Hamas-Israel News Thread

[Landon Caeli]

Has all bombing stopped all the way to that tip? Would you take your kids walking through that place?

I'd risk dying along the way, but I would have died trying to do the right thing.

Just roll the dice and GO! Avoid crowded areas as much as possible, and hurry all the time.

*self-preservation*

 

[truthpls]

Hey that's shame....why don't they spend the millions upon millions of dollars in aid they receive on a "robust civil defense infrastructure" instead of spending it upon thousands of rockets and explosives and new tunnels to smuggle these weapons into Palestine?

Perhaps if they were not held behind barbed wire in poverty fanatics would not thrive there? How about if you can't kill just the criminals then stay home?

 

[truthpls]

I'd risk dying along the way, but I would have died trying to do the right thing.

Just roll the dice and GO!

Taking a child out in non stop bombing into rubble filled streets with no water or food would be considered reason to take your kids from you in many countries.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Taking a child out in non stop bombing into rubble filled streets with no water or food would be considered reason to take your kids from you in many countries.

To flea a war zone..? No.

That's called being a good parent. And I would have done it immediately. And we would have survived and gotten to the aid/ supplies ASAP.

 

[truthpls]

To flea a war zone..? No.

That's called being a good parent.

Not when previous convoys fleeing were attacked. Not when there is constant bombing day and night going on. Not when people never got that phone call or warning. Etc

 

[Landon Caeli]

Not when previous convoys fleeing were attacked. Not when there is constant bombing day and night going on. Not when people never got that phone call or warning. Etc

Only 1 bomb hit that main road. So the pathway was generally always safe. No excuses are valid. The odds for survival were high. Everyone knew what to do.

 

[Valletta]

Evacuate to where? Should or will Israel let them there, where some of their families used to have lands? Can they fly out of take a cruise ship or ferry? Will Israel promise to not bomb anymore while they flee? Or would they face the fate of those attacked before in fleeing convoys? I suggest the so called warnings were little more than terrorism, and perhaps some thin attempt to avoid the backlash that comes with mass murder.

Try to remember that not all of us think we must support one terrorist over the other.

Israel has dropped maps all over Gaza showing where the civilians can go to receive humanitarian aid. How many there are that reject jihadists we do not know, for now they know where to go. Neither the United Nations or the neighboring Muslim countries so far have offered support to protect the fleeing Gaza civilians from Hamas, and that is a concern.

 

[trophy33]

Only 1 bomb hit that main road. So the pathway was always safe. No excuses are valid.

Its easy to repeat information you got from some mainstream source, while sitting at home in a safe country and being on a stable internet.

Is it really truth, though? And can common parents with children know what is going on, if communication signals are being blocked? The confusion and stress must be enormous.

 

[truthpls]

Only 1 bomb hit that main road. So the pathway was generally always safe. No excuses are valid. The odds for survival were high. Everyone knew what to do.

The road from the top part of Gaza to the tip saw only 1 bomb? Proof? When convoys are attacked with many killed while fleeing how was that safe? I would think there is no excuse for such terrorist 'warnings'

 

[Landon Caeli]

Its easy to repeat information you got from some mainstream source, while sitting at home in a safe country and being on a stable internet.

Is it really truth, though? And can common parents with children know what is going on, if communication signals are being blocked?

Excuses, excuses, excuses... Replace that with self-preservation impulses, and choose life.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It has one and half hour.

Just give me the timestamp for the part that explains which race Israel discriminates against?

I had also no idea how bad the situation is there. Its not something mainstream will show us.

I do. I'm well acquainted with the situation.

I don't pretend to take stances on topics I don't know anything about.

Palestine is thoroughly anti-semitic. They don't believe in equal rights for women. They don't believe gay people should be allowed to live freely....but this is largely a non-issue in Palestine because gay people are so oppressed, many Palestinians have no idea what a "homosexual" is. It frequently has to be explained to them (since they've never known an openly gay person) before they can express their bigotry towards gays.

Here is a list though...showing examples of what does happen to gay people who are outed in Palestine. Fortunately, it shouldn't take you an hour and a half to read.

Palestine | Human Dignity Trust

Palestine criminalises same-sex sexual activity between men. Sentences include a maximum penalty of ten years’ imprisonment.

www.humandignitytrust.org

They idea that a group of people so hateful and bigoted as Palestinians calling anyone else (especially Israel, which has a better record on human rights than basically every other middle east nation) guilty of "apartheid" is either a joke, propaganda, or a result of astonishing ignorance.

 

[truthpls]

Israel has dropped maps all over Gaza showing where the civilians can go to receive humanitarian aid. How many there are that reject jihadists we do not know, for now they know where to go. Neither the United Nations or the neighboring Muslim countries so far have offered support to protect the fleeing Gaza civilians from Hamas, and that is a concern.

I do not believe anything Israel says. The convoys who did and fled were attacked. How would sane people there trust propaganda dropped by Israel?

 

[trophy33]

Excuses, excuses, excuses... Replace that with self-preservation impulses, and choose life.

Excuses? Is it really so hard for you to realize that the situation in wars is chaotic and many lies are told?

Truth is the first victim of wars.

 

[Landon Caeli]

The road from the top part of Gaza to the tip saw only 1 bomb? Proof? When convoys are attacked with many killed while fleeing how was that safe? I would think there is no excuse for such terrorist 'warnings'

Only 1 bomb went off on the road being used to travel south. It was a safe path.

 

[Landon Caeli]

We're getting nowhere. I quit this conversation.

 

[trophy33]

Just give me the timestamp for the part that explains which race Israel discriminates against?

Its a documentary, it needs context, not a timestamp. If you are interested in your original question "what oppression", watch it, when you will have time. If you want to just argue, let us let it be.

 

[truthpls]

Only 1 bomb went off on the road being used to travel south. It was a safe path.

Did this come to you in a dream? Or have you a source?

"
there have been reports by the Financial Times and others of at least one designated safe route out of northern Gaza being subject to an airstrike resulting in as many as 70 deaths. Hamas blames Israel for the attack—a charge that the IDF denies. (The FT report says that “analysis of the video footage rules out most explanations aside from an Israeli strike.”)

“What’s being done doesn’t meet the legal standards for what an evacuation should entail,” Shaina Low, a communications adviser at the Norwegian Refugee Council, tells TIME from the NEC’s office in East Jerusalem. “It should be orderly; there should be safety.” Indeed, while Israel may order an evacuation for imperative military reasons or to protect civilians, international law requires that it provides those being displaced with adequate shelter, hygiene, health, safety, and nutrition."

For Gazans, There Are No Safe Havens

The mass relocation of Palestinians amid regular airstrikes across Gaza has left millions worried about their safety.

time.com

 

[Ana the Ist]

Perhaps if they were not held behind barbed wire in poverty fanatics would not thrive there?

Again...the barbed wire hasn't prevented them from acquiring military hardware....it's just all offensive instead of defensive.

As for "barbed wire making them fanatics"....obviously you're aware that Palestinians were buying explosives to murder innocent Israeli citizens long before any barbed wire was put up. Your theory was good for a laugh but Palestinians were murderous, bigoted, anti-semitic fanatics before their imports were restricted so you're just wrong.

They choose to attempt to murder innocent Israelis over feeding their own people hundreds of times a year. I have sympathy for such a hateful bigoted people. They were given an option to have a free and peaceful state many times....they've consistently rejected it.

How about if you can't kill just the criminals then stay home?

Israel has an obligation to defend its people. They also have a democracy and politicians who sit and do nothing while their people are ruthlessly murdered don't get elected.

Why don't you think the Palestinians should stay home if they cannot target the "criminals"? Why do you hold one standard for the jews and another for Muslims?

 

[BPPLEE]

Terrorist groups aren't invincible; hundreds have been defeated or have come to an end since 1970, just not by military force in nearly every case. Hamas can also be defeated, but not militarily. Unfortunately, Israel chose to take a path of revenge, showing little discrimination between Gazans and the terrorists rather than specifically targeting the terrorist responsible for the October 7th attack, targeting Hamas leaders, and protecting innocent civilians in the process. Israel's indiscriminate military response in Gaza so far has been a catastrophic failure and is going to have the opposite result of what they intended.

The terrorists use civilians as human shields. It’s their fault and the rules of war put the blame on them.

 

[BPPLEE]

The oppression of common Palestinian people, men, women, children, every day, by the state of Israel.

You can kill specific fighters, but without uprooting the decades continuing abuse, which causes hatred, they will still have some new members. Every man Israeli soldiers beat, slap across the face in checkpoints, every family that is moved out of their house at gunpoint, because Jews want more land, is a potential next Hamas.

They’ve been taught since they were children that they’ll go to paradise if they die trying to kill a Jew. I doubt what’s happening makes them any worse. It just reinforces their hatred.