduce.

Says who?

There seemed to be an urge for Jews world wide, beginning sometime in the late 1800's IIRC to return to their homeland.

Urges does not mean God did it

Following WWII that urge seemed to take on an urgency and was assisted by people and government throughout the world.

Powerful lobbies or minorities can get some things done.

If you are OK with believing that God had nothing to do with that, be my guest. I believe otherwise.

It matters not what we believe. What matters is what Scripture says. From all I have seen so far, it says He will be their God and restore and protect them after they believe. Not before. Of course He knew they would be there, but that has nothing to do with Him bringing them there. We cannot blame any of the thefts and killing of civilians we see on God.

 

[civilwarbuff]

it says He will be their God and restore and protect them after they believe. Not before.

Book, chapter and verse(s) please.

Says who?

Urges does not mean God did it

Powerful lobbies or minorities can get some things done.

It matters not what we believe. What matters is what Scripture says. From all I have seen so far, it says He will be their God and restore and protect them after they believe. Not before. Of course He knew they would be there, but that has nothing to do with Him bringing them there. We cannot blame any of the thefts and killing of civilians we see on God.

So you credit man with all these things? No room for God, huh?

Of course He knew they would be there, but that has nothing to do with Him bringing them there.

That sounds like a Deist philosophy.

 

[truthpls]

Book, chapter and verse(s) please.


So you credit man with all these things? No room for God, huh?

That sounds like a Deist philosophy.

If God predicted it we could find it in the bible.

Ezekiel 39:21
"And I will set My glory among the nations; and all the nations will see My judgment which I have executed and My hand which I have laid on them.

Ezekiel 39:22
And the house of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God from that day onward.


Ezekiel 39:23
The nations will know that the house of Israel went into exile for their iniquity because they acted treacherously against Me, and I hid My face from them; so I gave them into the hand of their adversaries, and all of them fell by the sword.


Ezekiel 39:24
According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions I dealt with them, and I hid My face from them."'"


Ezekiel 39:25
Therefore thus says the Lord God , "Now I will restore the fortunes of Jacob and have mercy on the whole house of Israel; and I will be jealous for My holy name.


Ezekiel 39:26
They will forget their disgrace and all their treachery which they perpetrated against Me, when they live securely on their own land with no one to make them afraid.


Ezekiel 39:27
When I bring them back from the peoples and gather them from the lands of their enemies, then I shall be sanctified through them in the sight of the many nations.


Ezekiel 39:28
Then they will know that I am the Lord their God because I made them go into exile among the nations, and then gathered them again to their own land; and I will leave none of them there any longer.


Ezekiel 39:29
I will not hide My face from them any longer, for I will have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel," declares the Lord God .

Israel today are unbelievers. They do not have His Spirit or etc etc. That is future.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The road from the top part of Gaza to the tip saw only 1 bomb? Proof? When convoys are attacked with many killed while fleeing how was that safe? I would think there is no excuse for such terrorist 'warnings'

That's the old fog of war...happens in every conflict. The occasional innocent civilians die in a war zone. It happens. Even friendly fire between allies happens occasionally. Nobody is perfect.

The difference between Israelis accidentally hitting the wrong target and killing some fleeing Palestinians....

And Palestinians literally paragliding into an outdoor concert/music festival to intentionally kill civilians is huge.


The Palestinians deserve everything coming to them after what they did.

 

[civilwarbuff]

If God predicted it we could find it in the bible.

Ezekiel 39:21
"And I will set My glory among the nations; and all the nations will see My judgment which I have executed and My hand which I have laid on them.

Ezekiel 39:22
And the house of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God from that day onward.


Ezekiel 39:23
The nations will know that the house of Israel went into exile for their iniquity because they acted treacherously against Me, and I hid My face from them; so I gave them into the hand of their adversaries, and all of them fell by the sword.


Ezekiel 39:24
According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions I dealt with them, and I hid My face from them."'"


Ezekiel 39:25
Therefore thus says the Lord God , "Now I will restore the fortunes of Jacob and have mercy on the whole house of Israel; and I will be jealous for My holy name.


Ezekiel 39:26
They will forget their disgrace and all their treachery which they perpetrated against Me, when they live securely on their own land with no one to make them afraid.


Ezekiel 39:27
When I bring them back from the peoples and gather them from the lands of their enemies, then I shall be sanctified through them in the sight of the many nations.


Ezekiel 39:28
Then they will know that I am the Lord their God because I made them go into exile among the nations, and then gathered them again to their own land; and I will leave none of them there any longer.


Ezekiel 39:29
I will not hide My face from them any longer, for I will have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel," declares the Lord God .

Israel today are unbelievers. They do not have His Spirit or etc etc. That is future.

You do realize that Ezekiel wrote that because of the Babylonian Captivity and not the Roman expulsion of Jews in the latter part of the 1st century? Cyrus the Great gave the Jews permission to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the temple and the city after the fall of Babylon.

If God predicted it we could find it in the bible.

So I guess God didn't know anything about N. & S. America since we can't find a reference to that in the Bible. I guess we don't really exist then.

 

[Robban]

Theodor Herzl,
Texts concerning Zionism,
"The Jewish state"
by Theodor Herzl (1896)

From Jewish virtual libary.
A long,long piece to read, small print too.

I have not read it other than a little here and there,
but I already knew roughly who Herzl was.

At the bottom of the piece it says;


Sources:
Translated from the German by Sylvia D'Avigdor,


this edition published 1946 by the American Zionist emergency council.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Because they know that if they allow Palestinian refugees to enter their countries,

That's what a refugee is.

It's a remarkable hypocrisy on the left to watch this discussion play out.

Left- Palestinians live in an open air apartheid holocaustic prison! The conditions are horrific!

Right- Why doesn't Egypt or Lebanon or literally any other Arab nation take them in as refugees?

Left- Because then the Palestinians wouldn't be able to return to the land they've lost to the Israelis and all the fighting would end!

Right- So are you upset about the conditions Palestinians live in? Or are you upset that they've lost a fight they refuse to abandon decades ago?

Left- We're upset about the open air prison! And the only solution we'll accept is the destruction of Israel!

Why does the left insist that the US is "xenophobic" and "inhumane" if we don't allow asylum seekers into the country...and never deport them...when all they're fleeing is poverty, and no one in the middle east is immoral for permanently rejecting Palestinian refugees and forcing them to live in horrendous conditions that the left believes are crimes against humanity?

Also....what exactly is the left's stance on the respect of international borders exactly? When talking about the US southern border its basically an "imaginary line" that shouldn't even be considered criminal to cross....yet when it's an Israeli settlement, either bought by Israeli developers or annexed for usage due to conflicting claims of ownership....suddenly the border is this sacred thing that crossing is tantamount to a crime against humanity?

Also...what is the left's position on antisemitism? Seriously. I recall some goofy white guys with tiki torches marching around chanting "jews will not replace us" the left lost its mind and even though literally every Republican elected to Congress and the president condemned the protest...we now have nationwide support from liberals for antisemitic terrorists.

Thousands of pro-Palestinian demonstrators march from Wall Street

Anti-Israel activists burned Stars and Stripes outside City Hall in New York City- after thousands of demonstrators marched from Wall Street and accused Biden of 'genocide'.

www.google.com

People holding images of a star of David in a trash can, chanting "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"....a literal terrorist slogan.

You are being redirected...

That's not a dog whistle...that's a literal call for the destruction of Israel, from the left.

Where's those Antifa counter protesters who hate antisemitism and nazis? We've got liberal protesters chanting for a new Holocaust.

Israel will not allow them to return in the future, thus making them accomplices in the ethnic clensing of the Palestinians from their land.

You mean the land Israel gave back to them after the six day war? Or all of Israel?

You can't support peace and the state of Palestine. Palestine doesn't want peace.

 

[truthpls]

That's the old fog of war...happens in every conflict. The occasional innocent civilians die in a war zone. It happens. Even friendly fire between allies happens occasionally. Nobody is perfect.

Occasional?

The difference between Israelis accidentally hitting the wrong target and killing some fleeing Palestinians....

And Palestinians literally paragliding into an outdoor concert/music festival to intentionally kill civilians is huge.

Targeting an apartment is purposeful, regardless of supposed warnings.

The Palestinians deserve everything coming to them after what they did.

I disagree. I think the terrorists deserve sever justice. But now Israel is the terrorist as well.

 

[Valletta]

I disagree. I think the terrorists deserve sever justice. But now Israel is the terrorist as well.

Because you say so, because Israel is going after the real terrorists.

 

[truthpls]

You do realize that Ezekiel wrote that because of the Babylonian Captivity and not the Roman expulsion of Jews in the latter part of the 1st century? Cyrus the Great gave the Jews permission to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the temple and the city after the fall of Babylon.

It actually is about the end time. Nothing else could possibly fit.

So I guess God didn't know anything about N. & S. America since we can't find a reference to that in the Bible. I guess we don't really exist then.

God knows all. That doesn't mean He asked people to burn native villages or to bomb babies in Gaza. Nor does it mean He will bring Israel back until they are saved