Hamas-Israel News Thread

[truthpls]

Make no mistake. These "innocent people" are likely to be armed and ready to shoot.

How will the media portray it?

Says you. I doubt the toddlers have guns

 

[truthpls]

Probably they are. What makes you think their Christian affiliation makes them any less supportive of Hamas?

Seriously? Have you read what Jesus asked us to do? Nothing like the terrorism of unbelieving Israel on Gaza.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Seriously? Have you read what Jesus asked us to do? Nothing like the terrorism of unbelieving Israel on Gaza.

When someone kidnaps your child, and murders your family, do you ask for justice to be served, by finding the criminal and capturing him? Or do you tell the police to never mind it, and let it go?

What would Jesus expect you to do in that situation? Please let me know. And explain why Israel should be denied that same justice.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Terrorist groups aren't invincible; hundreds have been defeated or have come to an end since 1970, just not by military force in nearly every case.

Sure. I gave you two examples off the top of my head. You can disagree that the LRA was defeated militarily but there's a reality that says otherwise. You can claim that the Shining Path is still a serious threat in Peru but I doubt Peru agrees. The captured leader of the Shining Path openly disagrees...and they've wanted to call it quits for at least a decade.

Surely you're aware the US military helped the Ugandan military chase Kony out of Uganda. Surely you're aware that the US military trained the locals in the region he fled to and armed them up. It's been all downhill from there.

That's a military victory.

Hamas can also be defeated, but not militarily.

Why not?

That's a fun belief...but it's entirely baseless.

What makes Hamas impervious to military power?

 

[truthpls]

When someone kidnaps your child, and murders your family, do you ask for justice to be served, by finding the criminal and capturing him? Or do you tell the police to never mind it, and let it go?

Let's ask Gazans! They had children killed by Israel, families murdered, and people held in prisons. They also were penned in by barbed wire with a bombed out airport, the sea controlled, and no real way out. But we all condemn Hamas for taking out their problems by killing civilians. That made or confirmed them as evil terrorists. The same is true for Israel who is killing families by the apartment full. So what we have is terrorism on both sides. If the actual criminals were killed that would be another story. God is not on Israel's side today.

What would Jesus expect you to do in that situation? Please let me know.

I would expect civilized behavior. Not crimes against humanity in bombing residence after residence, and unbelievable cruelty in denying people basic needs like water. So the question arises, what else could Israel do? I don't know, but I would think that they need to share the land with all who they took it from and make reparations. Possibly even leave entirely in some cases. That would beat mass murder from a Christian perspective.

 

[trophy33]

What makes Hamas impervious to military power?

The oppression of common Palestinian people, men, women, children, every day, by the state of Israel.

You can kill specific fighters, but without uprooting the decades continuing abuse, which causes hatred, they will still have some new members. Every man Israeli soldiers beat, slap across the face in checkpoints, every family that is moved out of their house at gunpoint, because Jews want more land, is a potential next Hamas.

 

[Landon Caeli]

How about letting them flee to Israel and restoring lands as needed etc? How about taking down the barbed wire? telling a million people to leave their homes when fleeing convoys were already attacked doing that and while the bombs are destroying apartment after apartment with people in them is terrorism.

Terrorism is not right. Mass murdering families is not of God. It is evil. If Israel cannot get at the Hamas terrorists without collective punishment and terrorism of a heavily populated area, then I say they can make a new plan, Sam.

...Israel isn't trying to kill innocent people... They just keep getting in the way.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

I can show you pictures of hundreds of middle-aged men, standing around casually in Northern Gaza, when they should be going around door to door, with donkeys and carriages, evacuating people, moving them south.

...Instead, they choose to stay... In waiting... I guess they stand with Hamas as fighters then. Perhaps all who remain do so as fighters.

Plenty of Palestinians who hate Hamas are going to be fighting against the IDF when they come in. That’s the difficulty you face in that sort of war - you never know who the enemy is until they attack. That’s the same problem we faced in Iraq.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Let's ask Gazans! They had children killed by Israel, families murdered, and people held in prisons. They also were penned in by barbed wire with a bombed out airport, the sea controlled, and no real way out. But we all condemn Hamas for taking out their problems by killing civilians. That made or confirmed them as evil terrorists. The same is true for Israel who is killing families by the apartment full. So what we have is terrorism on both sides. If the actual criminals were killed that would be another story. God is not on Israel's side today.

I would expect civilized behavior. Not crimes against humanity in bombing residence after residence, and unbelievable cruelty in denying people basic needs like water. So the question arises, what else could Israel do? I don't know, but I would think that they need to share the land with all who they took it from and make reparations. Possibly even leave entirely in some cases. That would beat mass murder from a Christian perspective.

I don't see it that way. Hamas should surrender. And the people should keep away from them.... Or they risk their lives.

They know who's Hamas and who isn't.

 

[truthpls]

...Israel isn't trying to kill innocent people... They just keep getting in the way.

When you cut them off from water, and blow up apartment after apartment building in a heavily populated area that is killing innocent people. To claim that the babies and mothers and children just get in the way of no stop bombs is sick.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The oppression of common Palestinian people, men, women, children, every day, by the state of Israel.

Can you be a little more specific? What oppression and how does it protect Hamas?

You can kill specific fighters, but without uprooting the decades continuing abuse,

I'm not aware of any process that changes history....so whatever you're talking about sounds impossible.

which causes hatred, they will still have some new members.

Well if all Palestinians were removed from the area....then I guess that would be one way the military could "uproot" the problem.

Every man Israeli soldiers beat, slap across the face in checkpoints, every family that is moved out of their house at gunpoint, because Jews want more land, is a potential next Hamas.

Until the Israelis have all the land...and then Hamas is effectively destroyed. Make a good enough example of Hamas in Palestine and no one will want to harbor a new Hamas in their nation.

Most nations won't accept Palestinians as it stands now. Just ship out the ones that remain and Israel has itself a military victory.

Taaa-daaaa!

 

[truthpls]

I don't see it that way. Hamas should surrender. And the people should keep away from them.

How would you know who they kept away from? You could just say the people were actually terrorists pretending to keep away etc. Words are cheap. The actions of mass murdering a population speak louder than words.

 

[Ana the Ist]

When you cut them off from water, and blow up apartment after apartment building in a heavily populated area that is killing innocent people. To claim that the babies and mothers and children just get in the way of no stop bombs is sick.

Any buildings where suspected innocent civilians occupy are warned to evacuate before a bombing. This is a well established, well documented tactic of the IDF.

If you're innocent, you're given a chance to flee. If you stay...you can't blame people for thinking you've sided with Hamas.

 

[trophy33]

Can you be a little more specific? What oppression and how does it protect Hamas?

Its mostly about West Bank, but I do not think the situation in Gaza is better.

Until the Israelis have all the land...and then Hamas is effectively destroyed.

This sounds like Putin's strategy for Ukraine/Europe. Instead of Hamas, fill in "fascists".

 

[Landon Caeli]

When you cut them off from water, and blow up apartment after apartment building in a heavily populated area that is killing innocent people. To claim that the babies and mothers and children just get in the way of no stop bombs is sick.

I know what I would do. I have self-preservation instincts.

...I would be at the Southernmost tip in full cooperation. I wouldn't have "excuses".

 

[truthpls]

Any buildings where suspected innocent civilians occupy are warned to evacuate before a bombing. This is a well established, well documented tactic of the IDF.

If you're innocent, you're given a chance to flee. If you stay...you can't blame people for thinking you've sided with Hamas.

"This is the reality for Palestinians living in Gaza without the protection of a robust civil defense infrastructure. With no air raid sirens or bomb shelters, the more than 2 million Palestinians living in the besieged territory – half of whom are children – rely on rare phone calls or text messages from the Israeli military to alert them of imminent strikes."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/gaza-airstrikes-warnings-invs/index.html

In many articles there is no warning received. You expect a million people to run between bombs with their family? The so called warnings are not any excuse for the gruesome mass murder.

 

[truthpls]

I know what I would do. I have self-preservation instincts.

...I would be at the Southernmost tip in full cooperation. I wouldn't have "excuses".

Has all bombing stopped all the way to that tip? Would you take your kids walking through that place?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Definition of APARTHEID

racial segregation; specifically : a former policy of segregation and political, social, and economic discrimination against the non-white majority in the Republic of South Africa; separation, segregation… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

racial segregation
specifically : a former policy of segregation and political, social, and economic discrimination against the non-white majority in the Republic of South Africa.


What race are the Israelis segregating and discriminating against? I don't want to be a stickler for facts...but I'm also not interested in any nonsense propaganda.

Unless you can tell me what race the Israelis are discriminating against...that's all claims of apartheid are...bogus propaganda.

And just to help you out...

1. "Palestinians" aren't a race.
2. Palestinians are allowed in Israel...but Israelis aren't allowed in Palestine.

If anyone is discriminating against a racial or ethnic group here...it's the Palestinians.

 

[trophy33]

Definition of APARTHEID

racial segregation; specifically : a former policy of segregation and political, social, and economic discrimination against the non-white majority in the Republic of South Africa; separation, segregation… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

racial segregation
specifically : a former policy of segregation and political, social, and economic discrimination against the non-white majority in the Republic of South Africa.


What race are the Israelis segregating and discriminating against? I don't want to be a stickler for facts...but I'm also not interested in any nonsense propaganda.

Unless you can tell me what race the Israelis are discriminating against...that's all claims of apartheid are...bogus propaganda.

And just to help you out...

1. "Palestinians" aren't a race.
2. Palestinians are allowed in Israel...but Israelis aren't allowed in Palestine.

If anyone is discriminating against a racial or ethnic group here...it's the Palestinians.

It has one and half hour. When you will have more time, watch it in full. One picture is worth a thousand words.

I also had no idea how bad the situation is there. Its not something mainstream will show us.

 

[Ana the Ist]

"This is the reality for Palestinians living in Gaza without the protection of a robust civil defense infrastructure.

Hey that's shame....why don't they spend the millions upon millions of dollars in aid they receive on a "robust civil defense infrastructure" instead of spending it upon thousands of rockets and explosives and new tunnels to smuggle these weapons into Palestine?