Hamas-Israel News Thread

[trophy33]

Was the US a monster when we shut down all the airports, etc. after 9/11 to keep the murderers from escaping the country?

This is not similar in almost anything.

Do you think that Israel should provide food, medicine, gasoline, etc. to Hamas or allow them to get it from someone else?

I think both sides must immediately cease illegal activities against international law. And the world and Christians must be neutral and judge equally without personal bias.

Regarding a long term solution, I do not know. Maybe two state solution according to the 1948 UN plan. But I am too small and insignificant for such complex issue.

 

[Valletta]

“In Gaza, we don’t have anything…you have nowhere to go, no bomb shelters, no refuge, you are in the street,” Baroud said. “If you’re lucky enough to even get an alert to tell you to get out of the house, you leave saying, ‘Thank God.’”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/gaza-airstrikes-warnings-invs/index.html

Fleeing convoys obeying warning have been attacked. Humanitarian aid was choked off for the convoys of trucks at the crossing in Egypt. Your rosy idea of all people knowing is not true apparently

According to CNN there are problems with people stealing. I think the United Nations needs a stronger presence to keep order and to protect the civilians who go south from Hamas:

One of the warehouses in the city of Deir al Balah, in central Gaza, stores supplies from humanitarian convoys coming from Egypt, the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) said in a statement.
The United Nations World Food Program (WFP) also acknowledged that some of its aid supplies were looted, warning of “growing hunger.”

UN warns ‘civil order’ declining in Gaza as thousands take basics from warehouses

The main United Nations agency in Gaza warned Sunday there are signs “civil order is starting to break down” after “thousands” of people broke into its warehouses and distribution centers in central and southern parts of the enclave, “taking wheat, flour and other basic survival items.”

www.yahoo.com

 

[Hank77]

You can't separate the relatively few terrorists in Gaza from the population. So yes they need food and medicine and water and power!

They were told to go to the southern border with Egypt. They need to do that if they want provisions and a safer place for their children.

Why don't they have bomb shelters with provisions for their children?

 

[truthpls]

There are problems with people stealing:.

One of the warehouses in the city of Deir al Balah, in central Gaza, stores supplies from humanitarian convoys coming from Egypt, the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) said in a statement.

The United Nations World Food Program (WFP) also acknowledged that some of its aid supplies were looted, warning of “growing hunger.”

UN warns ‘civil order’ declining in Gaza as thousands take basics from warehouses

The main United Nations agency in Gaza warned Sunday there are signs “civil order is starting to break down” after “thousands” of people broke into its warehouses and distribution centers in central and southern parts of the enclave, “taking wheat, flour and other basic survival items.”

www.yahoo.com

OK, when a huge population is dying of thirst and hunger and relatives have no medical supplies, it doesn't seem unusual that people fight for the little there may be. In Louisiana after a hurricane years ago, I seem to recall that within 4 hours people were already looting and picking rape victims etc.

 

[truthpls]

They were told to go to the southern border with Egypt. They need to do that if they want provisions and a safer place for their children.

Why don't they have bomb shelters with provisions for their children?

The one that was bombed by Israel? How many times? We already saw news articles that said warnings were not always gotten. There also was massive blackouts lately, remember? The convoys attacked..etc.

 

[Hank77]

This is not similar in almost anything.

It is similar in one thing, enemy attacks, do you let them get away?

I think both sides must immediately cease illegal activities against international law. And the world and Christians must be neutral and judge equally without personal bias.

That would be lovely, even ideal, someone needs to inform Hamas and others of the Arab nations to work that out. But that isn't the jihadist interpretation of Isalm. Killing every last Jewish person and westerners too is their goal. In fact, every single person who will not worship their interpretation of Allah.

 

[trophy33]

Why don't they have bomb shelters with provisions for their children?

Do you have any idea what are the living conditions in there? They do not even have houses or water in many places. Bomb shelters...

 

[Hank77]

The one that was bombed by Israel? How many times? We already saw news articles that said warnings were not always gotten. There also was massive blackouts lately, remember? The convoys attacked..etc.

None of that answers the question I asked.

 

[trophy33]

It is similar in one thing, enemy attacks, do you let them get away?

Yes, if the other option is massive killing of innocent people.

That would be lovely, even ideal, someone needs to inform Hamas and others of the Arab nations to work that out. But that isn't the jihadist interpretation of Isalm. Killing every last Jewish person and westerners too is their goal. In fact, every single person who will not worship their interpretation of Allah.

This is a very black and white interpretation of things. Its much more complex than that.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Fleeing convoys obeying warning have been attacked. Humanitarian aid was choked off for the convoys of trucks at the crossing in Egypt. Your rosy idea of all people knowing is not true apparently

The problem once again is that you can't separate children from evil terrorists. Until you can, I suggest you cease anandesist

I can appreciate your love for your neighbor. That is truly a just and righteous position.

But if we truly love our neighbor, we have to also be willing ro root out the evils of Jihadist terrorism, and protect innocent life.

Of course you agree that murder is never the correct response to land grabs... Right..? Surely you know that it is evil and must be stopped at all costs.

 

[Valletta]

The one that was bombed by Israel? How many times? We already saw news articles that said warnings were not always gotten. There also was massive blackouts lately, remember? The convoys attacked..etc.

Other countries should be helping to eliminate the Hamas terrorists. The quicker this can be done the more lives will be saved. Israel is making a great effort to avoid civilian casualties, do not fall for propaganda. Hamas is afraid and such falsehoods from them should be expected.

 

[trophy33]

Israel is making a great effort to avoid civilian casualties, do not fall for propaganda.

There is still some strange idea spread among some Christians that Israel must be right just because it is Israel.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Yes, if the other option is massive killing of innocent people.

How can you say they are "innocent" when they are preventing justice from being served..?

In reality, when people protect criminals, they are also guilty of crimes. I'm not calling for their death but I am not calling them innocent either.

 

[trophy33]

How can you say they are innocent when they are preventing justice from being served..?

And by preventing you simply mean existing? Are you hearing yourself?

 

[Valletta]

Do you have any idea what are the living conditions in there? They do not even have houses or water in many places. Bomb shelters...

Do you have any concept of the butchery that took place, killing babies in front of their parents, the torture, the rape? I would bet that many of the civilians who celebrated the butchery or who did not take action against the savagery are now having second thoughts about their actions or lack thereof as times get tougher.

 

[trophy33]

Do you have any concept of the butchery that took place, killing babies in front of their parents, the torture, the rape?

Both sides do these atrocities, its not one-sided.

 

[Landon Caeli]

And by preventing you simply mean existing? Are you hearing yourself?

Yes, I hear myself. I also know I never said that.

If someone's complacent with their neighbor murdering and raping someone in front of them, and they carry on as if nothing happened, they are NOT innocent people... They are in sin as well.

Therefore the Palestinians should NOT be considered innocent, when they refrain from exposing the murderers among them.

 

[trophy33]

Yes, I hear myself. I also know I never said that.

If someone's complacent with their neighbor murdering and raping someone in front of them, and they carry on as if nothing happened, they are NOT innocent people... They are in sin as well.

Therefore the Palestinians should NOT be considered innocent, when they refrain from exposing the murderers among them.

Carry on with their life, living in homes, getting food and water, going to hospitals... therefore they are not innocent, therefore kill them en masse? Are you hearing yourself? This is Christian forum, for goodness sake.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Carry on with their life, living in homes, getting food and water, going to hospitals... therefore they are not innocent, therefore kill them en masse? Are you hearing yourself? This is Christian forum, for goodness sake.

I already stated that I'm not necessarily claiming they deserve to die (post 1022)... I'm only correcting your description of them being "innocent" as flawed, and incorrect.

 

[trophy33]

I already stated that I'm not necessarily claiming they deserve to die (post 1022)... I'm only correcting your description of them being "innocent" as flawed, and incorrect.

They are innocent, if they did not do it. What is so hard for you about this simple concept to grasp it? You know what, simply forget that its Israel and place for example Iraq or Egypt or Syria instead, there. Or Russia or any country you do not like.

Your emotional bias will hopefully go away and you will see the error in your views.